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jsanders
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

622 lease upgraders, did you get a fair deal?

622 lease upgraders, some got better deals than others!

What do you think?

942 owners paid roughly $700 for their box no more than a year ago, and dish gave them $200 for it towards a leased 622.

921 owners paid roughly $1000 for their box two years ago, and dish gave them $200 for it towards a lease.

942 leasers got $200 for something that Echostar already owns, paying $99 for their 622 lease.

I think it is very generous on Echostar's part to give leasers a $200 credit for a DVR that Echostar already owns.

However, it seems to me that the 942/921 owners are subsidizing this generosity by giving their owned receiver for the same outcome.
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Cold Irons said:
Well....guess I owe a thanks to those that bought their previous receivers if they are "subsidizing" my lease.
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I think you need an emote-icon after that sentence. Maybe one like this: :devil:
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Cold Irons said:
I realize a lot of people perfer to own, but I've never understood why.
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Let us not forget that E* stated unequivocally early in the 942's lifecycle that existing customers would never be able to lease the 942; only new customers were to be offered 942 leases. So many existing E* customers (myself included) then purchased a 942 outright, since that was their only course of action if they wanted one. A scant few months later, E* executes a reversal, and starts offering existing customers leased 942s. That's why I'm pissed off that if I want a 622, I must not only surrender my 942, but also fork over an additional $99.
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I am hoping we don't end up debating the lease vs. owning scenario. Sometimes a lease makes more sense, and sometimes owning makes more sense. It all depends on the individual's circumstances.

I was wondering if someone would find a counter argument to my logic.

There is an imbalance that exists here, regardless of how it is described.

What do you think it would take to even it out?

Here is another way to find it. Look at the difference in price between the free market value of a used 942 and what Dish pays 942 owners to upgrade.

Here is a search of *completed* 942 auctions on EBay:

http://search-completed.ebay.com/se...ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&so=Show+Items

Depending on how well the auction was setup and executed, people seem to be getting between $300 and $400 for them.

There is about a $200 vacuum here.

What do you think?

Since dish could give $200 to lease 942 customers for something Dish already owns, why not kick in another $200 for 942 owners and make it a $400 rebate for them?

Maybe that is too sweet of a deal, after all, even retailers need to make some money to re-sell something. But then again, these people don't own their 622 in the end, and have no liquidatable capitol. Maybe it is fair.

How about dish just make upgrades for 942 owners free if they want to lease a 622? Does that sound fair? If they even kicked in another $50 to make it a $50 upgrade for 942 owners, I bet that would make some happy.

Wasn't dish calling people that owned their 942 and offering some a "free" upgrade to a 622 lease?

Maybe that is the spot that would equalize things.

Of course, they could also go the other way and tell 942 leasers that they don't get a $200 credit anymore.
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jsanders said:
I am hoping we don't end up debating the lease vs. owning scenario. Sometimes a lease makes more sense, and sometimes owning makes more sense. It all depends on the individual's circumstances.
Agreed - and I certainly don't want to start a debate - or downplay folks being upset at the bum deal of exchanging a $700 machine for a $99 fee & losing ownership. I think I'd be pretty damn upset had I purchased my 942 outright. Fortunately, I held off long enough for E* to offer the lease to existing customers. I'm not sure I can speak for 942 owners - but a FREE exchange for a leased 622 might be a little easier to swallow, or maybe a $99 fee to OWN a 622 in exchange for your owned 942. Dunno what would be fair here.....

As far as leasing vs. owning, I tend to decide on a case by case basis....
- I own my big ugly SUV because a lease doesn't make sense when I put around 30K miles on each year....
- I own my PC, because I tend to keep PCs longer than most tech gadgets & do a lot of tinkering with them....
....but High-Def Sat Receivers seem to cry out for a lease until things get much more settled. Looking at the "break-even" time period usually drives the decision.
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Cold Irons said:
Agreed - and I certainly don't want to start a debate - or downplay folks being upset at the bum deal of exchanging a $700 machine for a $99 fee & losing ownership. I think I'd be pretty damn upset had I purchased my 942 outright.
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I would love to have a few of those guys chime in here. Ultimately though, it was their choice to take a lopsided deal. What about those guys that leased before April 1, 2006? The tables were turned. In that case, the owners didn't do any trade-ins, but the leasers got the shaft because they got no rebate.


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maybe a $99 fee to OWN a 622 in exchange for your owned 942.
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That is the deal I got. Actually, it cost me about $130 to sell my 942 and use the proceeds to buy a 622.
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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My Maria - B.W. Stevenson
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Repair DX100 American Electrola Radio, AM FM SW?

I have a DX100 American Electrola Radio, AM FM SW. It is a receiver only, which quit working many years ago. Several years ago the seller had stated that capacitors would need replaced because they go bad.

In this particular xxx://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zUbXgNT8Oo they mentioned the backup battery being the problem.

Several years back when asking about having the capacitors replaced one former repairman said send it back to the factory, well there is not any. Another response several years ago from a person who repaired circuit boards for industry said they could repair it if they had a schematic, again I do not have.

This radio was built in Pittsburgh, PA out of as many American parts as they could find. Your thoughts on getting the radio to work?
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I can e-mail you pdf copies of the the manuals and schematics. The tuning not working is probably the tuning encoder. I recently found one that fits my DXC-100 from Mouser Electronic Supply. I'll be glad to include the encoder part number used to repair my radio. My radio doesn't have the battery so may be a bit different than mine.
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deheza said:
I can e-mail you pdf copies of the the manuals and schematics. The tuning not working is probably the tuning encoder. I recently found one that fits my DXC-100 from Mouser Electronic Supply. I'll be glad to include the encoder part number used to repair my radio. My radio doesn't have the battery so may be a bit different than mine.
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Deheza,

Thanks for your information and offer. My Radio is actually a DXC 100 as well, was a typo in the title. Am puzzled by yours not having the battery, since they only made two runs. While the schematics would be great, I believe by the amount of views it would be better to post all the information here.

I see where numerous people have posted pdf files, just not sure how they do it.

Sorry about the long response time, just was not sure how to handle it.

Thanks,

Respectively,

Gray Hair
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. Raine
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If you change that diode, make sure you know what type it is, a regular rectifier, zener, whatever, don't just throw any old diode in. Try to read the number on it and look it up. Do you have a multimeter? A lot of the things in there can be easily checked with a meter.

Trying to run it off a clean 12 V source like a battery would be a good idea, like someone else suggested. In a couple of your pictures there's a 9v regulator [7809CT], and I think I saw a 5 V regulator [7805]. The 5v probably supplies the display and the 9v the radio circuitry. If you have a meter that would be a first place to check, check the three pins on each for a 12v input, a gnd, a 5v output on the 5v and a 9v output on the 9v. Bad solder connections is another good possibility.

That radio looks to be in nice shape inside. It doesn't look like anyone's worked it over, looks nice.

The back-up battery is probably just for a memory function, when you replace it make sure you use the same type, cadmium, lithium-ion, whatever it is, it should say on it what type it is and the voltage, or have a part# that can be looked up.
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I have just started working on one of these and could really use the schematics and a copy of the manual - can anybody send them to me or attach a link? I did construct a manual from "azenithnut" , but his zip file is missing pages 16,17. My radio display only briefly lights up when powered on. the tuner and audio section appears to work fine. I have already replaced the back-up battery. I have the second generation radio. TIA
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Another necropost here. I picked one of these up today. Does anyone out there have this manual (I'd take schematics too). I too found azenithnut's post with the missing pages 16 and 17.
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I have just started working on one of these and could really use the schematics and a copy of the manual - can anybody send them to me or attach a link? I did construct a manual from "azenithnut" , but his zip file is missing pages 16,17. My radio display only briefly lights up when powered on. the tuner and audio section appears to work fine. I have already replaced the back-up battery. I have the second generation radio. TIA
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Can you send the serial-number label and photos of the tuner board, that should help distinguish its circuit revision; collector records say serials marked OB were the second production run. Use a heat gun or hair dryer to find bad caps if it works for A FEW SECONDS ITS A BAD CAP, THAN ONLY HEAT HALF OF THE RADIO
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This Week in Tech 1109

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


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The Agentic Web & When AI Agents Escape Their Sandbox

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rwJNDSWjwDY


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Updated to H715 on a Hopper 3 from H713

After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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Almighty1 said:
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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I have not been updated to 715 yet. I am on a QE "Beta" or Test version that did fix the audio issue. The last communication I had with the team mentioned that the full release of that fix was likely in December.
It would be nice to know if 715 does solve that issue of no audio when Dolby is ON, during 4K HDR events.
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jsmit86 said:
I have not been updated to 715 yet. I am on a QE "Beta" or Test version that did fix the audio issue. The last communication I had with the team mentioned that the full release of that fix was likely in December.
It would be nice to know if 715 does solve that issue of no audio when Dolby is ON, during 4K HDR events.
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Interesting, is QE "Beta" or Test version different than the H708 you had mentioned that they rolled you back to or is that a newer version after that?
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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.


Roll tide.
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Ronnie- said:
The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.


Roll tide.
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With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots :(

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... :argue:mad:) :tombstone
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With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots :(

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... :argue:mad:) :tombstone
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Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.


You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.


Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.


None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.
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Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.


You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.


Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.


None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.
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Of course ... but they Could.

Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.
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Of course ... but they Could.
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Yes. I even said so. But for reasons I gave, they won't. Wouldn't make sense for them too and they would lose money. A lot of these people that watch one of these games, watch more than one.

They want those eyeballs on as many games as possible. It just makes financial sense.

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Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.
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It was early. Sure.
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What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.
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Breakfast for lunch. Crispy corned beef hash, home fries, two over easy eggs and sourdough toast.

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Beef, bean green chile, cheese homemade burritos here... Water
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XTOC: Your Command Center for Off-Grid Communications | LIVE

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Color blind man sees full colors for first time at age 66

Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


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Often people who have organic vision or hearing activated as adults after never having had it cannot practically utilize it because their brains never developed the massive neural network needed to make sense of any of it.

Well, he sees in color, just differently. Can't he just enjoy that? My granny had anachromatic color blindness, meaning pretty much like a b&w tv
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My son is rg colorblind, but we found there are degrees. If something is vivid red or green, he can see a hint of color. I bought him a pair of the glasses when they first came out. He said they did improve things slightly, but not to the extent they are being touted. I think they are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
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My son is rg colorblind, but we found there are degrees. If something is vivid red or green, he can see a hint of color. I bought him a pair of the glasses when they first came out. He said they did improve things slightly, but not to the extent they are being touted. I think they are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
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Are the glasses one size fits all or do they make different models for different degrees of colorblindness.
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Dr Pol did not like or use his
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dishstaller said:
Are the glasses one size fits all or do they make different models for different degrees of colorblindness.
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It looked like there were at least three iterations to try to match up to the given individual deficit, and a test to take to determine which would best help. But at best they seem a marginal measure and not practical.
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I Let My Staff Upgrade the Office (They Almost Ruined It)

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