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JoeSp
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Last reply · posted in Video Game Reviews & Discussions
In some other post here there have been statements that Nintendo is the console market leader. I would like to share some things with you.

Nintendo has not been the market leader in consoles for the last three generations. They made all their money on the first two generations of video consoles with the Nintendo and the SuperNintendo and with their very popular hand helds. How do I know this ? I used to be in middle management for EB during the late eighties and early ninties. I know how many consoles EB sold and what everybody else was doing.

Nintendo made 80% of their console sales with those two products. They ruled the world and did so with an iron hand. You had to pay rediculous fees to use their cartridge system and they had to agree to your content and they did so to the extreem. When the Sega Genesis came out Nintendo stuck with the cartridge system in the Nintendo64 and they lost their lead period. The Sega Genesis wiped the market and Nintendo64 was a distant second - the main reason was the cheaper cost of game developement with their cartridge and a loosing of game play restrictions. Nintendo stuck to their guns and was trying to bleed game developers and they went south to Sega. That was three generations ago.

Two generations ago Nintendo and Sony were working on a CD system that everyone said would be too expensive and so Nintendo backed out. The rest is history, the Playstation came out and dominated the landscape outselling its nearest competitor 4 to 1. Games for everybody from the hardcore gamer to the youngest kids - a system for everybody. In this generation Nintendo was a distant second. The Nintendo64 did not do well at all and the GameCube was so late in launching that most consider it a last generation console. The Neo-Geo was out about that time but at $600 was too expensive. That price would be around $1100 for a comparison to the PS3's current asking price.

The last generation brought with it something new, adults by the millions were starting to play video games. The Playstation2 and later the Xbox with their FPS, Role-Playing, Action, Fantasy platformers were entering into a world that only the PC gamers had really been playing in. In the process they left the smaller kids out. Parents who wanted good, clean video gaming fun could only look at the Playstation2 and in the later years there was not much that was available or playable by smaller children. The Playstation 2 built on the success of the Playstation, games for everybody except with the addition of DVD. In later years games for the children became harder to find. With the addition of DVD, once again, this was supposed to be too expensive. Now the release point was $299! Who was going to buy these? The Playstation2 became the best selling platform ever! Xbox came in second and Nintendo's Game Cube? -- a very distant third.

Back to Nintendo, they always had the lead in the handheld market. They own this market and continue to own this market. Only the PSP has put a dent in Nintendo's market share in the handheld arena but this is not the console market and thus, these sales can not be used as a comparison of consoles sold period. Nintendo has this market because kids play these things - Nintendo caters to the kiddies - they are not going to lose this market anytime soon. Although Sony's PSP is very popular I don't see the PSP really hurting Nintendo's marketing muscle in the hand held market. Reason that I do not put the hand-helds in the console sales numbers is that these are really two differant markets. When gamers go home they are not spending time with their hand-helds -- they are spending time with their consoles. Two differant markets -- one for traveling and play outside of the home and one for the home -- the console market.

And now for the next generation console what is Nintendo's answer? Wait for it-- wait -- that's right the Wii!!! Nintendo found its niche market with the Wii and they are going to dominate. Small children are not as interested in graphics and sounds as they are in ease of play and pure fun. In in this arena, Nintendo rules. While the Xbox360 and the PS3 slug it out for young and old adults money (competing with the PC gaming market), Nintendo is going after the kiddies' parents' money. And believe me, they will get it.

Xmas of 2007 will see Nintendo with a very comfortable lead in hand helds and a secure market once again in the consoles (maybe 20% here in the US). Analyst had them out of this generation's console market but as usual Nintendo is not giving up the console market yet. Heading into the 2007 Xmas season I think that we will still see the Xbox360 slightly in the lead with the PS3 coming in a strong and gaining second. They might even be in a neck and neck race if the PS3 can get out MGS4, GT-HD and FF for the PS3. These three titles will drive PS3 sales just like Halo3, Gears of War and Mass Effect will drive Xbox360 sales. I just believe that more people will want to play the PS3 titles -- and I could be wrong about that but we will see. Halo has a hugh following ( I bought a Xbox so that I could play this title alone!)

Where small children are concern, the Wii will dominate. Nintendo's console with their unique titles and controllers will be wonderfull for the kids. But once again, you will not see titles on the Nintendo system with alot of adult content and so this system will be purchased primarily for the kids. Most adults will spend their video dollars on the Xbox360 and PS3. And that 18 to 25 market is what really drives the console gaming market. Nintendo is not shooting for this market, they believe that there is a market just as profitable below the 18 to 25 market. The market they see is the 6 to 14 market and they believe they have the right product for that market. So do I , if my kids were still small (they are both adults now) they would be getting a Wii.

My youngest daughter (28) is a player and she prefers in this order, the PC, the PS2, the GameBoy Advance, the orignal Playstation and then the Game Cube. No Xbox here for her. Too much shooting not enough role playing. I asked her if she was getting a Wii. She said she thought about it but she is a big FF fan and the PS3 will be first. When FF comes out for the PS3 she will buy one. She is not sure of the Wii because as she says, if I want to sweat while playing video games I would just go outside and play tennis or something! These are her words not mine. Also her husband is a big GT fan and with the addition of their first HDTV he would like to play GT-HD so the PS3 is first on his list too. I see them getting a Wii as my daughter also likes to play Mario and Zelda too. It depends if Nintendo's hand held plays the same games too.

Sorry, I digress, back on topic. For the first two console generations Nintendo ruled the roost. They sold millions of consoles and smashed the competition. However, as they moved into the handheld market and dominated there too, they stayed too long with proprietary media and too restrictive game restraints and lost their lead in the console market litterally overnight. The last 3 generations has seen Nintendo slide further and further towards the virtual console great beyond. First Sega, then Sony , then Sony and Microsoft about buried Nintendo's console business. If not for Mario and Zelda I believe they would be out of the console business. Gone the way of Sega--left to making great games for everyone elses consoles. BTW, most marketing analysists have thought this for the last two years too. However, Nintendo still has clout with the kiddies!

Because of dominating the hand-held market and seeing that their original market - young children - were being left out more and more with the passing of each newer generations' consoles - Nintendo has found their way back into the console market with the Wii. Will this be enough to put them on top of the console market -- simply no.

As people get older they want better graphics, better sound, more in depth play mechanics, more adult gaming and Nintendo is only willing to go as far as the Wii with their orginal controller mechanics will carry them. This product is directed towards the kids and I believe that Nintendo is only going after that segment of the market and is not interested in adult gaming. For that reason I see Nintendo being strong but not strong enough to get back to the top. Microsoft and Sony are still going to be fighting for that space -- however, with the Wii on the horizon, the piece of the pie has just grown quite abit smaller.:)
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Stargazer
Sometimes its not about how many you sell but how much you can make on each one of them. Nintendo may only have to sell a fraction as many to make the same amount of profit as Sony/X-BOX but I am saying this having no knowledge on how much is really made. Sony/X-BOX does make their money on the games to make up for the loss on the consoles.

I think the wii will be a HIT! If I was to buy another gaming system that would be the one since I could play all the classic games plus the new ones. I had always liked Nintendo when I was young.
JoeSp
Sony recently reported that they made money from their electronics division the last quarter. They not only make money from games but they also make money from DVD sales. The PS2 really made them a killing in Japan as most people did not have a DVD player there until the PS2 came out.

Seeing as the Japanese are way ahead of us in HD TV broadcasting maybe Sony sees this as an oportunity to grab the HD movie market in Japan. Toshiba is definately looking to do the same except that they do not own a movie studio like Sony does.
mwgiii
Nice write up Joe.

One thing I would disagree with is how the new generation will turn out. Nintendo is trying to go a different way with the Wii. Will it work? Who knows but they have gotten the attention of the industry. Red Steel is a M rated FPS launch title from Ubi for the Wii. Square Enix has said it will support the Wii.

Bottom line, no matter what happens, the battle will be fun to watch and should produce some excellent games for us to play on all 3 consoles.
Bunkhouse
Ubisoft announced 7 Wii launch titles

http://wii.ign.com/articles/723/723081p1.html

"August 3, 2006 - Publisher Ubisoft on Thursday morning announced that it would bring seven new games to Nintendo's Wii console in time for the system's launch. The company's seven Wii efforts include the previously revealed Red Steel and Rayman Raving Rabbids, as well as Far Cry, Blazing Angels, Open Season, Monster 4x4: World Circuit, and an exclusive new racer called GT Pro Series"

Meanwhile on PS3, Atari will not release any titles this year and SNK won't untill 2009.

"For us, for manufacturers, we have to invest in a new system, and the PlayStation 3 is a risk. There won't be enough consoles at launch. Few consoles mean few software sales. We need to wait three or four years. Maybe 2009-2010 is a good time to release a game for the PS3." -SNK
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As I said a week ago, AFAIK Nintendo still leads the combined sales by far (# of units). I don't really see what's so surprising: they sell zillions of handhelds, alone probably more than their competitiors together, I guess - that should be more than enough to offset GC's limited US success.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I LIKE It LIKE THAT-The Dave Clark Five
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Continuing the Kilauea thread in the Pub here. Perhaps the Iceland one too next time there's remarkable activity.

Currently there is precursory lava flowing into the crater, leading to the next episode that'll probably start within the next day.

You can see the pace of inflation / deflation here. It serves as the primary predictor for when the expect the eruptions, which coincide w/ inflation turning into significant deflation and last for several hours on average with significant fountaining.



View: https://youtu.be/Uecu2seh4b4


Wife and I like the AfarTV feeds, for the discussion along w/ them, though they're otherwise just mirrors of the official USGS feeds.


View: https://youtu.be/iws3rh5vLAQ
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Oooo, quite the show now. All three vents have doming and overflows. The cone that built up around the North vent lost its upper quarter at 02:50 Oct 17 and is now spewing lava at a healthy rate. Don't know if I would say it's a fountain, but it's close.


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edit: The USGS has called the official start of Episode 55 as starting at 03:19 HST Oct 17, 2026:

Alert Level: WATCH, Color Code: ORANGE 2026-10-17 13:43:56 UTC
HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice

Volcano: Kilauea (VNUM #332010)

Current Volcano Alert Level: WATCH
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE

Issued: Saturday, October 17, 2026, 3:43 AM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Notice Number: 2026/H488
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawaii

Summary: Episode 55 of the ongoing Halemaʻumaʻu eruption began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Volcanic Activity:
Episode 55 of lava fountaining in Halemaʻumaʻu began at the summit of Kīlauea began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Fountain heights are relatively low at about 100-150 feet (30-45 m), and it is not clear whether this episode will evolve to the same heights as previous episodes. Continuous overflows from the vents began yesterday, October 16, just before 6 a.m. HST and transitioned into episode 55 fountains at 3:19 a.m. HST this morning. The current forecast is for winds are blowing from the north-northeast direction, which suggests that volcanic gas emissions and volcanic material may be distributed to the south-southwest direction from Halemaʻumaʻu.
  • All eruptive vents and lava flows are confined to Halemaʻumaʻu crater within Hawaiʻi Volcanoes National Park. Tephra fall from volcanic ash clouds is greatest within 3 miles (5 km) of the vents, lighter ash and Pele's Hair may stay suspended for large distances from the vents.
Foxbat
Kīlauea seems to be returning to the "normal" eruption script, impressive fountaining from the North Vent. For once, the V2 Cam has the best overall shot:
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The lava flows have covered a good portion of the Halemaʻumaʻu crater floor.
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Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

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Come September (1961)
Rock Hudson and Gina Lollobrigida with Sandra Dee and Bobby Darin
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Simple, charming. Entire premise is quite silly but Cary Grant carries it across the line in good fashion.
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Last: The Social Reckoning. Spoiler alert, they make Zuck look like a...
Foxbat
Since it was already "paid" for, I spent the two hours of my time watching the John Cena action movie on Apple TV, "Matchbox The Movie" even though the reviews were brutal. It was better than I expected, so I didn't feel like I had wasted an afternoon watching it. But it felt like another "Reacher"/"Neghley"/"Mission: Impossible"/"Fast & Furious" crash and blow stuff up with lots of automatic gunfire mixed in movie featuring covert CIA operatives.

I don't think we'll get a follow-up movie from this. I expect Mattel will have other toy lines to exploit.
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Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
Who says dinner or lunch has to be the only good meals of the day?

Honey butter grits with scrambled eggs and grilled boneless pork ribs on flakey biscuits washed down with cranberry juice.
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Egg, sausage and cheese sandwich between bread toasted in butter in skillet... Chocolate milk.
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Egg, sausage and cheese sandwich between bread toasted in butter in skillet... Chocolate milk.
Add fresh hash browns, delete chocolate for milk with a slice of bacon.
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Bacon, eggs, hash browns and toast. Coffee.
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Wound up at the Waffle House this morning. Got the two egg breakfast with coffee.

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Speaking of waffles, I'm going to put my mini waffle iron on stove so I'll remember to make waffles in the morning... Had some last week, been awhile.
dfergie
Dos cackleberrys over easy on top of 2 corned beef hash patties fried in skillet... Chocolate milk.
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Anyone making their own breakfast sausage? I've recently been trying different recipes, found some I like, some I've modified...
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Bob Evans Sage.
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Bob Evans Sage.
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
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Swaggerty's isn't too bad, sausage prices are lower per lb than making my own from pork butts right now so I've been buying JC Potter or Owen lately.
(Swaggerty's at Sam's is pre cut, I usually partially freeze the rolls and cut with my slicer and vacuum seal on parchment paper)
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I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
amazon maybe :what
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I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
owens on amazon is 54.99 for a 4 pk 16 oz a sausage. i feel that's kind of steep!!!
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Swaggerty's isn't too bad, sausage prices are lower per lb than making my own from pork butts right now so I've been buying JC Potter or Owen lately.
(Swaggerty's at Sam's is pre cut, I usually partially freeze the rolls and cut with my slicer and vacuum seal on parchment paper)
id'e rather make my own vs store bought.
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owens on amazon is 54.99 for a 4 pk 16 oz a sausage. i feel that's kind of steep!!!
Especially when I can get a two pound roll of Jimmy Dean from Sam's Club for $7.38.
dfergie
They run Owens at $3.99 for lb and $7.99 a couple times a month at some grocery stores here, I actually was wrong, just checked a pork sirloin roast it was $1.99 a lb. (cooked it yesterday so pack was in trash)
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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KAB
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.
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I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.
I'm curious how they are going to implement Tony into Origins (If they do) ...
Tony was introduced to Gibbs and the team, on NCIS, which makes it the Mothership side of things, he worked in Baltimore prior to NCIS, NO mention when they met that anyone had known one another ...