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Last reply Jul 4, 2006 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Cities try to illegally prohibit front yard satellite dishes

Apparently this is becoming an issue in Lincoln, Illinois and Schenectady, New York. There is a big discussion about this going on in another forum but the thing I wonder is, doesn't Dish Network have a legal department that keeps on top of issues like this and goes to bat for their subscribers? Seems to me it would make a lot more impact on a city if they knew that DN's lawyers were keeping a close eye on the situation - which they should given that many subscribers might otherwise choose to give up their dish rather than spend $300 to $400 in legal fees individually. Whereas I would think that Dish could file a lawsuit against the city representing all their affected subscribers, and probably get an injunction tying the city's hands. Does anyone know if they have any policy with regard to issues like this?

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anik

Jul 2, 2006

charper1 said:
AMEN!

or a car, a boat, a tent city, a garage business, a zoo/livestock, or any other crazy thing that these people want to do because "its their damn land" and then wonder why their neighborhood turns out like crap and their property values PLUMMET!

Everything is relative. On at least two different occasions in my life, when I've been looking for a place to live, someone (in the last case a real estate agent) told me that an area I was considering was a bad area - mind you, these people didn't know me from Adam but were telling me that I would not want to live in that area. In both cases they tried to make it sound really bad.

In both cases I ignored the unsolicited advice (in fact, their advice actually served as sort of an indicator to me that I should consider the area more closely). In both cases I have been very happy with my decision.

The area I live in now is an area that some people would hate. If you are big on neatly manicured lawns, homeowner association nazis and ordinences that regulate every aspect of your lives, you would not be happy here. I like to live in the woods, hate lawns and yard work, and don't mind if my neighbors choose to keep a car on blocks.

The other neat thing about this neighborhood is that it has somewhat of an anarchist bent, I think. For example, in my state any type of fireworks that explodes is illegal. In my neighborhood you'd think they were staging a reenactment the war of 1812 for about two weeks leading up to the fourth of July. Nobody reports those people because so many are doing it - you'd wind up reporting half the neighborhood. People like that are not going to give me a hassle about my dishes, either!

Despite all that, property values ARE going up (at least if the yearly assessments are to be believed).

Now, there are limits - as you say, there might be good reason to object if someone wants to start up a livestock business - but the minimal zoning we have wouldn't allow that anyway, and there's a big difference in something like that (which creates an odor that permeates your home) and the people who object because they don't like the color of someone's shingles or the fact that they have an older, possibly unlicensed car in the front yard.

Just a tip to those looking to put up your dishes without being hassled, and who can live with the idea that it's none of your damn business what your neighbor's yards look like - look into older, rural areas - the places where there are houses dating back to the 1950's and even (gasp) mobile homes. Look to see if the homes appear to be maintained (a high number of vacant homes, or homes in serious disrepair may indicate a drug problem). Note there is a difference between "maintained" and "aesthetically pleasing" - you're looking to see if the homes are abandoned or in disrepair, not whether you like their paint or shingle colors. What you're looking for is a fairly stable neighborhood with a good mix of older and younger people who may not necessarily have high incomes. Racially mixed is good too (be suspicious if EVERYONE is the same race, unless that's pretty much the way your entire county is).

If you can find a place like that, you're probably not going to get hassled about your dishes (especially if you see dishes in the neighborhood already). Bonus points if a real estate agent says, "You wouldn't want to live there!!!"

But the above advice is definitely NOT for the people who think that a dish in the front yard is ugly, or who drive past a row of lookalike houses with neatly manicured lawns and think, "Oh, how nice, I wish my house and yard looked like that!" It takes all kinds to make a world, and there are definitely certain types of people who should not be living within ten miles of each other!

anik

Jul 2, 2006

Uh, have you read the rest of this thread? I'm feeling a little picked on right now.

I thought I had posted another message but it apparently disappeared. The point I had tried to make is that not everyone has the same values. Some people like their houses that all look alike in a neighborhood of neatly manicured lawns where you can't do anything without the HOA nazis or city officials breathing down your neck. In my opinion, all those communities lack is bars around them, and some of them even have those.

I'd rather live in a neighborhood with cars on blocks in the front yards than one of those prison communities, but that's just me. I'd sort of hope that if my neighbors do have junk cars, they'd at least keep them in the back yard, but if they don't it's still none of my business. And I'd much prefer to live near people who feel the same way than the people who grumble about HOA's but ultimately conclude they are worth having.

What really bothers me is people who move into an existing neighborhood and then try to impose their values on the neighbors (and that goes both ways). If you don't like the neighborhood, why did you move there? If you like HOA's then stay out of neighborhoods where the people still believe in individual freedom, and vise versa. Personally I'd move to Wyoming (lowest population density of all the states, which means there should be some open land still available) before I'd put up with HOA regulations. Actually, I don't even have to go that far, there are plenty of nearly desolate places in my home state where the townships wouldn't care if you put up an entire C-band dish farm, and I'd rather live there than in a place with a HOA.

ronfelder

Jul 2, 2006

goaliebob99 said:
There is no need to be calling other memeber's Explicit names, Doing so again will result in a 10 day vacation from satellite guys. The next time after that results in a perminate ban. Please NO NAME BASHING OR ANYTHING ELSE AND KEEP IT CIVIL! Thank you!

What fun would that be if we kept quiet?

SimpleSimon

Jul 3, 2006

It (being overbearing and Nazi-like) is just NOT TRUE of the vast majority of HOAs.

Well, maybe whereever you are.

Here in Colorado it got so bad that we got state laws passed to rein them in.

Majic Walrus

Jul 4, 2006

What I don't understand is HOAs changing the rules that they impose on home-owners and expecting the home-owner to comply.

After I got my Dish installed on a pole mount in the back yard of my apartment, with the building manager present to sign the necessary paper work I thought it would be all cool. The landlord came by two days later and left me a message telling me that the installation was not done to his satisfaction because the pole mount was installed too far away from the apartment building and thus made it difficult for the mowing boy (his son) to mow around it.

I asked him to front the cost of a reinstall ($99) and he promptly shut up, but there are tons of stories where DBS customers get their Dishes removed without notice because the new rule states that dishes have to be on the back of the house.

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Scott Greczkowski

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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KAB

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Last reply 30 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Green Dot on WJ4?

Wireless Joey 4. Yesterday, I noticed a little green dot on a small black field in the upper right hand corner of the screen, regardless of channel, recordings, etc. A restart got rid of it, but I am curious as to what It meant and what I did to get it there.

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Today at 8:34 AM

Google Search

The little green dot inside a small black field in the upper right-hand corner of your screen is an Android privacy indicator confirming that the voice remote's microphone is actively listening. Because the Joey 4 runs on an Android

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Today at 9:16 AM

That's no good

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Almighty1

41 minutes ago

The green dot on Android TV is supposed to show as long as an app or background service is actively using the microphone or camera. [1, 2]

What Normal Behavior Looks Like

- When active: It appears (often with a small microphone or camera icon that fades into a simple green dot) the moment a voice search, assistant command, or streaming app requests audio input.
- When it disappears: It should vanish a few seconds after you finish your command or after the app stops using the microphone. [1]

Why It Might Stay On (Persistent Dot)
If the green dot stays on indefinitely or won't go away, it usually means:

- An app (such as a voice search tool, media player, or background utility) has a hung process or is keeping the microphone channel open.
- A remote control or voice-recognition service is stuck. [1]

How to Fix or Check It

- Restart your TV: Unplug the power cable for about 30 seconds and plug it back in to clear out stuck background apps.
- Check app permissions: Go to your TV's Settings > Privacy or Device Preferences > Microphone to see which apps have access, and revoke permission for any suspicious or unnecessary apps. [1, 2]

Scott Greczkowski

30 minutes ago

Its a bug. I had it happen to mine. The mic is not listening, and if your worried about that remove the batteries from your remote as thats where the mic is.

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Data Centers Faced a 2026 Ballot Measure Tsunami #shorts

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Bobby

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Dish 4K Event Listings (No Discussion)

This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.

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CFB, Florida vs Georgia, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.

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CFB, Wisconsin at Iowa, Saturday 10-31, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona St at BYU, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.

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CFB, Alabama at LSU, Saturday 11-7, 12:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.

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CFB, UCLA at Minnesota, Saturday 11-7, 9AM PST, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Iowa at Northwestern, Saturday 11-7, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-01.

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CFB, Texas at LSU, Saturday 11-14, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.

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Almost literally EVERYONE is wrong about the iPhone Duo

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Last reply Today at 2:25 PM · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.

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TheForce

Yesterday at 10:32 AM

Report on my iphone 18 PM
Working well with about 3-4 days battery life. New BT and Wifi range is much better than the 15 I had. It doesn't seem any faster but probably is. The Camera shooting video has amazing image stabilization.
Only observed issue is once in awhile, the screen loses touch sensitivity and requires a soft reboot and delete the many open apps to fix. This happens about once a week since buying it.

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Foxbat

Today at 9:54 AM

TheForce said:
Only observed issue is once in awhile, the screen loses touch sensitivity and requires a soft reboot and delete the many open apps to fix.

I think your new 18 Pro is fine as this seems to be an iOS 27 bug. My iPhone 17 has similar issues.

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TheForce

Today at 12:53 PM

Foxbat said:
I think your new 18 Pro is fine as this seems to be an iOS 27 bug. My iPhone 17 has similar issues.

My wife hasn't complained about her 17Pro yet.

navychop

Today at 1:01 PM

Shhhh!

Foxbat

Today at 1:15 PM

To be fair, this doesn't happen often. Usually pressing the screen button and unlocking the phone clears it up. There is one site where touch seems to be royally screwed up. But it's more a case of the touch points not matching the targets on screen.

TheForce

Today at 2:25 PM

Foxbat said:
To be fair, this doesn't happen often. Usually pressing the screen button and unlocking the phone clears it up. There is one site where touch seems to be royally screwed up. But it's more a case of the touch points not matching the targets on screen.

The most annoying for me is when I'm trying to teach my robot to edit the mowing map and the touch screen quits and I have to reboot and start all over. As long as I reboot the phone the repeat will usually complete the map and it is saved.

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Bruce

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Last reply Today at 2:14 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

How things have changed

I was reading this article

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…

thehill.com

That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.

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Bruce

Today at 5:36 AM

According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

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Jimbo

Today at 8:00 AM

Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.

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Bruce

Today at 8:17 AM

Jimbo said:
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.

Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?

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AZ.

Today at 8:25 AM

Bruce said:
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?

Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.

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Bruce

Today at 11:08 AM

AZ. said:
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.

But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.

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Bobby

Today at 11:20 AM

Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.

Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.

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AZ.

Today at 1:09 PM

Bobby said:
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.

Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.

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TRG

Today at 2:01 PM

Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish

Bruce

Today at 2:14 PM

AZ. said:
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.

Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 2:00 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Ronnie-

Yesterday at 3:11 PM

The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.

Roll tide.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 3:23 PM

Ronnie- said:
The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.

Roll tide.

With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... :argue

)

Ronnie-

Yesterday at 3:28 PM

Jimbo said:
With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... )

Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.

You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.

Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.

None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 3:58 PM

Ronnie- said:
Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.

You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.

Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.

None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.

Of course ... but they Could.

Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.

Ronnie-

Yesterday at 4:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Of course ... but they Could.

Yes. I even said so. But for reasons I gave, they won't. Wouldn't make sense for them too and they would lose money. A lot of these people that watch one of these games, watch more than one.

They want those eyeballs on as many games as possible. It just makes financial sense.

Jimbo said:
Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.

It was early. Sure.

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Today at 9:12 AM

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Ronnie-

Today at 12:34 PM

College Football Playoff, ESPN agree to 5-year, $1.7 billion deal expanding field to 24 teams starting in 2027

The CFP field will have 12 teams this year, before doubling in 2027.

sports.yahoo.com

ESPN and the College Football Playoff (CFP) have agreed to a 5-year deal to expand the playoff from 12 to 24 teams.

The deal, worth $1.7 billion per ESPN's Heather Dinich, keeps ESPN as the broadcast partner.

The CFP announced the deal on Monday.

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cp2k

Today at 1:30 PM

Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.

Jimbo

Today at 2:00 PM

cp2k said:
Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.

Until the Big Ten changed thier alignment,(a couple years ago) ... it was not like that at all, the East side won most years the west side represented the Big Ten, but they may have been the team with the 4th best record ...
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

The biggest issue with the Conference Now is the Number of TEAMS .... WAY to Many.
It would take 2-3 YEARS to do a round robin where everyone would play one another ... How do you know how good a team is when teams don't play the same teams ?

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