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navychop
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Plenum wires/compression fittings

After I finished several renovations to my townhouse, including wiring almost every room with OTA, satellite, cable, network & phone ports, She Who Must Be Obeyed decided she wanted to move to a single family detached. After carefully explaining how we spent top dollar on new windows, new kitchen, etc, and how it doesn't really make any sense to move, I succeeded in convincing her that she was gonna win this one. :confused: :what

So now I must start all over with the wiring in a new place we are seriously considering buying. There are no open ceilings I can access, and no basement. I can get at the upper level from the attic. I figure I'll be cutting drywall to fish down to the lower level, or running wires outside the house (I HATE that, appearance wise). In the townhouse, I used plenum rated cat 5e throughout. Some cables, and some coax & phone lines, went thru ducting. I want to avoid that in the new place, but may be forced to go thru ducting.

I understand that if I go thru ducting, I am supposed to use plenum rated, but in wall I am not. Posts indicate it will be quite difficult to put connectors on plenum coax. I've always used crimp inside the house and the installer always used compression outside the house. Other posts discuss copper vs copper clad steel without seeming to show a great advantage either way. Quad or triple shielding is mentioned as the better way to go.

So how should I go about doing this the "right" way in the "new" 1977 built house? If I can, I will run 3 or 4 coax to each drop and try to centralize them all at some point, probably in the attic (2 for ViP622, 2 for 721, 1 for 508, extra to run "stereo agile" coax output to another room TBD, plus OTA). Existing cableco coax will be left in place separately. Two network and one phone will be run also. I'd like to put the network patch panel next to the cable distro point, but the attic may get too hot for a DSL modem and router.

Since I'm running the coax anyway, is it better to run separate OTA coax and avoid diplexers? I've done it both ways in the townhouse.

Are compression fittings really needed inside the home? Crimp "more than good enough?"

If I avoid the ductwork approach, is there any reason to pay double or triple to get plenum rated cables (coax, cat 6, phone)?

I'm leaning toward getting a composite cable such as this for ease of installation. It has 2 RG-6 quad shielded copper clad steel coax and 2 cat-5e (not cat 6). I'd also use this double thorax cable- 2 RG-6 quad shielded copper clad steel. Both cables claim to be swept to 3 GHz and neither are plenum rated.

Is there a channel way specifically designed for running cables outside the home for improved appearance over bare cables?

I'm having no luck in finding twist counts on phone cables- anyone recommend a high quality phone cable source?

Any other considerations or suggestions on "doing it right?"

Thank you all for any assistance you may render.
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navychop said:
Since I'm running the coax anyway, is it better to run separate OTA coax and avoid diplexers?

Are compression fittings really needed inside the home? Crimp "more than good enough?")?

I'm leaning toward getting a composite cable such as this for ease of installation.
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Yes to separate OTA over a diplexed solution. You posted this in the E* forum, but if you ever go to D*, their new AT9 dish doesn't allow for diplexers. So yes, run a separate line.

Are they needed, No. Are they the best solution, Yes. I have all compression fittings, but mainly because I had them and the tools.

It may seem easier, but its not. For new construction, maybe, but trying to fish through walls, no. It is bulky, hard to bend and pull through tight places. Your best bet is run the wires separately.

My suggestion, is to learn how to finish drywall. Before you move in, go run all your cables cutting what ever holes you need to fish the wires and patch them before move-in day. Much higher WAF.

Good luck.
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navychop said:
I understand about the twists. At one point I used Rat Shack telephone wire and had crosstalk because of inadequate twists. I found no twist counts on advertised phone cable and was hoping someone knew a good brand. Based on your comments, I guess I'll just go with the Cat 3 from Cables to Go or wherever I buy the rest of the stuff. 3 twists per foot? Or inch?
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For re-wiring my current house, I used Belden 1583A (1585A is Plenum version) for network applications and the Home Depot CAT5e for telephone and IR. You really can tell the difference between them.

Twists are per inch.
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I was wondering about the curve radius. Stiffness helps in some situations, but with limited access to bend it down a hole drilled into a 2x4 wall cap- oh well.

I've done a few dry wall patches, with acceptable results, per SWMBO. But it's far from my favorite home repair. In a couple of places, I may put up an access door. I did that near a circuit panel once. Came in handy later. You're right, whatever I do needs to be pretty much completed before move in. That'll make for a few hectic days. So far I'm estimating the installation of at least 18 network jacks, 13 coax drops, and 9 phone jacks. Probably more when we get down to it. It looks like a thousand dollar job by the time it's over.

Are you saying you got higher speeds with Belden or that it was easier to work with? Or quality of workmanship in the cable's construction?
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For a network dependant on 100% 100m speeds, two drops are required. Two drops are handy if one of the drops goes TU. It helps with service level percentage if the affected user can be fixed at the closet and by moving a wire from one drop to the other. Downtime is minimized.
For us schlubs with 384 up, one drop, a router and some switches is more than adequete. In fact, I am now using Vonage, so my computers (11) and two Vonage lines share a minimum number of cat5e. Of course, the only service level I have here is that AOL must be working for the kiddos.

I understand the coax needs. I would ask why you staying with a wired network with the cost of wireless networks? It seems that for a grand, you should be able to put in the coax and buy an access point and a few wireless adapters for your computers along with cordless phone multi-sets for your phone needs. This would get rid of a lot of speghetti. I am only using wire because at the time I built my network, wireless networks were still in the lab. We walked to school uphill, both ways...
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The 11g wireless is not dependable for video or over some distance thru walls and floor. By dependable, I am discussing speed maintained. The "pre-N" stuff looks GREAT but will no doubt be not quite standard or compliant when N comes out- meaning it will need to be replaced in the not too distant future. Plus, since I need to run the coax anyway, how much more difficult is it to run cat 5e? And I am concerned that wired is far more secure than wireless. I do online banking and other financial transactions. Not good for sharing with neighbors or others.

OTOH, I will likely put in wireless anyway, at some point, for convenience in using the wired/wireless laptop that my wife is moving to for her main machine. I can learn about securing wireless then.

But I need something up and running in about a month.

Both ways, huh? Escher High? :haha
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Repair DX100 American Electrola Radio, AM FM SW?

I have a DX100 American Electrola Radio, AM FM SW. It is a receiver only, which quit working many years ago. Several years ago the seller had stated that capacitors would need replaced because they go bad.

In this particular xxx://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zUbXgNT8Oo they mentioned the backup battery being the problem.

Several years back when asking about having the capacitors replaced one former repairman said send it back to the factory, well there is not any. Another response several years ago from a person who repaired circuit boards for industry said they could repair it if they had a schematic, again I do not have.

This radio was built in Pittsburgh, PA out of as many American parts as they could find. Your thoughts on getting the radio to work?
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I can e-mail you pdf copies of the the manuals and schematics. The tuning not working is probably the tuning encoder. I recently found one that fits my DXC-100 from Mouser Electronic Supply. I'll be glad to include the encoder part number used to repair my radio. My radio doesn't have the battery so may be a bit different than mine.
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deheza said:
I can e-mail you pdf copies of the the manuals and schematics. The tuning not working is probably the tuning encoder. I recently found one that fits my DXC-100 from Mouser Electronic Supply. I'll be glad to include the encoder part number used to repair my radio. My radio doesn't have the battery so may be a bit different than mine.
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Deheza,

Thanks for your information and offer. My Radio is actually a DXC 100 as well, was a typo in the title. Am puzzled by yours not having the battery, since they only made two runs. While the schematics would be great, I believe by the amount of views it would be better to post all the information here.

I see where numerous people have posted pdf files, just not sure how they do it.

Sorry about the long response time, just was not sure how to handle it.

Thanks,

Respectively,

Gray Hair
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If you change that diode, make sure you know what type it is, a regular rectifier, zener, whatever, don't just throw any old diode in. Try to read the number on it and look it up. Do you have a multimeter? A lot of the things in there can be easily checked with a meter.

Trying to run it off a clean 12 V source like a battery would be a good idea, like someone else suggested. In a couple of your pictures there's a 9v regulator [7809CT], and I think I saw a 5 V regulator [7805]. The 5v probably supplies the display and the 9v the radio circuitry. If you have a meter that would be a first place to check, check the three pins on each for a 12v input, a gnd, a 5v output on the 5v and a 9v output on the 9v. Bad solder connections is another good possibility.

That radio looks to be in nice shape inside. It doesn't look like anyone's worked it over, looks nice.

The back-up battery is probably just for a memory function, when you replace it make sure you use the same type, cadmium, lithium-ion, whatever it is, it should say on it what type it is and the voltage, or have a part# that can be looked up.
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I have just started working on one of these and could really use the schematics and a copy of the manual - can anybody send them to me or attach a link? I did construct a manual from "azenithnut" , but his zip file is missing pages 16,17. My radio display only briefly lights up when powered on. the tuner and audio section appears to work fine. I have already replaced the back-up battery. I have the second generation radio. TIA
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Another necropost here. I picked one of these up today. Does anyone out there have this manual (I'd take schematics too). I too found azenithnut's post with the missing pages 16 and 17.
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OZ65 said:
I have just started working on one of these and could really use the schematics and a copy of the manual - can anybody send them to me or attach a link? I did construct a manual from "azenithnut" , but his zip file is missing pages 16,17. My radio display only briefly lights up when powered on. the tuner and audio section appears to work fine. I have already replaced the back-up battery. I have the second generation radio. TIA
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Can you send the serial-number label and photos of the tuner board, that should help distinguish its circuit revision; collector records say serials marked OB were the second production run. Use a heat gun or hair dryer to find bad caps if it works for A FEW SECONDS ITS A BAD CAP, THAN ONLY HEAT HALF OF THE RADIO
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Scott Greczkowski
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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They Call the Wind Maria - Vaughn Monroe
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Maria Magenta - Donovan
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My Maria - Brooks & Dunn
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This Week in Tech 1109

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okJLytKRbDY


Direct YouTube Link - This Week in Tech 1109
TWIT's Website
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The Agentic Web & When AI Agents Escape Their Sandbox

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rwJNDSWjwDY


Direct YouTube Link - The Agentic Web & When AI Agents Escape Their Sandbox
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Updated to H715 on a Hopper 3 from H713

After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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Almighty1 said:
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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I have not been updated to 715 yet. I am on a QE "Beta" or Test version that did fix the audio issue. The last communication I had with the team mentioned that the full release of that fix was likely in December.
It would be nice to know if 715 does solve that issue of no audio when Dolby is ON, during 4K HDR events.
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jsmit86 said:
I have not been updated to 715 yet. I am on a QE "Beta" or Test version that did fix the audio issue. The last communication I had with the team mentioned that the full release of that fix was likely in December.
It would be nice to know if 715 does solve that issue of no audio when Dolby is ON, during 4K HDR events.
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Interesting, is QE "Beta" or Test version different than the H708 you had mentioned that they rolled you back to or is that a newer version after that?
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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.


Roll tide.
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Ronnie- said:
The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.


Roll tide.
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With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots :(

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... :argue:mad:) :tombstone
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With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots :(

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... :argue:mad:) :tombstone
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Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.


You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.


Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.


None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.
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Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.


You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.


Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.


None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.
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Of course ... but they Could.

Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.
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Of course ... but they Could.
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Yes. I even said so. But for reasons I gave, they won't. Wouldn't make sense for them too and they would lose money. A lot of these people that watch one of these games, watch more than one.

They want those eyeballs on as many games as possible. It just makes financial sense.

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Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.
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It was early. Sure.
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Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?

What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.
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Breakfast for lunch. Crispy corned beef hash, home fries, two over easy eggs and sourdough toast.

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Grabbed a burrito on the run. Beef, pinto beans, green chile and cheese. Stewart's cream soda.

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Beef, bean green chile, cheese homemade burritos here... Water
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XTOC: Your Command Center for Off-Grid Communications | LIVE

Time for another AWESOME video from Ham Radio 2.0!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSYzGH16G7s


Direct YouTube Link - XTOC: Your Command Center for Off-Grid Communications | LIVE
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Color blind man sees full colors for first time at age 66

Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


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Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv
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My son is rg colorblind, but we found there are degrees. If something is vivid red or green, he can see a hint of color. I bought him a pair of the glasses when they first came out. He said they did improve things slightly, but not to the extent they are being touted. I think they are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
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jayn_j said:
My son is rg colorblind, but we found there are degrees. If something is vivid red or green, he can see a hint of color. I bought him a pair of the glasses when they first came out. He said they did improve things slightly, but not to the extent they are being touted. I think they are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
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Are the glasses one size fits all or do they make different models for different degrees of colorblindness.
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Dr Pol did not like or use his
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dishstaller said:
Are the glasses one size fits all or do they make different models for different degrees of colorblindness.
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It looked like there were at least three iterations to try to match up to the given individual deficit, and a test to take to determine which would best help. But at best they seem a marginal measure and not practical.
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I Let My Staff Upgrade the Office (They Almost Ruined It)

Time for another AWESOME video from Linus Tech Tips!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrO0Timw2z4


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