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Does a left-leaning network with occasional nudity, some profanity and a rather hefty dose of Bush-bashing deserve a slot on a satellite service's family-friendly programming tier?

Federal Communications Commission chairman Kevin Martin might need to bring the matter to a head next month after EchoStar Communications Corp. launches its "Dish Family" tier without the edgy fare of Free Speech TV.

Martin, the Republican chief of the nation's main regulator of video programming, just finished pushing cable- and satellite-television companies to launch packages of channels that exclude profanity, sex and violence. Many heeded his call, including EchoStar.

But here's Martin's predicament: FSTV has a carriage deal with EchoStar pursuant to FCC rules adopted in 1998 that require direct-broadcast satellite carriers to create channel space "for noncommercial programming of an educational or informational nature."

The programming covered by the FCC's rules must be offered to all satellite subscribers at no additional charge and without any editorial interference from the satellite provider. FCC rules do not address whether family tiers can exclude channels like FSTV with programming that would be deemed indecent under FCC rules that apply to local TV stations.

The FCC was required to establish the DBS set-aside program under section 25 of the Cable Consumer Projection and Competition Act of 1992.

Catering to the political left on social, political and environmental issues, 10-year-old FSTV has a primetime schedule that includes such hour-long programs as Gay USA, Dyke TV and Behind Every Terrorist -- There Is a Bush. Another show, Prison Lullabies, is about "four women struggling with drug addiction" who were "pregnant at the time of their arrest and have all given birth behind bars."

On occasion, FSTV programming includes male and female nudity and the "F-word" unbleeped.

"I would say it does occur from time to time," said general manager Jon Stout of FSTV, which is based in Boulder, Colo. Stout added that he attempts to air that kind of programming at late-night times when most kids are in bed.

When EchoStar unveiled its 40-channel family tier two weeks ago, it disclosed the names of 31 channels to be carried, leaving the rest blank. The lineup so far includes just one public-interest channel, RFD-TV, which provides farm reports, ranching programs and some religious fare for its rural-American target audience.

FSTV was excluded because "we want to offer consumers a family package, a safe haven," EchoStar general counsel and executive vice president David Moskowitz said.

To some extent, cable is facing a similar problem. Under the same 1992 Cable Act, cable systems must carry, and subscribers must purchase, local TV stations and public-access channels in the basic tier at the same time they purchase a family tier from Comcast Corp. or Time Warner Cable.

Indecent programming aired by TV stations and PEG (public, educational and government) channels is beyond the cable system's editorial control. EchoStar's exclusion of FSTV could spark a fight at the FCC.

"Yes, I would have a problem with that," said Andrew Jay Schwartzman, president of the Media Access Project, a public-interest law firm that fought at the FCC to reserve 4% of satellite channels for noncommercial channels like FSTV.

Schwartzman said his preference would be to let families decide whether to block FSTV. "This is not a complete solution, you understand," he added. "The way out of it is that DirecTV [Inc.] and Dish have much more effective parental-control devices than cable has in the first place. You can block out on a per-channel basis a lot easier than you can on cable."

DirecTV, which does not carry FSTV, is launching its own family tier in April. DirecTV has doubts that FCC rules require family-tier placement of the set-aside channels, according to someone familiar with the company's thinking who declined to be identified.

But, playing it safe, the top U.S. satellite-TV provider decided to include the set-aside channels in the family package anyway.

An FCC spokeswoman, who asked not to be identified, said that if there is a dispute over FSTV, the agency would likely need to decide whether FSTV can be excluded even though the rules state that the channel "must be available" to all satellite subscribers. EchoStar officials plan to discuss FSTV with the FCC.

"If the FCC takes the position that we are obligated to offer all of the public-interest channels even though some don't appear to be consistent with the family package, then we will have no choice but to do so," Moskowitz said. "If the FCC agrees with us that there is a reasonable basis in the law and rules to exclude certain channels from the package, that would certainly be our preference."

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6302544.html?display=Breaking+News
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K
I think all PI channels have to pay a standard rate that covers costs to carry.

There are plenty of religious right channels on dish.
andrews777
I think all PI channels have to pay a standard rate that covers costs to carry.

There are plenty of religious right channels on dish.

I think PI channels are carried "free" to meet the legal requirements of having such channels.

I don't know how many of the other channels are "religious right", but few are not full have programming similar to that on this station with a right leaning spin. Many channels have the left spin already, why the need for another PI one? Of course Dish is free to do as they wish, and we are free to complain about it. :)

I do get annoyed when people drag out the old "religious right" bogeyman. The argument is far deeper than that, but usually that is just used to scare away any dissent.

These types of issues will continue to arise as long as consumers don't have the right to have more control over their programming. I would favor eliminating the FCC and removing all broadcast "licenses", letting the market work things out. We are nowhere near that though, so these issues need to be discussed.

Brad
K
I thought I read the PI channels pay a small amount to get carried but I might be remembering wrong.

I don't know why you are complaining about a package and channel available at no charge but when I added the PI pack they also turned on TBN,EWTN, and BYUTV. Seems like enough to me to counter FSTV and probably Worldlink.

These types of issues will continue to arise as long as consumers don't have the right to have more control over their programming. I would favor eliminating the FCC and removing all broadcast "licenses", letting the market work things out. We are nowhere near that though, so these issues need to be discussed.

None of the PI channel need a license. If you had no regulations for spectrum use that the FCC implements you could forget your wireless devices working reliably.

PI channels should be truly in the public's interest, allowing some degree of balance and not reflecting the agenda and bias of the producers, carriers, etc. However, as others have pointed out, Dish (and any other carrier) is free to carry any channel that they deem suitable.

You might be thinking of the Fairness Doctrine, the FCC repealed it in 1987.
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ts7
You might be thinking of the Fairness Doctrine, the FCC repealed it in 1987.

Sorry for the confusion... I was suggesting a moral responsibility (for the good of the people), not a legal one. My issue with FSTV is in what I consider a deceptive name - FSTV is not any more "Free Speech" than Rush Limbaugh's program, yet I can't imagine any carrier providing Limbaugh (or others like him) free or nearly free air time, let alone a dedicated channel.

I just find it offensive to have someone claim to embrace "free speech", conservative or liberal, who refuses to allow any other dialog that does not support their views. To silence opposing views is censorship -- the opposite of free speech.
andrews777
A religious channel is not the same, in concept as a channel promoting liberal causes. Some religious channels share that focus. This seems to be a common misunderstanding. Religious does not equal right wing. Whether it should or not is open to debate, but it does not in practice. "Public interest channel" does generally equal liberal though....

Brad
K
Sorry for the confusion... I was suggesting a moral responsibility (for the good of the people), not a legal one. My issue with FSTV is in what I consider a deceptive name - FSTV is not any more "Free Speech" than Rush Limbaugh's program, yet I can't imagine any carrier providing Limbaugh (or others like him) free or nearly free air time, let alone a dedicated channel.

I just find it offensive to have someone claim to embrace "free speech", conservative or liberal, who refuses to allow any other dialog that does not support their views. To silence opposing views is censorship -- the opposite of free speech.

Many on the left feel the same way about Fox news and its "fair and balanced" tag. If not for that tag I don't think people would complain about it nearly as much.

I don't see any reason why Rush could not create a PI channel but why would he want to do a non-profit channel when there is a market willing to pay for his show.

You may have a point about the FSTV name, I don't watch enough of the channel to know how well they allow opposite view points on the air. I have seen them play voicemails from viewers and not all were in agreement.

A religious channel is not the same, in concept as a channel promoting liberal causes. Some religious channels share that focus. This seems to be a common misunderstanding. Religious does not equal right wing. Whether it should or not is open to debate, but it does not in practice. "Public interest channel" does generally equal liberal though....

Brad

You are right about religion but I've seen right wing politics discussed on TBN and BYU.
L
Hey, if it offends you that much, lock out the channel.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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ClarkGable
Working My Way Back To You - The Four Seasons
dishstaller
Don't Look Back - Boston
harshness
Please Come to Boston - Dave Loggins
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Bobby
Come A Little Bit Closer - Jay and the Americans
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Closer to You - Brandi Carlile
ewindowman
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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comfortably_numb

Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
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Juan
Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?
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comfortably_numb
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?

And TMO. If anybody's lagging behind the most, it's ATT.
ERSanders
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
navychop
So you have a MBA?
:devilish
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Juan
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
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dishdude
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI
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J
Last reply · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion
Hi guys, is anyone getting any quality on transponder 4135 L 30000 I'm not getting any quality few weeks now.
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Satfaca
No problem here (in central Europe) with a 10-footer. Do note that 9.4 dB required for the lock.
The mod is DVB-S2 8PSK with FEC 5/6.

4135LH.webp
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$5.299​
Premium$5.859​
Diesel$7.599​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Crude (combined pricing) is around $90/barrel now, so prices should have, at least, fallen in step with the crude futures.
dishstaller
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere. Bobby just posted $7.59/gal, locally it is $5.59.....that's two bucks difference. :eeek
harshness
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere.
California has a ~93¢ per gallon consumer tax rate on automotive diesel, along with significantly higher refinement standards.

The fact that consumers can only buy some new full-sized truck models and a couple of vans with diesel power makes the fuel an odd duck in refinery priorities.
osu1991
$3.50-$3.52 around Tulsa and $3.45 in OKC
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The Charter/Spectrum tv app has been updated to make it downloaded with more tv brands. I recently added it to my LG Oled tv.
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Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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long_time_Dish
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
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Jim5506
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
It's on Prime.
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It's on Prime.
Ah, ok, thanks!
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Foxbat
The World Series Game 1 quality was excellent, the Dolby Surround put us in the seats. Thanks, Dish!
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S
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
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jsmit86
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
Most of the 4K action on the 148-xx channels will be on Saturday for College Football. For whatever reason, the guide does not show the games until later in the week. The Fox Big Noon game will show up, and there will usually be a couple of other games, some on Fox, and some on ESPN.

I don't know if you need to be subscribed to locals to get them.
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in The Chit Chat Club
Now after reading this story I walked away thinking that this is being blown out of proportion because of the incredibly low numbers of those affected.....BUT....I've read posts by some of you who are taking this drug so I figured it was worth posting.

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KAB
KAB
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in Movie Talk
Not a bit surprised.

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