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Out of curiosity for those folks who have been dealing directly with DISH, what was your reason for not using a local retailer? In my case I wanted to deal with someone local if issues arose, and since retailers honor all DISH promotions, there didn't seem to be any financial reason either to work directly with DISH. I found a local retailer, talked to them about how everything worked, and went with them for all of my DISH services.

I have a friend that decided to move from DirecTV to DISH for the added HD content. They almost changed their minds after dealing with DISH directly, and I suggested they deal with the local retailer I used instead. Night and day experience for them, and they even wound up getting an install date 2 weeks earlier than what DISH had scheduled.

Given all number of horror stories I read about here in dealing with DISH, is there a reason to not use a local outfit?

Thanks in advance for sharing your perspectives.

Doug
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It's not whether DISH Network or a retailer is the better choice. It's dependent on the person doing the work.

Most of the time a retailer will be the better option, preferrably one that has been in business and has been installing DISH Network systems for years. They have more knowledge/experience than the general installer for DISH directly. The good retailer can have more tricks up his sleeve, and can do some custom work if needed that DNS (DISH Network installation) most of the time won't do. DNS is more of a production output operation. They have product to put out and they are pushed by the company to have a very high completion rate which means cutting a lot of corners to put jobs in FAST. They look for the easiest and fastest way to put a system in because they are in the production business.

The retailer is completely opposite. They are not pushed by completion rate and tend to take more time on a job. The latest numbers from DNS management is that 75 - 90% of trouble calls are caused by DNS depending on the issue of the trouble call. Retailers have an extremely low count of trouble calls that they generate. That's one good reason to use a "good" retailer.

With that said, there are very good senior techs in DISH Network but the odds of getting that guy aren't very high, and many of them have moved into management - some even becoming general managers of corporate offices of DNS. Some have become retailers themselves. Michael Kelly who is the head of the customer service center and DNS use to be a retailer.

The option of whether to deal with a local retailer or DISH Network directly would be like deciding whether or not to take your car to the dealership or an independent shop for repair. There are bad retailers out there also, there might not be a really good one in some areas where people would have to resort to DISH Network directly as the best option. But an experienced installer with a good long history cannot be beat whether retailer or not.
AlaJoe
I got mine directly from dish. I have a 522 DVR and a 322, 4 TVs total all leased. I recently ordered a 622 to upgrade to HD TV. When I ordered the 622 I ask if it mattered which of my current receivers I upgraded. I was told it did not matter as either way it was $299 for the upgrade and if I wanted to keep the 522 DVR I would just be paying an additional $5.98 DVR fee so I kept the 522 and had the 322 swapped out.
Because I needed an over the air antenna to get HD locals I went by a local Dish retailer to ask for recommendation. When talking with him about what I was doing he told me he was surprised I could keep the 522DVR because as a retailer dish would not allow him to put over 1 DVR on an account.
The guy I was talking to was the owner of the place and it was not a small store so I assume he knew what he was talking about. So maybe local retailers can not offer all the same deals that you can get dealing directly with dish.
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When I started woth E*, I found a local dealer and have stayed with him though my 7+ years. I have gone through many series of receivers, I now have 921 and 622 and had 7100's, 6000, 501 and 811. I have moved twice and started with just 119, upgraded to dish 500, superdish and back (due to dma's). When he told me rumors, they usually turned out to be rumors. Things he told me as fact, have been fact. When I decided to get my 622, I walked into his showroom and walked out with it. Had it installed that afternoon and had no problem with csr reguarding changeover of equipment. After reading many of the posts here, I am very happy I went with my local installer.
SimpleSimon
For things like Dish'n'it'up (eg. 622 upgrade), you're going to have a hard time getting a local retailer to handle it - at least if you don't already have a relationship with them.

The problem is that E* doesn't pay ANYWHERE near enough to make it worth our time. :(
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share
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Jimbo
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

Walmart isn't the only one ...
Juan
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price
harshness
Walmart isn't the only one ...
I've been seeing this more and more on Amazon. Sometimes it seems there is no way they could have arrived at the number.

What rankles me even more is Costco changing units of measure between similar products, so you have to convert them to compare prices.
dishstaller
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Love Every Little Thing About You - Gallery
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Where's My Thing? - Rush
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I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing - Aerosmith
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Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard
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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.
Bobby
Regular$5.839​
Premium$6.299​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?
Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.
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· posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
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Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Scott Greczkowski
Ok checked it out and for some reason the web server (NGINX) tried starting before the DNS resolver fully loaded. This is why it worked when I rebooted the machine.

Thanks to ChatGPT it had me change the NGINX config to prevent this from happening again.

With that said I can't prevent the ISP from doing emergency upgrades which was the cause of all of this.
navychop
Nature will develop better idiots.
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Nature will develop better idiots.
God help us.
Scott Greczkowski
I guess this is what the downtime was about.

IMG_0607.webp
Scott Greczkowski
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
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HD​
264​
2​
1449​
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SD mpeg4​
145​
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194​
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SD mpeg2​
433​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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1​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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RB​
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Engr Work​
38​
-2​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.
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Howard Simmons
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Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
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I don't get my hopes up for anything with Travolta these days.