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120inna55

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Last reply Jul 13, 2006 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DFW, TX HD locals dramatically improved OVER NIGHT!

For some reason, in the summer, my OTA reception gets poor (particularly in the mornings). Therefore the Dish Network-provided HD locals was great news. But, as many have noticed there were definite image quality problems (blurred image with movement and "jerkiness"--like dropped frames).

Before work every morning, I watch the morning news on KXAS (NBC). Because there's occasional dropouts on the OTA, I've been watching the poorer quality, albeit more reliable, Dish Network-provided HD local. This morning (and still this evening), I've noticed dramatic improvement in quality. Motion is now smooth and there is no blurring. The ticker at the bottom of the newscast is now quite legible and without blurring as noted previously.

I'll wait until prime time to compare to actual HD source material, but the fact that SD (on the E* HD Local) is near OTA quality, things look promising.

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Paradox-SJ

Jul 12, 2006

120inna55 said:
I don't know why you'd think I'm a troll. Although I don't have a high post count, I've been a "Supporting Founder" since September 2003. Up until last night the E* HD locals were unwatchable. Now, after scrutinizing the channels, I honestly can not tell the difference between OTA and E* HD locals.

The TV is in the sig (HLN617W). It's a 61" Samsung 720p DLP.

No disrespect intened...and maybe a bit of jealously as the HD LIL here is the SF Bay Area are still unwatchable especiall NBC and none of them even come close to OTA. I hear people say statements like what you said and them they say they are watching on a 32" set....

I am happy for you guys and hope what ever they did for you will be done for the rest of the MPEG4 HD LIL

120inna55

Jul 12, 2006

Paradox-SJ said:
No disrespect intened...and maybe a bit of jealously as the HD LIL here is the SF Bay Area are still unwatchable especiall NBC and none of them even come close to OTA...

None taken.

I reviewed your posts throughout this entire forum and I empathize with you and your frustration.

Prior to the aforementioned events, given my limited knowledge of encoding/decoding, I would've ventured to say that a DBS provider's ability to achieve a quality equal to that of OTA would be virtually impossible. That said, given my relative remote distance from the towers and resultant unreliable OTA signal of some stations, my hopes were that quality of sat-provided HD locals would at least be near that of OTA. When E* initially uploaded the HD locals, my hopes were all but dashed. However, I was encouraged by others on this very forum to be patient and to provide specific, time/channel/content-based feedback to the engineers by way of email: dishquality@echostar.com.

I did just that beginning early May, I believe. My emails were met with informative reassuring responses, the content of which were not sugar-coated form letters, but rather had tones of mildly frustrated engineers striving to resolve a well-known issue. They even asked for more detail and feedback which I was happy to provide.

When I noted the dramatic improvement last night, I fired off a quick email indicating that all quality issues appeared to be resolved and that whatever they did, it worked. And I quite simply, thanked them.

Here's the kicker. Not 24 hours after that last email, I received a call on my mobile phone from Jeff McSchooler, VP of Echostar Broadcasting. He said he just wanted to personally thank me for my patience and feedback. He also mentioned something to the effect of having a long road ahead with regards to other markets.

Being on the 'bleeding edge' of technology does not come without its nicks. But down-to-earth customer service such as this makes it much more tolerable.

So to you, Paradox, I can only provide the same sage advise once given to me, which is that you be patient and provide as much constructive feedback as possible.

drjdan

Jul 13, 2006

I am in Dallas. I will agree the Local HD are very good and hard t tell different form OTA. I get very good signal for OTA in Dallas.

As for the California persons problem, I have heard that they had some bad installs of the 1000 getting the 129 sat. They could be causing a problem. I use 61.5 for my locals. When I ungraded to the 622, the support rep that took my order said California has 1000 issues because they had a third party contactor that was doing a bad job of installing with untrained people. It seems the 1000 is a little more effort to get lined up correctly with 129.

Grandude

Jul 13, 2006

drjdan said:
As for the California persons problem, I have heard that they had some bad installs of the 1000 getting the 129 sat. They could be causing a problem. I use 61.5 for my locals. When I ungraded to the 622, the support rep that took my order said California has 1000 issues because they had a third party contactor that was doing a bad job of installing with untrained people. It seems the 1000 is a little more effort to get lined up correctly with 129.

The HD locals in the San Francisco Bay area are not on 129. They are on 119 so the 129 issue doesn't exist for the HD local.
The NBC local is almost unwatchable due to smearing which some call the 'acid trip' effect. The CBS local last night was unwatchable due to severe, and I mean severe pixelation. The ABC channel had sound sync problems so bad that it was unwatchable but that seems to have been fixed, although I'm not holding my breath yet.

MikeD-C05

Jul 13, 2006

Grandude said:
The HD locals in the San Francisco Bay area are not on 129. They are on 119 so the 129 issue doesn't exist for the HD local.
The NBC local is almost unwatchable due to smearing which some call the 'acid trip' effect. The CBS local last night was unwatchable due to severe, and I mean severe pixelation. The ABC channel had sound sync problems so bad that it was unwatchable but that seems to have been fixed, although I'm not holding my breath yet.

Have you done any emails to the dishquality folks? IF not then you need to post one and keep updating them on the problems you are seeing . THis will cause them to fix these problems. I sent them weekly several times a week in fact. I am sure they hated to see my name after awhile but it payed off. It may not happen over night for you but it will eventually be fixed. IN my case it took almost 2 months from when they launched the Houston hd stations till they fixed the Cbs station with the mpeg 4 motion artifacts. They fixed it though and sent me an email to ask me how it looked at present. That one department does nothing but try to fix any problems with the audio and video for Dish.

dishquality@echostar.com

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Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply A moment ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...

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Foxbat

Friday at 4:26 PM

Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.

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savarese04

Saturday at 1:58 PM

Foxbat said:
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.

similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 7:53 AM

savarese04 said:
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.

Chances are, they told you about how hard and long it would take for them to place that fiber to your area ... Poles needed to be placed and what not ...

ncted

Yesterday at 8:54 AM

Jimbo said:
Chances are, they told you about how hard and long it would take for them to place that fiber to your area ... Poles needed to be placed and what not ...

Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:36 AM

ncted said:
Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.

People that Own the poles ?
That would be ATT Or the Power Company depending on the situation ... easily figured out by looking at the Tag on All Poles.

navychop

Yesterday at 10:09 AM

ncted said:
Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.

Might not be an option, due to easements. I can't see governments allowing public property (easements) for exclusive use by just one company.

I $uppo$e there'$ a way….

ncted

Today at 9:35 AM

Jimbo said:
People that Own the poles ?
That would be ATT Or the Power Company depending on the situation ... easily figured out by looking at the Tag on All Poles.

Sorry, Companies or whoever. Power company, cable company, competing phone companies, governments. AT&T sued Nashville a while back because of how pole attachment works there.

Jimbo

Today at 9:40 AM

ncted said:
Sorry, Companies or whoever. Power company, cable company, competing phone companies, governments. AT&T sued Nashville a while back because of how pole attachment works there.

Really ?
The poles always have a tag on them showing who owns them, up here its either the Power Company or the Phone company ...

edit:
Utility and telephone poles in Nashville, Tennessee are owned primarily by two entities: [1]

Nashville Electric Service (NES): Owns approximately 80% of the utility and telephone poles across its Davidson County service area.
- AT&T: Owns the remaining 20% of the poles (roughly 104,000 poles). [1, 2, 3]

Other telecom and cable providers, such as Comcast or Google Fiber, do not typically own the physical poles; instead, they rent attachment space on NES- or AT&T-owned poles through pole-attachment agreements. [1, 2]

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reubenray

Today at 1:09 PM

In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.

Jimbo

A moment ago

reubenray said:
In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.

Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.

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Bruce

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Last reply 5 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

How things have changed

I was reading this article

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…

thehill.com

That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.

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Today at 5:36 AM

According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

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Jimbo

Today at 8:00 AM

Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.

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Bruce

Today at 8:17 AM

Jimbo said:
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.

Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?

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AZ.

Today at 8:25 AM

Bruce said:
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?

Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.

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Bruce

Today at 11:08 AM

AZ. said:
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.

But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.

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Bobby

Today at 11:20 AM

Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.

Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.

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AZ.

Today at 1:09 PM

Bobby said:
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.

Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.

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TRG

Today at 2:01 PM

Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish

Bruce

Today at 2:14 PM

AZ. said:
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.

Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.

Jimbo

8 minutes ago

TRG said:
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees.

Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...

Jimbo

7 minutes ago

Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.

Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?

Jimbo

5 minutes ago

Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.

True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .

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Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
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Last reply 42 minutes ago · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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cp2k

Today at 1:30 PM

Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.

Jimbo

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cp2k said:
Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.

Until the Big Ten changed thier alignment, (a couple years ago) ... it was not like that at all, the East side won most years the west side represented the Big Ten, but they may have been the team with the 4th best record ...
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

The biggest issue with the Conference Now is the Number of TEAMS .... WAY to Many.
It would take 2-3 YEARS to do a round robin where everyone would play one another ... How do you know how good a team is when teams don't play the same teams ?

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meStevo

42 minutes ago

Jimbo said:
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

Surprised you haven't made this claim yet.

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But thing is, a lot of these projects are still moving forward. If they hit snags in TX, Loozianna has open arms

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Last reply Today at 3:16 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Green Dot on WJ4?

Wireless Joey 4. Yesterday, I noticed a little green dot on a small black field in the upper right hand corner of the screen, regardless of channel, recordings, etc. A restart got rid of it, but I am curious as to what It meant and what I did to get it there.

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Today at 8:34 AM

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The little green dot inside a small black field in the upper right-hand corner of your screen is an Android privacy indicator confirming that the voice remote's microphone is actively listening. Because the Joey 4 runs on an Android

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Almighty1

Today at 3:05 PM

The green dot on Android TV is supposed to show as long as an app or background service is actively using the microphone or camera. [1, 2]

What Normal Behavior Looks Like

- When active: It appears (often with a small microphone or camera icon that fades into a simple green dot) the moment a voice search, assistant command, or streaming app requests audio input.
- When it disappears: It should vanish a few seconds after you finish your command or after the app stops using the microphone. [1]

Why It Might Stay On (Persistent Dot)
If the green dot stays on indefinitely or won't go away, it usually means:

- An app (such as a voice search tool, media player, or background utility) has a hung process or is keeping the microphone channel open.
- A remote control or voice-recognition service is stuck. [1]

How to Fix or Check It

- Restart your TV: Unplug the power cable for about 30 seconds and plug it back in to clear out stuck background apps.
- Check app permissions: Go to your TV's Settings > Privacy or Device Preferences > Microphone to see which apps have access, and revoke permission for any suspicious or unnecessary apps. [1, 2]

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Scott Greczkowski

Today at 3:16 PM

Its a bug. I had it happen to mine. The mic is not listening, and if your worried about that remove the batteries from your remote as thats where the mic is.

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Bobby

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Last reply Today at 2:40 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish 4K Event Listings (No Discussion)

This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.

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Oct 26, 2026

CFB, Florida vs Georgia, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.

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CFB, Wisconsin at Iowa, Saturday 10-31, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona St at BYU, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.

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CFB, Alabama at LSU, Saturday 11-7, 12:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.

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CFB, UCLA at Minnesota, Saturday 11-7, 9AM PST, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Texas at LSU, Saturday 11-14, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.

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