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miguelaqui

Last reply Jul 6, 2006 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Is it possible that cable made for satellite siganl would not be as good for cable?

I was just wondering if these cables, such as Perfect Vision and Eagle Aspen, yes the Chinese stuff, would possibly be OK for satellite, but not too good for cable.

I know people might think that "wire is wire" , but I recenty thought of the old "wire trap" used in the 70's for HBO. It was a long piece of cable that had one channel tuned out of it. Techs would put about 20 feet of this wire between the tap and the house to remove HBO..I only know these because I took one down on the early 90's and asked what it was!

With that being said....it is true that wire can be made for certain signals.

The only reason why I'm concerned is that I recently came across some info saying that TFC might not be good for satellite signals; it failed WildBlue's test. TFC has always worked out well for me, but I used it for CATV, back when 53 were all we had.

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miguelaqui

Jul 5, 2006

ronfelder said:
you're full of crap. Myt sat. cabling is over 6 years and is still in use today. I know eople who have sat. even longer and they are still using the cabling. Actually the specs for sat. shoudl be tighter in that the frequencies of the sat. are higher than what cable uses.

Sounds to me that you're a cable tv troll.

Ron

I will say that, 6 years ago, the sat companies were stilll using American made cable!!! I never saw perfect Vision or Eagle Aspen back then.

bhelms

Jul 5, 2006

I tend to agree with Mike500, but I wouldn't make this just a sat. vs. CATV comparison. To me there seems to be a measurable difference between commercial grade and consumer grade coax cables (if those are meaningful category names for this discussion), even if only qualitatively, and that seems to apply for almost everything!

I used Tandy RG-6/U QS for some of my own installations, both sat. and OTA. In recent years I have come to realize that Tandy cable is a consumer-grade product, not in the same league as the better commercial grade cables. Some of that Tandy coax has been in service for 25 years and is still working well. It is certainly not the quality of "CATV cable", but it has held up. The sat. part was placed in service when ~1500MHz was all you needed for sat. service. It is still working well enough at ~2150MHz. I doubt this cable was ever "swept" to be certified for either range, but it works just fine over the lengths I use (50-75' runs). I did notice when I recently re-teminated a chunk of the cable that was carrying my OTA signal that the outer shield had a powdery white "dust" on it (aluminum oxide?) and I am concerned that I have evidence of a kind of break-down that is part of the life-limiting characteristic of this cheaper cable. I also have some very old chunks of CATV cable left over from one installation or another over the years. None of those show anything similar. The center conductor of the Tandy cable was well oxidized, but the CATV cable I have seems less so. Just things I have observed, and in the grand scheme may be insignificant.

There are other considerations here re: out-of-box quality and long-term reliability, both of which affect performance. I never did a "numbers" comparison (I'm not even sure where you could get those numbers for a lot of the cheaper stuff like the Tandy cable) but I'm willing to bet the the better cables have lower loss figures especially at the higher frequencies due to better dielectric materials, and that the shielding of the non-QS types is superior on the better cables as well vs. non-QS consumer-grade stuff. That would mean to me that for more sensitive OTA signals one should use the better cable types for best performance, initially and probably for the longer term. For DBS sat. signals, as long as the cable can pass the ~2150MHz signals with reasonably low loss over "typical" lengths (50-100'?) then the cable should be OK for that application, and even with a lower designed service life will likely be so for quite a few years. To be sure, the cable is ever degrading and probably at a quicker rate, but that degradation won't be noticeable in most installations. And for digital signals, the "quality" of the shield is a lot less significant for most installations. It would be more critical for analog applications, like legacy OTA and CATV service.

I too have collected a number of old electronic devices, like phones from the rotary dial age (still have 2 in service!) and tube-type radios, etc. Those were certainly designed to last for the long haul, vs. throw-away in a year or two, most likely due to obsolescence. When something has a designed service life of just a few years, that's a minimum (with some small expectation of "infant mortals") based on a stated set of conditions. Most of that item will last a lot longer, statistically speaking. Everything except a good wine degrades with advancing age. In some applications you just don't notice it.

Just my 2-cents worth. Cheaper may work in some applications. Better is always best...! YMMV

SimpleSimon

Jul 6, 2006

commercial grade and consumer grade coax cables

EXACTLY! It's not SAT vs. CATV, but consumer vs. commercial.

Oh - and Ron, Mike500 is NOT a CATV troll.

jerryez

Jul 6, 2006

I originally used rg11 cable, but swithed to rg6 many years ago. When the cable company replaced the cable on my street with fiber, they disposed of the old calbe and I got about a 100 foot of it. The wire inside and insulation is better than RG6.

sksatellite

Jul 6, 2006

Its about quality vs Money, with current pay rate, no one will use three times that much cost on an american made cable. I did used some of the left over pefect vision cable to make jump cable, some of these could not pass the signal when connected from wall plate to receiver, but work good from receiver TV out to TV as well as wall plate on TV for cable service.

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply 50 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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KAB

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Last reply 52 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Green Dot on WJ4?

Wireless Joey 4. Yesterday, I noticed a little green dot on a small black field in the upper right hand corner of the screen, regardless of channel, recordings, etc. A restart got rid of it, but I am curious as to what It meant and what I did to get it there.

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Today at 8:34 AM

Google Search

The little green dot inside a small black field in the upper right-hand corner of your screen is an Android privacy indicator confirming that the voice remote's microphone is actively listening. Because the Joey 4 runs on an Android

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Today at 9:16 AM

That's no good

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Almighty1

Today at 3:05 PM

The green dot on Android TV is supposed to show as long as an app or background service is actively using the microphone or camera. [1, 2]

What Normal Behavior Looks Like

- When active: It appears (often with a small microphone or camera icon that fades into a simple green dot) the moment a voice search, assistant command, or streaming app requests audio input.
- When it disappears: It should vanish a few seconds after you finish your command or after the app stops using the microphone. [1]

Why It Might Stay On (Persistent Dot)
If the green dot stays on indefinitely or won't go away, it usually means:

- An app (such as a voice search tool, media player, or background utility) has a hung process or is keeping the microphone channel open.
- A remote control or voice-recognition service is stuck. [1]

How to Fix or Check It

- Restart your TV: Unplug the power cable for about 30 seconds and plug it back in to clear out stuck background apps.
- Check app permissions: Go to your TV's Settings > Privacy or Device Preferences > Microphone to see which apps have access, and revoke permission for any suspicious or unnecessary apps. [1, 2]

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Scott Greczkowski

52 minutes ago

Its a bug. I had it happen to mine. The mic is not listening, and if your worried about that remove the batteries from your remote as thats where the mic is.

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Data Centers Faced a 2026 Ballot Measure Tsunami #shorts

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Bobby

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Dish 4K Event Listings (No Discussion)

This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.

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Bobby

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CFB, Florida vs Georgia, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.

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Oct 29, 2026

CFB, Wisconsin at Iowa, Saturday 10-31, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona St at BYU, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.

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CFB, Alabama at LSU, Saturday 11-7, 12:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.

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CFB, UCLA at Minnesota, Saturday 11-7, 9AM PST, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Iowa at Northwestern, Saturday 11-7, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-01.

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CFB, Texas at LSU, Saturday 11-14, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.

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Almost literally EVERYONE is wrong about the iPhone Duo

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TheForce

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Last reply Today at 2:25 PM · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.

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TheForce

Yesterday at 10:32 AM

Report on my iphone 18 PM
Working well with about 3-4 days battery life. New BT and Wifi range is much better than the 15 I had. It doesn't seem any faster but probably is. The Camera shooting video has amazing image stabilization.
Only observed issue is once in awhile, the screen loses touch sensitivity and requires a soft reboot and delete the many open apps to fix. This happens about once a week since buying it.

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Foxbat

Today at 9:54 AM

TheForce said:
Only observed issue is once in awhile, the screen loses touch sensitivity and requires a soft reboot and delete the many open apps to fix.

I think your new 18 Pro is fine as this seems to be an iOS 27 bug. My iPhone 17 has similar issues.

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TheForce

Today at 12:53 PM

Foxbat said:
I think your new 18 Pro is fine as this seems to be an iOS 27 bug. My iPhone 17 has similar issues.

My wife hasn't complained about her 17Pro yet.

navychop

Today at 1:01 PM

Shhhh!

Foxbat

Today at 1:15 PM

To be fair, this doesn't happen often. Usually pressing the screen button and unlocking the phone clears it up. There is one site where touch seems to be royally screwed up. But it's more a case of the touch points not matching the targets on screen.

TheForce

Today at 2:25 PM

Foxbat said:
To be fair, this doesn't happen often. Usually pressing the screen button and unlocking the phone clears it up. There is one site where touch seems to be royally screwed up. But it's more a case of the touch points not matching the targets on screen.

The most annoying for me is when I'm trying to teach my robot to edit the mowing map and the touch screen quits and I have to reboot and start all over. As long as I reboot the phone the repeat will usually complete the map and it is saved.

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Bruce

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Last reply Today at 2:14 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

How things have changed

I was reading this article

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…

thehill.com

That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.

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Bruce

Today at 5:36 AM

According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

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Jimbo

Today at 8:00 AM

Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.

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Bruce

Today at 8:17 AM

Jimbo said:
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.

Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?

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AZ.

Today at 8:25 AM

Bruce said:
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?

Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.

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Bruce

Today at 11:08 AM

AZ. said:
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.

But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.

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Bobby

Today at 11:20 AM

Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.

Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.

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AZ.

Today at 1:09 PM

Bobby said:
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.

Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.

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TRG

Today at 2:01 PM

Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish

Bruce

Today at 2:14 PM

AZ. said:
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.

Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 2:00 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Ronnie-

Yesterday at 3:11 PM

The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.

Roll tide.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 3:23 PM

Ronnie- said:
The game time was just a product of so many top 25 matchups. I think they said it was the most in one day since the 1930s.

Not everyone can play at night and get a tv slot.

Of course Lane is gonna complain. It's what he does.

Roll tide.

With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... :argue

)

Ronnie-

Yesterday at 3:28 PM

Jimbo said:
With Streaming, they should all be able to be on at night, no issue with TV slots

(Everybody can be on Peacock ... )

Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.

You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.

Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.

None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 3:58 PM

Ronnie- said:
Could. Yes.

But you know as well as I that they are not going A: put all of their prime matchups on at the same time. And B: take their main games off of the main channels.

You had bama vs lsu, and Georgia vs Ole Miss to choose from.

Considering Georgia had beaten Bama and Ole Miss had beaten LSU, I can see that why they chose that game for the night matchup (without the benefit of hindsight as to how the game's Saturday would play out).

You also had Tennessee vs Kentucky to fit in the mix.

Someone had to be at 2:30. Which imo is honestly my preferred slot for bama games no matter who they are playing or where.

None of them was going to be a streaming only game, and none where going on an "alternate" channel.

Of course ... but they Could.

Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.

Ronnie-

Yesterday at 4:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Of course ... but they Could.

Yes. I even said so. But for reasons I gave, they won't. Wouldn't make sense for them too and they would lose money. A lot of these people that watch one of these games, watch more than one.

They want those eyeballs on as many games as possible. It just makes financial sense.

Jimbo said:
Did you realize how early that Utah vs BYU game was Saturday ... I believe it was 12 Noon EST, they are in Mountain time zone, which means they started thier game a 10 AM.

It was early. Sure.

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Today at 9:12 AM

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Ronnie-

Today at 12:34 PM

College Football Playoff, ESPN agree to 5-year, $1.7 billion deal expanding field to 24 teams starting in 2027

The CFP field will have 12 teams this year, before doubling in 2027.

sports.yahoo.com

ESPN and the College Football Playoff (CFP) have agreed to a 5-year deal to expand the playoff from 12 to 24 teams.

The deal, worth $1.7 billion per ESPN's Heather Dinich, keeps ESPN as the broadcast partner.

The CFP announced the deal on Monday.

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cp2k

Today at 1:30 PM

Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.

Jimbo

Today at 2:00 PM

cp2k said:
Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.

Until the Big Ten changed thier alignment,(a couple years ago) ... it was not like that at all, the East side won most years the west side represented the Big Ten, but they may have been the team with the 4th best record ...
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

The biggest issue with the Conference Now is the Number of TEAMS .... WAY to Many.
It would take 2-3 YEARS to do a round robin where everyone would play one another ... How do you know how good a team is when teams don't play the same teams ?

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