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I posted earlier regarding not being able to pick up most digital OTA signals in the DFW area of Texas. I have a DirecTV HR10-250 satellite receiver.

Previously, the only major digital station I was able to get with my 'old' antenna was 8-1 (ABC).

When I tested signal strength a couple of days ago, I found that I was now able to bring in all stations except 11-1 (CBS and 13-1 (PBS). So, miraculously, I now had 4-1 (Fox) and 5-1 (NBC) as well as 8-1.

I ordered a CM4228 from Warren Electronics; it arrived today.

I hooked it up in the attic and tested it.

I found I could get all digital stations except 11-1 (CBS) and 13-1 (PBS) - just the same as I was finally able to get from the old antenna.

I guess my questions are:

1 - I suppose it is no use hooking up any kind of amplifier, as it can only amplify a signal that is already there. I get no signal strength on the channels I still want to receive. Is that right?

2 - All the digital channels are at 22-23 miles away. Is there a big difference in the strength of signal that each station broadcasts at?

3 - How critical is the direction the antenna is pointed in? Funnily enough, the channels I get are at either at 156 degrees or 157 degrees. The two I can't get are both at 154 degrees.

4 - Will it make much of a difference if I install the antenna outdoors? I am reluctant to do this, but if it will get me those other digital channels....

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks.
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Rick0725
before going to a preamp, it is best to address your 25 signal strength issue in your current set up.

need more information please so we can diagnose your setup.

zip code

-construction materials of home surrounding the attic area....aluminum siding, stucco, wood, metal ductwork, type of insulaion on the walls. etc.

-length of coax and type of coax from antenna to the tv tuner...rg 59, rg6

-if you are connecting to an older prewired set up...condition of the connectors...observation of what the inside of the connecter looks like.

-Antenna aiming...getting the impression here that you are trying all sorts of different directions during the antenna peaking process. The only best direction is aiming the bowties on the cm4228 to the direction of the towers. Enter your exact address at antenna web, get a compass heading, and aim the bowties in that direction.

-experiment with heigth off the floor.

I am going to mention it again.

Peak your antenna on your weakest uhf channel between 154 and 157 degrees on the compass if that is the heading with your exact address. We are not talking large movements. A few degrees at a time.

Since you are having difficulty with digital, take a look at analog pictures to get your bearings. Notice if there is any ghosting (multipath) or snow (weak signal or attenuation caused by connection or cable issues) in the analog picture.

Move the antenna in small movements a few degrees at a time. step away and look at the picture. Touching the antenna and close proximity of your body to the antenna will affect signal and your results. Be patient.

Adjust the ghost out of the picture if you notice some.

Once you clean up the signal on analog then go to digital and peak the antenna slightly there.

To be honest with you...the towers are only a few degrees apart. The cm4228 has a beamwidth of much more that that and you should not need to move the antenna much to improve the situation there.

subject of note...multipath
Multipath tends to be frequency specific...If the tower is at 154 degrees...and the picture is best at say 165 degrees (since you are peaking on a refection with multipath) its going to screw up the results of the other channels...and this can drive you NUTS!

But you also need to examine the other issues mentioned...cable, connectors, connection, splitting.etc.

If you turn the antenna more than 10 degrees or so to lessen ghosting, you have severe multipath in the attic environment and need to get the antenna outside.

It is always a good idea to install a rotor to get yourself out of a jam on bad signal days even if the towers are just a few degrees apart. This is much better than going on the roof or in the attic everytime.

You turn the antenna from your couch while looking at a picture and/or signal strength meter...lnstead of going to the roof, dragging out the ladder, getting insulation all over you, sweating your ass off, using walkie talkies, asking your honey, getting aggrevated, etc.

Interesting concept isn't it.
J
Just quickly (esp. for Rick0725):

I used a new cable - it didn't make a difference.

My zip is 76051.
J
oh, for techpuppy:

I will try tilting the antenna up.
Rick0725
I used a new cable - it didn't make a difference.

My zip is 76051.

angle up or experiment with heigth off the floor...

you should NOT have the results you are seeing ... 25 signal...with these antenna web results.

* yellow - uhf KDTN-DT 2.1 DAY DENTON TX 159° 27.9 43
* yellow - vhf WFAA-DT 8.1 ABC DALLAS TX 160° 24.9 9
* yellow - uhf KXAS-DT 5.1 NBC FORT WORTH TX 159° 25.0 41
* yellow - uhf KXTX-DT 40.1 TEL DALLAS TX 159° 25.0 40
* yellow - uhf KTVT-DT 11.1 CBS FORT WORTH TX 157° 25.7 19
* yellow - uhf KTXA-DT 21.1 IND FORT WORTH TX 159° 28.0 18
* yellow - uhf KSTR-DT 49.1 UNI IRVING TX 159° 28.0 48
* yellow - uhf KPXD-DT 68.1 i ARLINGTON TX 159° 24.5 42
* yellow - uhf KUVN-DT 23.1 UNI GARLAND TX 159° 24.7 24
* yellow - uhf KDAF-DT 33.1 CW DALLAS TX 159° 28.0 32
* yellow - uhf KDFW-DT 4.1 FOX DALLAS TX 160° 24.9 35
* yellow - uhf KERA-DT 13.1 PBS DALLAS TX 157° 25.7 14
* yellow - uhf KFWD-DT 52.1 IND FORT WORTH TX 158° 24.7 51

Enter your exact address on antenna web and point the bowties in that direction and follow my suggestions.

keep in mind the following...home construction materials, poor connectors, corrosion etc. can severely degrade signal

If construction materials are the issue ...aluminum siding, foil back insulation, stucco...the antenna will need to go outside for best results.

peak on analog first to get your bearings...check for ghosting (multipath) and snow (weak signal) and go from there after you check your connectors, etc. This will offer your first clues of why you are having poor performance issues on digital.
L
I installed my CM 4228 in the attic and have had terrific reception (broadcast facilities about 20-25miles away). But I was prepared to put up outside if my reception was crappy (I have a Dish 622). You do have to aim the antenna.
tornado
Pub Member / Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
My Joey 4 is installed on a bedroom tv.

The diamond buttons had been reset.

I thought this was unusual.

I had to reprogram the double diamond button for PIP which I watch.

No problem.

PIP feature on the Joey 4 had been used to watch two channels at once which I thought was the limitation being only two channels vs.Hopper 3's multi-view four channels.


This time when I selected the PIP feature I noticed an option for Multi-View?


Could this be?


Yes it could.

This software update does this.

Multi-view PIP (4 channels) Is Now Available on Joey 4.

This is freaking awesome and very surprising!!!

Very wonderful for me.
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Almighty1
Received this e-mail 3 days ago... At the bottom, it says limited to one Multi-view session per household. How does it work if someone had Hopper 3, Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Wired Joey 4 and a Wireless Joey 4 for example? Can they all do Multi-view session at the same time?

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charlesrshell
Received this e-mail 3 days ago... At the bottom, it says limited to one Multi-view session per household. How does it work if someone had Hopper 3, Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Wired Joey 4 and a Wireless Joey 4 for example? Can they all do Multi-view session at the same time?

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I have all them there models. I know for sure they all have multi-view, but I have not tried them all out at the same time. Wife has the H3+ in use right now. I will try it out tomorrow & report back.
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Seems confusing; 4k Joey does 4k but Joey 4 does not...
Bobby
Seems confusing; 4k Joey does 4k but Joey 4 does not...
It's pretty much the reverse of that.
Foxbat
My 4K Joey has played 4K, just not 4K HDR.
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I have all them there models. I know for sure they all have multi-view, but I have not tried them all out at the same time. Wife has the H3+ in use right now. I will try it out tomorrow & report back.
I tried out multi-view on my Hopper 3, Joey 4, and Wireless Joey 4 at the same time. H3 multi-view works good but not the Joeys. Only one Joey works at a time (see pic). Also, the Joey's multi-view is not working this morning. It starts out multi-view but then goes out of multi-view mode. It worked yesterday. Did not test my Hopper 3 Plus. Wife is using it again.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
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jsmit86
I just got notice of my July bill, going up by over $60.
Probably my 2 year just lapsed.

Sent an email to my dish contact. Hopefully he can get it back down.
I'd like to stay with dish mostly because it's easy to use for my tech challenged wife, but also for some of the cool features, like PIP and MultiView.

I also have access to YouTube TV through a family plan, which I use sometimes.
That could be the fallback if the price can't get down to my current level, although training my wife to use that may be too much to ask. 😬
Bruce
Sent an email to my dish contact. Hopefully he can get it back down.
I'd like to stay with dish mostly because it's easy to use for my tech challenged wife, but also for some of the cool features, like PIP and MultiView.

I also have access to YouTube TV through a family plan, which I use sometimes.
That could be the fallback if the price can't get down to my current level, although training my wife to use that may be too much to ask. 😬
My late wife had early onset dementia, she was easily able to figure out YTTV.
jsmit86
My late wife had early onset dementia, she was easily able to figure out YTTV.
To put it in perspective.... She can't figure out how to connect to Wi-Fi on her iPhone unless I help her. This is for saved profiles! 🤦‍♂️

She will look at the cellular signal display on the phone...."See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

A few hours later....
"See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

Another few hours later....
Rinse and repeat.
Bobby
To put it in perspective.... She can't figure out how to connect to Wi-Fi on her iPhone unless I help her. This is for saved profiles! 🤦‍♂️

She will look at the cellular signal display on the phone...."See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

A few hours later....
"See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

Another few hours later....
Rinse and repeat.
My iPhone auto joins my home wifi whenever I am in the vicinity. It remembers other wifis that I have joined in the past and auto joins them as well. It is very easy to set up.
navychop
Yep. But if you hide your SSID, you may need to log in each time.
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To put it in perspective.... She can't figure out how to connect to Wi-Fi on her iPhone unless I help her. This is for saved profiles! 🤦‍♂️

She will look at the cellular signal display on the phone...."See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

A few hours later....
"See... I only have one bar on Wi-Fi!"
Me: Honey that's not Wi-Fi, that's your cellular connection. (Shows her how to connect, and look at the Wi-Fi display....)

Another few hours later....
Rinse and repeat.
Have you had her checked for dementia by chance? Or is this just typical woman tech challenged. My wife is tech challenged like a mother. I can show her how to use something and she will yell at me across the house my phone won't connect to the wifi! Show her again and the same thing the very next day. My aunt is 11 years older than me and she is also tech challenged. I hated getting phone calls from out of state from her saying my computer is messed up what do I do? I said stop using one. So she bought an expensive lap top and still can't figure out how to use it. Some people you can't help. You just have to be their ongoing tech support. :cool:
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my android phone auto connects to my wifi weather at home or out and about.. as long as my passwords programed into it.. same as with all of my devices!!!
zippyfrog
So...I got my bill today, and it is NOT what I was expecting. As I mentioned earlier, there was that $5 charge for "Access for TV", and then I was given a 3 month courtesy credit to balance it out due to a glitch. The glitch was resolved and now I am saving $5.

However, on my account, there is an additional one-time courtesy credit of $9. That is a really random number for a courtesy credit. That $9 lines up with the cost built into each package for the initial receiver access to programming.

I am also being given a $5 courtesy credit for 6 months. It looks like multiple people tried to fix my account - which it is nice to have the courtesy credits.

But at the same time - I do think that "Access for TV" $5 was not truly a glitch and is something that is going to be showing up at some point in the future.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I know this is for Dish TV service but was wondering if anyone has gone from Verizon to the Dish Boost Mobile cell phone service and would you recommend it.
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navychop
CDLs are in BIG demand. Ever notice how close to 100% of OTR trucks have hiring signs on them?
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CDLs are in BIG demand. Ever notice how close to 100% of OTR trucks have hiring signs on them?
That's because the one good thing the administration is doing is finally going after the fake and non-domiciled CDL drivers, opening the door to hire more valid drivers and hopefully will push the rates back up.
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That's because the one good thing the administration is doing is finally going after the fake and non-domiciled CDL drivers, opening the door to hire more valid drivers and hopefully will push the rates back up.
now let's get rid of the piss tanks and tampons off of diesels aka emissions crap since it can bankrupt someone!!! and get rid of ELD'S since they make some drivers drive like idiots trying to find a parking spot. starter mega carriers should not allow new drivers to train that's just a way for em to move cheap freight..
HipKat
now let's get rid of the piss tanks and tampons off of diesels aka emissions crap since it can bankrupt someone!!! and get rid of ELD'S since they make some drivers drive like idiots trying to find a parking spot. starter mega carriers should not allow new drivers to train that's just a way for em to move cheap freight..
And when they get rid of driver-facing cameras, they'll start to attract the prototypical truck driver back to the industry.
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And when they get rid of driver-facing cameras, they'll start to attract the prototypical truck driver back to the industry.
i own my own truck i don't have none of that crap :biggrin just an outward facing cam for a**holes in 4 wheelers and the break checker's
HipKat
i own my own truck i don't have none of that crap :biggrin just an outward facing cam for a**holes in 4 wheelers and the break checker's
I thought about just buying my own, but goddang. I bought a nice 2000 W900L in 2004 for $52K. New they were just over 100K. Now, a new KW W990 is over $300,000.00
I couldn't afford a new one, but used truck prices are just as crazy
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My brother knows a source for lower cost used. They're automatics, if don't mind giving up shifting for self
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I thought about just buying my own, but goddang. I bought a nice 2000 W900L in 2004 for $52K. New they were just over 100K. Now, a new KW W990 is over $300,000.00
I couldn't afford a new one, but used truck prices are just as crazy
This is still true to this day. The w9's are going for 235.00k to 300k!!! but goddang id''e spend it on a kitty whopper over a frieghtshacker castacrap!!! I only buy new so i can get the manual trans and delete all of the safety crap like adaptive cruise and lane departure warning and all of that crap as that will have you pulling your hair out. truck prices are still crazy today!! and in my line of work i need a 170 inch sleeper since i can't park in choke and pukes or walmarts ;). right now heavy haul is big with all of the AI data centers if your into flat bedding!!! my wife is already looking for our second truck. i just cringe when she shows me LMFAO :biggrin
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My brother knows a source for lower cost used. They're automatics, if don't mind giving up shifting for self
i know someone that's going to retire he's selling his truck' it has 200k miles on it with an 18 speed and cummings x15 with a 156 inch bunk year is a 2024, there's deals to be found and had out there!!!
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I thought about just buying my own, but goddang. I bought a nice 2000 W900L in 2004 for $52K. New they were just over 100K. Now, a new KW W990 is over $300,000.00
I couldn't afford a new one, but used truck prices are just as crazy
have you tried looking for an O/O that's going into retirement? sometimes you can get a good deal and the owner will work with you as far as financing they act as the bank when your done paying it off then they give you the title. the truck along with it's depreciation are tax write off's!!!
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This is still true to this day. The w9's are going for 235.00k to 300k!!! but goddang id''e spend it on a kitty whopper over a frieghtshacker castacrap!!! I only buy new so i can get the manual trans and delete all of the safety crap like adaptive cruise and lane departure warning and all of that crap as that will have you pulling your hair out. truck prices are still crazy today!! and in my line of work i need a 170 inch sleeper since i can't park in choke and pukes or walmarts ;). right now heavy haul is big with all of the AI data centers if your into flat bedding!!! my wife is already looking for our second truck. i just cringe when she shows me LMFAO :biggrin

Heh! I understood some of that! ;)
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Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
With the 1st Quarter Report just released, Dish lost another 180,000, now at 4.84 Million.

Sling now at 1.79 million subscribers, down approximately 190,000.

For comparison, YouTube TV now has about double the subscribers of Dish and Sling combined.

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Scott Greczkowski
I think the way we will see things go (my crystal ball) is Dish will buy DIRECTV and then Elon will buy Dish.
Bruce
I think the way we will see things go (my crystal ball) is Dish will buy DIRECTV and then Elon will buy Dish.
Why would Musk even want them?

Why would anyone pay anything for two providers that lose a million or more subscribers every year each?
MikeD-C05
I think the way we will see things go (my crystal ball) is Dish will buy DIRECTV and then Elon will buy Dish.
Why would Elon want DISH? Really curious on that one and the answer. Is Charlie talking retirement and wants out?
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Scott Greczkowski
Why would Elon want DISH? Really curious on that one and the answer. Is Charlie talking retirement and wants out?
Lots of satellite spectrum, many national data that will be working for a long long time, lots of technology and patients that Dish owns etc.

If you watch closely Dish is working to accumulate new satellite technologies which would be perfect in Elons pocket and they are able to buy them without much scrutiny like they would probably have if Elon purchased them.

Lots of money is already being thrown at Dish by Elon. What money is he throwing at DIRECTV?
Bruce
Lots of satellite spectrum, many national data that will be working for a long long time, lots of technology and patients that Dish owns etc.
And again, how does that show he wants Dish TV?

How would that be good for Dish TV?
Lots of money is already being thrown at Dish by Elon. What money is he throwing at DIRECTV?
For the spectrum, not for the Television part of Echostar.
Scott Greczkowski
And again, how does that show he wants Dish TV?
Because he keeps investing in them.

Dish was almost bankrupt but now is smooth sailing due to Elon money.

Keep watching. :)
MikeD-C05
Because he keeps investing in them.

Dish was almost bankrupt but now is smooth sailing due to Elon money.

Keep watching. :)
I wish I knew what you knew about this, behind the scenes. How much have you got invested in DISH /Echostar? ;)
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charlesrshell
Why would Musk even want them?

Why would anyone pay anything for two providers that lose a million or more subscribers every year each?
Maybe Elon thinks satellite TV will do a come back. I bet he has a Hopper 3 and loves it. Apps keep going up on prices and you need more than one app to see everything you want to see. I think Satellite is the way to go.
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If they could just get the dish size down
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dishdude
If they could just get the dish size down

They're back down to the 20" Dish 500
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navychop
I thought 19".
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charlesrshell
I thought 19".
Here is a list of Dish reflector sizes I made up long time ago. I think it is still accurate.
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Bruce
Maybe Elon thinks satellite TV will do a come back. I bet he has a Hopper 3 and loves it. Apps keep going up on prices
And so does Satellite/ Cable TV, but it is still a lot less expensive with the streaming services, along with a lot more new content and the better video/sound quality.

and you need more than one app to see everything you want to see. I think Satellite is the way to go.
Why is that a big deal?

In today's world, you still need multiple services to watch new content, for example, even if you have Dish, you still need Paramount+ to watch Landman, Dutton, Star Trek, etc, etc.
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Scott Greczkowski
I wish I knew what you knew about this, behind the scenes. How much have you got invested in DISH /Echostar? ;)
Zero. :)
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Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D9S, D16
@103W.... D10, D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​



See also

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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The World Cup Experience Mixes will be going live Wednesday on channels 205-1 and 407-1 for the simultaneous matches in the group stage. (Although there's a good chance there will be a simultaneous match tonight as severe storms are predicted to hit Philly during France/Iraq)

The U.S. Open channels have been removed
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FOX, Telemundo and LIVE4K (FOX Sports 4K 1) will have the remainder of France/Iraq

FS1, Universo and LIVE4K3 (FOX Sports 4K 3) will have the start of Norway/Senegal and will be joined in progress on FOX/Tel/LIVE4K when the early game finishes

Jordan/Algeria is scheduled for 11pm ET on FS1, Telemundo and LIVE4K2 (FOX Sports 4K 2)

LIVE4K4 currently has CHSN's telecast of Guardian's @ White Sox
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Jun 24 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Jun 24 2026 vs Jun 17 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

2 Transponders cleared of all Streams::
Net 0 TID 13 Beam NAT + PR is a National Transponder on D16@101, TPN 14
Net 15 TID 124 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D15@103cb, TPN 1


Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
HD​
272​
2​
1397​
SD mpeg4
144​
188​
SD mpeg2
438​
RB​
Audio​
89​
Push​
26​
Slate​
19​
1​
TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
HD​
1​
1​
SD mpeg4
SD mpeg2
RB​
Engr Work​
25​
-17​


The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
More remapping
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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Weekly Analysis for 6/24/2026:
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US Open out, World Cup in

Targetted Offers now live:
9755 SPORTS - Sports pack for one month free

Targetted Offers testing:
9751 *MOVIE - Rent a Movie on Us!
9753 *APPLE

A bunch of TPN reshuffles
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I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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2026-06 Security Update (KB5094126) Builds: 26200.8655 and 26100.8695 and 2026-06 .NET 80.28 for x64 Client (KB5097149) and 2026-06 .NET Security Update Builds: 26200.8655 and 261`00.8655 (KB509426) have been released. Moderate time needed for those choosing to perform a manual download/install/restart. Quality improvements only. No new operating system features.
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2026-06 Security Update (KB5094126) Builds: 26200.8655 and 26100.8695 and 2026-06 .NET 80.28 for x64 Client (KB5097149) and 2026-06 .NET Security Update Builds: 26200.8655 and 261`00.8655 (KB509426) have been released. Moderate time needed for those choosing to perform a manual download/install/restart. Quality improvements only. No new operating system features.
My Win10 desktop was freezing all the time and two different guys told me probably needed a new HHD. I am OLD and finally after two days got 10 re-installed. Then I would selet to do update's would lock up. Maybe i should have let it do them at night. I have shut off updates for 30 days to see how it runs. Seems to be running fine but what will happen if it does not update. It was my understanding MS was not going to support them but when i did the new install it gave me the option for them to continue for 6 more months.
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My Win10 desktop was freezing all the time and two different guys told me probably needed a new HHD. I am OLD and finally after two days got 10 re-installed. Then I would selet to do update's would lock up. Maybe i should have let it do them at night. I have shut off updates for 30 days to see how it runs. Seems to be running fine but what will happen if it does not update. It was my understanding MS was not going to support them but when i did the new install it gave me the option for them to continue for 6 more months.
Why not Win 11?? Why stick with an OS that's losing support?? Win 11 isn't my main OS, but it's not the boogieman people said it was when it first came out
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Why stick with an OS that's losing support??
For me, it is mostly about the abject failure Microsoft's "support" has turned out to be. Their "support" has been at least as much of a millstone as a life preserver. This behavior on Microsoft's part arguably shouldn't be "supported".

The last "Patch Tuesday" (June 9) laundry list included 200 issues, including five known zero-days and one exploited zero-day. There were 38 "critical" vulnerabilities, including 28 Remote Code Executions, four Elevation of Privileges, and an Information Disclosure.

Among all "threat level" classes:
  • 65 Elevation of Privilege Vulnerabilities
  • 19 Security Feature Bypass Vulnerabilities
  • 55 Remote Code Execution Vulnerabilities
  • 30 Information Disclosure Vulnerabilities
  • 7 Denial of Service Vulnerabilities
  • 27 Spoofing Vulnerabilities
According to Bleeping Computer, users who are up-to-date with Windows 11 may experience problems (that don't throw an error) with third-party applications trying to open Office applications using OLE -- a core feature of Office since 1990.

Just yesterday, with the help of a one-man, third-party support site for Windows, I was able to get past a Windows Extended Security Updates activation error that has been plaguing me since October. The fix involved changing an obscurely-named registry entry from one to zero.

I still haven't figured out why Windows thinks I'm enrolled in the Windows Insider Program and, if I am, under what Microsoft account.
HipKat
I read all that stuff, and I feel like blah blah, whatever. I use Windows about 40% of the time now, for work-related things I need Windows for, and none of that stuff affects anything I do. And that includes web browsing and posting forums just like this one.
As for Insider Program, have you checked in Windows Update under the Insider tab to make sure? That's where you join and leave the program
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As for Insider Program, have you checked in Windows Update under the Insider tab to make sure? That's where you join and leave the program
That's where it shows that I'm part of the program. One must log into the associated Microsoft account to opt out of the program.

Many, if not most, users have access to only one computer and can't fall back on another for their secure transactions.

I maintain a Windows 10 machine specifically to do my income taxes.
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Why not Win 11?? Why stick with an OS that's losing support?? Win 11 isn't my main OS, but it's not the boogieman people said it was when it first came out
I did order a new Win11 machine for my office. My old Win10 does meet the requirements to upgrade to Win11, and will move it to my bedroom that will replace a win7 that was really old and really slow.
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There was a new preview download tonight for those interested in knowing such things.