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I know this is asked often on these boards but this is a big decision and i have tried to do my homework. I have Charter and have dealt with them for the last time. I do not know which direction to go Dish or DTV. This is what i come up with from what i can tell: (Dish)HD Gold + local channels + HBO + Equipment Fees after all the specials run out in 10 months is 95.96 + tax. (D TV) Total choice Plus + HBO + HD Package + DVR after 4 months is 77.97 + tax. I know that dish is 199 up front and D tv is 299 up front but if you look at it for the long run D TV looks like the way to go as far as price goes. I know what Dish has the more channels but most of them are movie channels. I watch some movies and enjoy them in HD but 90 % of my viewing is network channels and sports (ESPN). I have done the comparision and for the similar packages for the 18 month commitment with Dish + the equipment dish is 19 dollars more total.

By the way my zipcode is 28601.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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If sports is your preference, then D* is your choice. Plug your zipcode in at www.antennaweb.org to see what locals you have available to you and what it might take to receive them over the air vs. from the sat. providers. You'd probably end up doing that anyway with either service as HD OTA picture quality is (generally) superior to what you'll receive from either service, if they have it at all...
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packman95 said:
I know this is asked often on these boards but this is a big decision and i have tried to do my homework. I have Charter and have dealt with them for the last time. I do not know which direction to go Dish or DTV. This is what i come up with from what i can tell: (Dish)HD Gold + local channels + HBO + Equipment Fees after all the specials run out in 10 months is 95.96 + tax. (D TV) Total choice Plus + HBO + HD Package + DVR after 4 months is 77.97 + tax. I know that dish is 199 up front and D tv is 299 up front but if you look at it for the long run D TV looks like the way to go as far as price goes. I know what Dish has the more channels but most of them are movie channels. I watch some movies and enjoy them in HD but 90 % of my viewing is network channels and sports (ESPN). I have done the comparison and for the similar packages for the 18 month commitment with Dish + the equipment dish is 19 dollars more total.

By the way my zipcode is 28601.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Looks like you have done your homework and just want someone to agree with you! Great job on your part. Many come here just for answers without doing any searching on their part, first. This is alright too. But you really are the only one that really know your needs and you are going to pay the bills.

I have both D* & E* HD and have posted many times how pleased I am with DISH's HD 29 channels of programing and that I receive all my Locals HD OTA. Also happy with DISH's VIP MPEG4 DVR.

Never would have thought that DISH would be higher over the long run, but when D* adds to their HD programing (Fall 07?) I would think they would increase their fees close to what DISH is now charging for their services.

I only have D* now since I have a large investment in their equipment and do use it everyday to record SD programing and some back-up HD programs. Many are happy to go with and or wait for Directv to "catch-up" to DISH as the HD leader. In you case if Sports is what you are interested in maybe D* should be your choice, however we follow NBA & NASCAR and didn't have to use Directv to enjoy all games that we wanted to watch and record this past season.

On the other hand if you have an investment in HD and really enjoy watching it you would be better suited to go with DISH in my opinion and enjoy it NOW!

In another year there could be a more clear-cut answer than what you may read now. It's not always about the money but enjoyment in what it brings. Kind of like having a $700 optional sun roof on your new car. If you use it and enjoy it, it was worth the price. If not, it was a waist of money. Again just my .02.
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I appreciate both of you responses. The sports i watch mostly are college football and college basketball. I would not subscribe to the NFL Sunday ticket. My only worry is that i will not have great reception over the air. I am about 55 miles from Charlotte if you draw a direct line from my house. Rickaren, is dish's 622 better than D TV's HD DVR? I see and have read about a lot of minor issues with the 622!

Thanks in advance for the help
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packman95 said:
I appreciate both of you responses. The sports i watch mostly are college football and college basketball. I would not subscribe to the NFL Sunday ticket. My only worry is that i will not have great reception over the air. I am about 55 miles from Charlotte if you draw a direct line from my house. Rickaren, is dish's 622 better than D TV's HD DVR? I see and have read about a lot of minor issues with the 622!

Thanks in advance for the help

If you do a search you will find some great comparisons of the two, but to be fair the present Directv Tivo HD MPEG2 DVR is now obsolete and will be replaced with a newer MPEG 4 non-tivo DVR maybe later this year. Why would you care? Well if you can't get Local OTA HD you will need it to receive them from D* What will the up-grade price be and will it be a good DVR? Time will tell.

Always see issues posted on all receivers and DVR's. How many don't have or post their issues? Many units work well with no reported problems. Had a 942 DVR and up-graded it to a VIP MPEG4 622 with install of a DISH 1000 for $299 with a $200 rebate. Really like it and find few if any issues.

Have had DVRs since 1999 and still think many are heat related. I learned after considerable expenses (cool boxes and fans) and replacements that they need a lot of air and can't be put into entertainment centers.

Yes issues on both (check out http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo)
but keep in mind the present Directv HD DVR will NOT pick up HD Locals from D* if available, since it is MPEG2 only.

So just using the DVR as a determining factor could be the wrong way to go. Again good luck and enjoy which ever way you go.

PS You might search and look around and view more comments and view here and in other Discussion Groups (D* & E*) as to what others are doing. It has been well discussed in the last several months. I have used these type of Groups to buy and build and up-grade my present Home Theater and will continue to do so in the future. My paid memberships have more than once keep me from making costly mistakes. Membership is an investment in your future enjoyment, too.
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are the best deals dealing with Dish direct or should i go through another retailer? Also is there anything in particular i should ask for that is better than something that they may try to force on me? Since it is the first time with sat. then i want to get as much as i can and get the correct hardware.
Bruce
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Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
Chances are, they told you about how hard and long it would take for them to place that fiber to your area ... Poles needed to be placed and what not ...
ncted
Chances are, they told you about how hard and long it would take for them to place that fiber to your area ... Poles needed to be placed and what not ...
Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.
Jimbo
Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.
People that Own the poles ?
That would be ATT Or the Power Company depending on the situation ... easily figured out by looking at the Tag on All Poles.
navychop
Or the people who own the poles closest to the house won't let AT&T attach.

Might not be an option, due to easements. I can't see governments allowing public property (easements) for exclusive use by just one company.

I $uppo$e there'$ a way….
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People that Own the poles ?
That would be ATT Or the Power Company depending on the situation ... easily figured out by looking at the Tag on All Poles.
Sorry, Companies or whoever. Power company, cable company, competing phone companies, governments. AT&T sued Nashville a while back because of how pole attachment works there.
Jimbo
Sorry, Companies or whoever. Power company, cable company, competing phone companies, governments. AT&T sued Nashville a while back because of how pole attachment works there.
Really ?
The poles always have a tag on them showing who owns them, up here its either the Power Company or the Phone company ...

edit:
Utility and telephone poles in Nashville, Tennessee are owned primarily by two entities: [1]
  • Nashville Electric Service (NES): Owns approximately 80% of the utility and telephone poles across its Davidson County service area.
    • AT&T: Owns the remaining 20% of the poles (roughly 104,000 poles). [1, 2, 3]
Other telecom and cable providers, such as Comcast or Google Fiber, do not typically own the physical poles; instead, they rent attachment space on NES- or AT&T-owned poles through pole-attachment agreements. [1, 2]
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In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
Jimbo
In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Bruce
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
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Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
Bruce
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Bobby
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
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AZ.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Bruce
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Jimbo
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
Jimbo
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
Jimbo
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Regular$5.399​
Premium$5.899​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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$3.55
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$3.45 in Jane, MO.
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Regular$5.299​
Premium$5.859​
Diesel$7.599​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Crude (combined pricing) is around $90/barrel now, so prices should have, at least, fallen in step with the crude futures.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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ESPN and the College Football Playoff (CFP) have agreed to a 5-year deal to expand the playoff from 12 to 24 teams.

The deal, worth $1.7 billion per ESPN's Heather Dinich, keeps ESPN as the broadcast partner.

The CFP announced the deal on Monday.
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Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.
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Honestly, I would rather see an expanded bracketed playoff system than the current Conference Championship Game + playoff model we're using right now. The Conference Championships essentially allow two teams to beat up on each other, and then both typically are going to end up in the playoffs anyway unless it is one of the weaker or smaller conferences. Let them play it out on the field against others.
Until the Big Ten changed thier alignment, (a couple years ago) ... it was not like that at all, the East side won most years the west side represented the Big Ten, but they may have been the team with the 4th best record ...
They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

The biggest issue with the Conference Now is the Number of TEAMS .... WAY to Many.
It would take 2-3 YEARS to do a round robin where everyone would play one another ... How do you know how good a team is when teams don't play the same teams ?
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They finally changed that, to a single conference ... but yes, in most cases, both teams will get in ... now, its a certain both will get in ...

Surprised you haven't made this claim yet.


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But thing is, a lot of these projects are still moving forward. If they hit snags in TX, Loozianna has open arms
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Stay (Just a Little Bit Longer) - Maurice Williams and the Zodiacs
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Give A Little Bit - Supertramp
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Little Bit O' Soul - Music Explosion
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Soul Man - The Blues Brothers
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Heart Full Of Soul - Rush
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Wireless Joey 4. Yesterday, I noticed a little green dot on a small black field in the upper right hand corner of the screen, regardless of channel, recordings, etc. A restart got rid of it, but I am curious as to what It meant and what I did to get it there.
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The little green dot inside a small black field in the upper right-hand corner of your screen is an Android privacy indicator confirming that the voice remote's microphone is actively listening. Because the Joey 4 runs on an Android
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That's no good
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The green dot on Android TV is supposed to show as long as an app or background service is actively using the microphone or camera. [1, 2]

What Normal Behavior Looks Like
    • When active: It appears (often with a small microphone or camera icon that fades into a simple green dot) the moment a voice search, assistant command, or streaming app requests audio input.
    • When it disappears: It should vanish a few seconds after you finish your command or after the app stops using the microphone. [1]

Why It Might Stay On (Persistent Dot)
If the green dot stays on indefinitely or won't go away, it usually means:
    • An app (such as a voice search tool, media player, or background utility) has a hung process or is keeping the microphone channel open.
    • A remote control or voice-recognition service is stuck. [1]

How to Fix or Check It
    • Restart your TV: Unplug the power cable for about 30 seconds and plug it back in to clear out stuck background apps.
    • Check app permissions: Go to your TV's Settings > Privacy or Device Preferences > Microphone to see which apps have access, and revoke permission for any suspicious or unnecessary apps. [1, 2]
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Its a bug. I had it happen to mine. The mic is not listening, and if your worried about that remove the batteries from your remote as thats where the mic is. :)
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Bobby
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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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CFB, Florida vs Georgia, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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CFB, Wisconsin at Iowa, Saturday 10-31, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona St at BYU, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Alabama at LSU, Saturday 11-7, 12:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.
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CFB, UCLA at Minnesota, Saturday 11-7, 9AM PST, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Iowa at Northwestern, Saturday 11-7, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Texas at LSU, Saturday 11-14, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.
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