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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
I posted earlier regarding not being able to pick up most digital OTA signals in the DFW area of Texas. I have a DirecTV HR10-250 satellite receiver.

Previously, the only major digital station I was able to get with my 'old' antenna was 8-1 (ABC).

When I tested signal strength a couple of days ago, I found that I was now able to bring in all stations except 11-1 (CBS and 13-1 (PBS). So, miraculously, I now had 4-1 (Fox) and 5-1 (NBC) as well as 8-1.

I ordered a CM4228 from Warren Electronics; it arrived today.

I hooked it up in the attic and tested it.

I found I could get all digital stations except 11-1 (CBS) and 13-1 (PBS) - just the same as I was finally able to get from the old antenna.

I guess my questions are:

1 - I suppose it is no use hooking up any kind of amplifier, as it can only amplify a signal that is already there. I get no signal strength on the channels I still want to receive. Is that right?

2 - All the digital channels are at 22-23 miles away. Is there a big difference in the strength of signal that each station broadcasts at?

3 - How critical is the direction the antenna is pointed in? Funnily enough, the channels I get are at either at 156 degrees or 157 degrees. The two I can't get are both at 154 degrees.

4 - Will it make much of a difference if I install the antenna outdoors? I am reluctant to do this, but if it will get me those other digital channels....

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks.
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Rick0725
before going to a preamp, it is best to address your 25 signal strength issue in your current set up.

need more information please so we can diagnose your setup.

zip code

-construction materials of home surrounding the attic area....aluminum siding, stucco, wood, metal ductwork, type of insulaion on the walls. etc.

-length of coax and type of coax from antenna to the tv tuner...rg 59, rg6

-if you are connecting to an older prewired set up...condition of the connectors...observation of what the inside of the connecter looks like.

-Antenna aiming...getting the impression here that you are trying all sorts of different directions during the antenna peaking process. The only best direction is aiming the bowties on the cm4228 to the direction of the towers. Enter your exact address at antenna web, get a compass heading, and aim the bowties in that direction.

-experiment with heigth off the floor.

I am going to mention it again.

Peak your antenna on your weakest uhf channel between 154 and 157 degrees on the compass if that is the heading with your exact address. We are not talking large movements. A few degrees at a time.

Since you are having difficulty with digital, take a look at analog pictures to get your bearings. Notice if there is any ghosting (multipath) or snow (weak signal or attenuation caused by connection or cable issues) in the analog picture.

Move the antenna in small movements a few degrees at a time. step away and look at the picture. Touching the antenna and close proximity of your body to the antenna will affect signal and your results. Be patient.

Adjust the ghost out of the picture if you notice some.

Once you clean up the signal on analog then go to digital and peak the antenna slightly there.

To be honest with you...the towers are only a few degrees apart. The cm4228 has a beamwidth of much more that that and you should not need to move the antenna much to improve the situation there.

subject of note...multipath
Multipath tends to be frequency specific...If the tower is at 154 degrees...and the picture is best at say 165 degrees (since you are peaking on a refection with multipath) its going to screw up the results of the other channels...and this can drive you NUTS!

But you also need to examine the other issues mentioned...cable, connectors, connection, splitting.etc.

If you turn the antenna more than 10 degrees or so to lessen ghosting, you have severe multipath in the attic environment and need to get the antenna outside.

It is always a good idea to install a rotor to get yourself out of a jam on bad signal days even if the towers are just a few degrees apart. This is much better than going on the roof or in the attic everytime.

You turn the antenna from your couch while looking at a picture and/or signal strength meter...lnstead of going to the roof, dragging out the ladder, getting insulation all over you, sweating your ass off, using walkie talkies, asking your honey, getting aggrevated, etc.

Interesting concept isn't it.
J
Just quickly (esp. for Rick0725):

I used a new cable - it didn't make a difference.

My zip is 76051.
J
oh, for techpuppy:

I will try tilting the antenna up.
Rick0725
I used a new cable - it didn't make a difference.

My zip is 76051.

angle up or experiment with heigth off the floor...

you should NOT have the results you are seeing ... 25 signal...with these antenna web results.

* yellow - uhf KDTN-DT 2.1 DAY DENTON TX 159° 27.9 43
* yellow - vhf WFAA-DT 8.1 ABC DALLAS TX 160° 24.9 9
* yellow - uhf KXAS-DT 5.1 NBC FORT WORTH TX 159° 25.0 41
* yellow - uhf KXTX-DT 40.1 TEL DALLAS TX 159° 25.0 40
* yellow - uhf KTVT-DT 11.1 CBS FORT WORTH TX 157° 25.7 19
* yellow - uhf KTXA-DT 21.1 IND FORT WORTH TX 159° 28.0 18
* yellow - uhf KSTR-DT 49.1 UNI IRVING TX 159° 28.0 48
* yellow - uhf KPXD-DT 68.1 i ARLINGTON TX 159° 24.5 42
* yellow - uhf KUVN-DT 23.1 UNI GARLAND TX 159° 24.7 24
* yellow - uhf KDAF-DT 33.1 CW DALLAS TX 159° 28.0 32
* yellow - uhf KDFW-DT 4.1 FOX DALLAS TX 160° 24.9 35
* yellow - uhf KERA-DT 13.1 PBS DALLAS TX 157° 25.7 14
* yellow - uhf KFWD-DT 52.1 IND FORT WORTH TX 158° 24.7 51

Enter your exact address on antenna web and point the bowties in that direction and follow my suggestions.

keep in mind the following...home construction materials, poor connectors, corrosion etc. can severely degrade signal

If construction materials are the issue ...aluminum siding, foil back insulation, stucco...the antenna will need to go outside for best results.

peak on analog first to get your bearings...check for ghosting (multipath) and snow (weak signal) and go from there after you check your connectors, etc. This will offer your first clues of why you are having poor performance issues on digital.
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I installed my CM 4228 in the attic and have had terrific reception (broadcast facilities about 20-25miles away). But I was prepared to put up outside if my reception was crappy (I have a Dish 622). You do have to aim the antenna.
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It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. :eek

Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.

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I guess America can't afford 10 year autoloans
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I guess America can't afford 10 year autoloans
I'm pretty sure the most you can get is seven.

What America can't afford is the payments on $80,000+ pickups and SUVs and $40,000+ crossovers.
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Patrick Stewart died yesterday, October 28th at the age of 86. We lost yet another great actor. :(

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This should hit a lot of folks with a dose of reality. I can only imagine how much more common this will get as AI progresses.

I read several stories on this and most are clear as mud. They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole. I guess time will tell if either of these statements are actually true.

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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

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Starting a thread klang !

After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.

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Finished season 3 last night. Still one of my favorite shows.

Anyone else wonder if there might be something else going on with Callum? Seems to me he has too much access to Russian intelligence.
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One episode into season 4 that dropped today...

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Renewed for season 5.
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Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!
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Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!
Great ending, but it ran in circles most of the season.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Almighty1
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
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