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I got this email this morning in my Broadcast Engineering Email... I thought I would share it with you guys.... I know there has been quite a controversy with HD Lite lately... This was a very insightful article (and has a couple cool tools too)

Stephen

HD, formats and perception
Apr 3, 2006 2:13 PM, Transition to Digital e-newsletter

Many formats are presented as high definition. Yet in the ATSC standard, there are only two raster sizes: 1920 x 1080 and 1280 x 720. Both are in a 16/9 aspect ratio. Scanning is either progressive or interlaced. What effect do frame rates (60, 30, 24, 59.94, 29.97 or 23.98) have on image quality? In color space, does bit depth and sampling affect the perceived image quality?

Here are some of the choices used to construct an HD video format:

Raster: 1920, 1440, 1280, 960 horizontal; 1080, 720 vertical
Scanning: interlaced or progressive
Color space: RGB or Y, R-Y, B-Y
Color bit depth: 12, 10, 8
Sampling: 4:4:4, 4:2:2, 4:2:0, 4:1:1

Is there anything to be gained perceptually with the use of 1080 progressive scanning in the viewing experience? Conversely, are 1440 horizontal pixels perceptually inferior to 1920? Or for that matter better than 1280? Is 3:2 pulldown visually acceptable for all types of content? Does the subconscious brain influence a subjective best impression?

Regardless of the numbers, formats are all about perception. How the Human Visual System (HVS) and brain process stimuli and what a person thinks about images determines satisfaction with a viewing experience, regardless of format.

Formats and the media lifecycle


Content undergoes various transformations in format through the media lifecycle. For example:


Creation: The camera interpolates from the image sensor to 1080i/p or 720p. Color sampling 4:4:4 RGB is converted to 4:2:2 Y, R-Y, B-Y.
Assembly: Content will be ingested and compressed to a high bit rate MPEG-2, AVC, VC-1, DV, HDV or other format. All are perceptual coders, discard information and are limited in encode/decode generations before artifacts become noticeable.
Distribution: An ATSC compliant MPEG transport stream at 19.39Mb/s will contain HD content that has now been compressed up to 50:1 and color sampling reduced to 4:2:0.
Consumption: The consumer display will process the ATSC elementary stream to conform to its native resolution. Who knows how 1366 horizontal pixels are produced from 1920 or 1280 and what this does to image quality?
In every case the original baseband HD video essence has been sliced, diced, transformed, transcoded, decoded and reconstructed. Again, the key question to ask is if the quality degradation is beyond our perceptual capabilities.

Perception


Extensive psychovisual subjective testing has been done to determine what is acceptable in picture quality. When is a just noticeable difference perceptible and annoying?

There are two fundamental factors in analyzing visual responses to images. Visual acuity is a measure of the resolving power of the eye (about 1 minute of arc). Color difference sensitivity determines how our eyes respond to stimulation by various wavelengths of light. For example, NTSC color implementation employed a form of compression based on eye sensitivity by limiting the bandwidth of chrominance signals while using maximum bandwidth for luminance. This fundamental physiological characteristic has been carried over into subsequent DTV systems.

Color perception
A top level description of brain processing:
www.cis.rit.edu/people/faculty/montag/vandplite/
Color Perception fundamentals:
www.diycalculator.com/sp-cvision.shtml

Two 2004 papers published in the Journal of Vision by McDermott, J. & Adelson, E.H.of the Dept. of Brain and Cognitive Science MIT get into deeper issues:

"Motion Perception And Mid-Level Vision:" http://web.mit.edu/jhm/www/gazz_final.pdf

The Geometry Of The Occluding Contour And Its Effect On Motion Interpretation:" http://journalofvision.org/4/10/9/McDermott-2004

Visual Acuity:

www.blaha.net/Main Visual Acuity.htm
www.bradford.ac.uk/acad/lifesci/optometry

Video image quality assessment methodology:

http://live.ece.utexas.edu/research/quality/VIF.htm
http://live.ece.utexas.edu/publications/2005


Intense study has gone into how the brain interprets visual data (see sidebar). A better understanding of how the brain perceives spatial and temporal aspects of visual stimuli could lead to new design methodologies; to better performing perceptual codecs; and lower data rates for a given video quality.

The eye is limited in its capability to resolve detail. In television this ability (visual acuity) can be analyzed based on viewing distance and aperture that determines the smallest picture element (PEL) separation that can be perceived.

It would be a dull world if monochromatic black and white vision were all that the eye and brain were capable of percieving. Yet color perception is not a straightforward process. There are still many mysteries to be unraveled.

Quality matters — Objective testing


Universities, corporate R & D and standards bodies have been active standardizing video quality definitions, measurement and testing methods.

The MSU Perceptual Video Quality tool is a tool for subjective video quality evaluation that can be used to conduct psychovisual testing. The Web site is also an excellent place to gain an understanding of perceptual testing of compression techniques.


Video quality measurement programs are underway at the Institute for Telecommunication Sciences, a branch of the NTIA (a Department of Commerce agency). An overview can be found at http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/tpr/2004/its_t/video.pdf.

Equipment manufactures such as K-WILL and Tektronix have incorporated some of these methods in their video test equipment.

Format conversion techniques


With any type of conversion implementation it is important to consider the quality of the resultant image. Conversion chains can introduce artifacts, both obvious and subtle, that will not appear until farther down the production chain or in the worse case scenario at the point of consumption. This will not make for happy viewers. Watching football players blur together at the line of scrimmage does not make for good PR for HD.


An NAB2004 conference paper titled "Digital Video Format Conversion" and an informative brochure from Futureware describes fundamental issues and methods of format conversion

Format conversion equipment


Format conversion equipment has come along way since the design and commissioning of the Grand Alliance scan converter. As part of ATTC testing, conversion between 1080i and 720p was to be analyzed. Since the capability did not exist, the GA members collaborated and built a real-time system.


Conversion equipment currently available includes the Miranda Imaging Series XVP-811 XVP-811 ; the Helios software based conversion platform from Snell & Wilcox; and Evertz's 7710UC-KF HD up-, down-, cross converter.


By the numbers?


When analyzing the numerical parameters of HD formats it is important to consider the geometry of the viewing environment. Will it be big screen, passive at distances greater than 3ft? Might it be for PC consumption at less than 3ft, or mini-screens on cell phones and video iPods? For all formats, perception is directly dependant on viewing distance, screen size and raster format.


An optimum viewing distance calculator illustrates this point for home theatre systems. For a 16 x 9, 42in horizontal display, the optimum viewing distance is about 6ft (6.5 for SMPTE, 5.4 for THX). The maximum viewing distance based on visual acuity is 6.3ft — and the eye can no longer resolve 1920 x 1080 interlace detail. For a 17in diagonal, 2.2ft is optimal. A mini 2.5in diagonal HD screen (if one should ever exist)is ideally viewed at 0.3ft for comparison NTSC is 0.9ft.

What's detail worth?


Broadcasting is a business, and although it may be challenging to produce the highest quality images using advanced technology, the expense incurred may not generate a sufficient return on investment. In fact, viewers may not notice a difference and if they do, they may not care!


Musical instruments are identified by their unique spectral characteristics. Although the ear can only hear up to 20KHZ, higher frequency components nevertheless influence our perception of a sound. This is why even the best CD recordings still do not sound real. Is there a parallel in the visual domain? Does our brain somehow sense imperceptible visual detail?

Viewing location directly determines the appropriate display. Cell phone football viewing is acceptable on a train, but given the option, a large screen would be preferred. Each offers unique challenges and business opportunity for broadcasters. Welcome to the multiformat, multiple consumption platform of DTV.

If this is the case, maybe 1080i, 720 or 1080 60p is not detail enough. Theatrical productions are using 2K, 4K and even 8K for cinematic presentation. Maybe with the emergence of free downloadable content, the only viable business model for broadcasters will be to supply something a viewer cannot get at home, a cinematic, immersive experience.


A session at IBC last year featured a glimpse into the future. 3-D presentations of clips from the Star Wars movie and other movies were stunning. The viewing of the recently fully restored Wizard of Oz after having seen it on the tube all my life was an amazing sensual experience. Maybe the future of HD is taking us to NHK's Super Hi-Vision ... after which all other formats will pale in comparison.
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nitstalker - What I got from this is a confirmation of something I've suspected all along - that "HD" is largely defined by the viewer in the environment in which it's being viewed. So numbers aside, there is still a substantial subjective and circumstantial perspective to be acknowledged and accommodated.

As I see it, the challenge for the content providers and various delivery platforms will be to determine and deliver an "optimal" depth, spacing, sampling and resolution, perhaps varying on the fly, appropriate for the content (hopefully not BW constricted to an economical level, but that's not likely!) while minimizing the number of transformations, but at the same time individual consumers may still want to have some variability available to suit their own equipment and perceptions. Right now we have the ability to vary the 720p/1080i lines/scanning aspect in most receivers and/or monitors to have some effect on the final product. We may ultimately end up with other means to "improve" the product to suit our tastes as well, to subjectively "dial-in" the best response. So the digital format begins to regain some infinite variability again, becoming a bit more...ahem..."analog"!

Excellent article, btw. I've copied it so I can visit all the links when I have some more time. I find all this stuff fascinating - keep it coming...!

BRgds...
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With the growing popularity of home theaters with larger than 42" screens (mine is 110"), I wonder if they will be forced to recognize these people will need the top level quality. I sit at just about the optimum distance, so I can definitely tell a difference. I use Time Warner Cable instead of Dish due to this reason, although Dish is obviously much better than DirecTV.
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I have a DX100 American Electrola Radio, AM FM SW. It is a receiver only, which quit working many years ago. Several years ago the seller had stated that capacitors would need replaced because they go bad.

In this particular xxx://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zUbXgNT8Oo they mentioned the backup battery being the problem.

Several years back when asking about having the capacitors replaced one former repairman said send it back to the factory, well there is not any. Another response several years ago from a person who repaired circuit boards for industry said they could repair it if they had a schematic, again I do not have.

This radio was built in Pittsburgh, PA out of as many American parts as they could find. Your thoughts on getting the radio to work?
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I can e-mail you pdf copies of the the manuals and schematics. The tuning not working is probably the tuning encoder. I recently found one that fits my DXC-100 from Mouser Electronic Supply. I'll be glad to include the encoder part number used to repair my radio. My radio doesn't have the battery so may be a bit different than mine.
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I can e-mail you pdf copies of the the manuals and schematics. The tuning not working is probably the tuning encoder. I recently found one that fits my DXC-100 from Mouser Electronic Supply. I'll be glad to include the encoder part number used to repair my radio. My radio doesn't have the battery so may be a bit different than mine.

Deheza,

Thanks for your information and offer. My Radio is actually a DXC 100 as well, was a typo in the title. Am puzzled by yours not having the battery, since they only made two runs. While the schematics would be great, I believe by the amount of views it would be better to post all the information here.

I see where numerous people have posted pdf files, just not sure how they do it.

Sorry about the long response time, just was not sure how to handle it.

Thanks,

Respectively,

Gray Hair
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If you change that diode, make sure you know what type it is, a regular rectifier, zener, whatever, don't just throw any old diode in. Try to read the number on it and look it up. Do you have a multimeter? A lot of the things in there can be easily checked with a meter.

Trying to run it off a clean 12 V source like a battery would be a good idea, like someone else suggested. In a couple of your pictures there's a 9v regulator [7809CT], and I think I saw a 5 V regulator [7805]. The 5v probably supplies the display and the 9v the radio circuitry. If you have a meter that would be a first place to check, check the three pins on each for a 12v input, a gnd, a 5v output on the 5v and a 9v output on the 9v. Bad solder connections is another good possibility.

That radio looks to be in nice shape inside. It doesn't look like anyone's worked it over, looks nice.

The back-up battery is probably just for a memory function, when you replace it make sure you use the same type, cadmium, lithium-ion, whatever it is, it should say on it what type it is and the voltage, or have a part# that can be looked up.
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I have just started working on one of these and could really use the schematics and a copy of the manual - can anybody send them to me or attach a link? I did construct a manual from "azenithnut" , but his zip file is missing pages 16,17. My radio display only briefly lights up when powered on. the tuner and audio section appears to work fine. I have already replaced the back-up battery. I have the second generation radio. TIA
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Another necropost here. I picked one of these up today. Does anyone out there have this manual (I'd take schematics too). I too found azenithnut's post with the missing pages 16 and 17.
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I have just started working on one of these and could really use the schematics and a copy of the manual - can anybody send them to me or attach a link? I did construct a manual from "azenithnut" , but his zip file is missing pages 16,17. My radio display only briefly lights up when powered on. the tuner and audio section appears to work fine. I have already replaced the back-up battery. I have the second generation radio. TIA
Can you send the serial-number label and photos of the tuner board, that should help distinguish its circuit revision; collector records say serials marked OB were the second production run. Use a heat gun or hair dryer to find bad caps if it works for A FEW SECONDS ITS A BAD CAP, THAN ONLY HEAT HALF OF THE RADIO
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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They Call the Wind Maria - Vaughn Monroe
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Maria Magenta - Donovan
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My Maria - Brooks & Dunn
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My Maria - B.W. Stevenson
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Don't Lose My Number - Phil Collins
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After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Almighty1
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
I have not been updated to 715 yet. I am on a QE "Beta" or Test version that did fix the audio issue. The last communication I had with the team mentioned that the full release of that fix was likely in December.
It would be nice to know if 715 does solve that issue of no audio when Dolby is ON, during 4K HDR events.
Almighty1
I have not been updated to 715 yet. I am on a QE "Beta" or Test version that did fix the audio issue. The last communication I had with the team mentioned that the full release of that fix was likely in December.
It would be nice to know if 715 does solve that issue of no audio when Dolby is ON, during 4K HDR events.
Interesting, is QE "Beta" or Test version different than the H708 you had mentioned that they rolled you back to or is that a newer version after that?
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.


Roll tide.
Jimbo
The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.


Roll tide.
With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots :(

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... :argue:mad:) :tombstone
Ronnie-
With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots :(

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... :argue:mad:) :tombstone
Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.


You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.


Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.


None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.
Jimbo
Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.


You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.


Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.


None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.
Of course ... but they Could.

Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.
Ronnie-
Of course ... but they Could.
Yes. I even said so. But for reasons I gave, they won't. Wouldn't make sense for them too and they would lose money. A lot of these people that watch one of these games, watch more than one.

They want those eyeballs on as many games as possible. It just makes financial sense.

Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.
It was early. Sure.
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.
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Breakfast for lunch. Crispy corned beef hash, home fries, two over easy eggs and sourdough toast.

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Grabbed a burrito on the run. Beef, pinto beans, green chile and cheese. Stewart's cream soda.

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Beef, bean green chile, cheese homemade burritos here... Water
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Juicy Lucy jalapeño burger… Tea
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Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


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Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv
jayn_j
My son is rg colorblind, but we found there are degrees. If something is vivid red or green, he can see a hint of color. I bought him a pair of the glasses when they first came out. He said they did improve things slightly, but not to the extent they are being touted. I think they are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
dishstaller
My son is rg colorblind, but we found there are degrees. If something is vivid red or green, he can see a hint of color. I bought him a pair of the glasses when they first came out. He said they did improve things slightly, but not to the extent they are being touted. I think they are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
Are the glasses one size fits all or do they make different models for different degrees of colorblindness.
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Dr Pol did not like or use his
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Are the glasses one size fits all or do they make different models for different degrees of colorblindness.
It looked like there were at least three iterations to try to match up to the given individual deficit, and a test to take to determine which would best help. But at best they seem a marginal measure and not practical.
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