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riffjim4069
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
DishHD needs to change their pricing policies...it is too expensive, especially after adding all the fees, and they are no longer competitively priced in my opinion. Early last month, Scott alluded to "major news" involving pricing or free programming that would "create a buzz" in the industry. Well, I haven't seen any major news nor have I caught a major buzz from E* announcing more favorable DishHD pricing. Until recently, I was paying $122.98 for DishHD Platinum w/two 622s and one 811:

$104.99 DishHD Platinum w/locals
$6.00 Additional HD Receiver Fee
$6.00 Additional HD Receiver Fee
$5.99 DHPP

FYI: after 1 January the price will go up [at least] 5% since DBS services will now be taxed in Virginia. I have dropped down to the DishHD Bronze (the minimum package) and I am still paying $84.94:

$54.99 DishHD Bronze w/locals
$6.00 Additional HD Receiver Fee
$6.00 Additional HD Receiver Fee
$5.98 DVR Fee
$5.98 yet another stupid DVR Fee
5.99 DHPP

What I really want is DishHD Gold along with two premium channels (VIP $20 option). Let's look at how stupid DishHD pricing is:

$74.99 DishHD Gold w/locals
$20.00 (two premiums)
$6.00 Additional HD Receiver Fee
$6.00 Additional HD Receiver Fee
$5.98 DVR Fee
$5.98 yet another DVR Fee
$5.99 DHPP
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$124.94 :eek:

Now, let's take a look at my local cable company "Ditch the Ditch" promotion:

$29.95 digital cable (all the digital cable channels - fixed 12 month price)
$0.00 free HBO, Showtime and Starz for 12 months
$18.90 HD DVR Bundle (HD DVR, HD Plus Pack, all the fees, etc.)
$8.95 2nd HD DVR
$1.75 HD Cablecard for Sony (ATSC QAM) HD DVR
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$59.95 :)


$59.95 gets me all the cable favorites, non-watered down HD (although far fewer channels at present), two HD DVRs, plus a cablecard for my Sony HD DVR.

Let's take a look at FiOS TV which was recently awarded a Cable TV Franchise in my area: (true HD, lots of HD (not the most due to VOOM HD), no added fees for HD channels or DVRs):

$39.95 FiOS TV Premier
$14.95 Movies & Sports (Showtime, Starz, Encore, TMC, Flix, Sundance)
$12.95 HD DVR
$12.95 HD DVR
$2.25 HD Cablecard (for my Sony ATSC/QAM HD DVR)
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$83.05 ;) (right priced in my opinion)

Sorry Dish Network, but unless you drop the $20 premium you're charging for the privilege of subscribing to DishHD or add two premium channels (Showtime/Starz) to the Bronze Package, get rid of multiple DVR fees, and stop watering down the HD channels...I'm afraid that many of us I will no longer feed the Dish Network pig. DishHD pricing is too expensive and, as much as we love the 622 and other features, we simply cannot justify paying $39.93 to $63.02 more for similar programming. Sure, the cable hardware and EPG are inferior, but their HD PQ is superior. It's just not worth it.

My bottom line:

DishHD Gold w/locals (only need them for EPG), two premium channels (VIP), three HD receivers (two HD DVRs), and DHPP for $89.99 per month. Anything more is not competitively priced IMO. The days of paying a premium for HD is coming to an end...quickly.

  • HD PQ matters to many of your longtime DishHD customers.
  • Price matters most to the average Joe just getting his first HD
  • HD is no longer a luxury, it is an expectation
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Scott Greczkowski
Not everyone will want to upgrade to a HDTV or buy new HD equipment, these will be the ones who want SD versions.

For me or you we want HD, for Ma and Pa Kettle, they want to see Willard Scott in the morning on their old Phillco B&W site from 1948. :)
Tom Bombadil
It would be nice if the HDTV/MPEG4 chipsets were so inexpensive that Dish would drop all of the SD receivers right now. All new customers and upgrades would be either 211s, 222s or 622s. If people have SDTVs then let them use the SD outputs of those receivers. Many SDTVs sold in the past few years have component inputs, so even those could be used at the default 480i setting.

But as I'm sure there is still at least $50-$100 of additional manufacturing expenses, E* is not going to absorb that kind of cost.

But if they did this, the phase out of SD channels could begin earlier.

And for those people with SDTVs and SD packages, the image quality of a HD channel that is downconverted to 480i over a component connection to their TV, would be much better than what they get now via a SD receiver and s-video connection. They would be thrilled with the changeover.
Hall
Is it necessary to quote the ENTIRE post for your one-sentence response ??
H
Is it necessary to quote the ENTIRE post for your one-sentence response ??

didn't bother me!
navychop
It would be nice if the HDTV/MPEG4 chipsets were so inexpensive that Dish would drop all of the SD receivers right now. All new customers and upgrades would be either 211s, 222s or 622s. If people have SDTVs then let them use the SD outputs of those receivers.
....

But as I'm sure there is still at least $50-$100 of additional manufacturing expenses, E* is not going to absorb that kind of cost.....

They can pay the extra bit now, or pay even more later. I think it'll be cheaper to start phasing them in now and have fewer STBs to ship back and forth later. Hopefully, in 2007 Dish will start doing this, and non-MPEG-4 receivers will be a thing of the past.
mxd
mxd
Is it necessary to quote the ENTIRE post for your one-sentence response ??

EXCUSE ME. Sorry I'm not as "Forum Savy" as you.
T
Not everyone will want to upgrade to a HDTV or buy new HD equipment, these will be the ones who want SD versions.

For me or you we want HD, for Ma and Pa Kettle, they want to see Willard Scott in the morning on their old Phillco B&W site from 1948. :)

Me, I want to see MA and Pa kettle on a HD channel sharp and clear even if 4:3 resolution. I have seen some movies on Monsters HD that were from the 30's and despite being B&W they were the best I've ever seen or heard those movies sound and look.

I'd love to have that old Philco, the one that had the Picture tube mounted over the rest of the Set. Sorry I'm drawing a blank on what it was called. I'd like an Edsel or Studebaker Hawk GT or Avanti for the daily commute. :)
DarrellP
I just dropped Dish totally after being with them since Feb 96. I have a 921 and an 811 and had Voom, DishHD pack, HBO & Showtime + locals and that's it. My bill was a whopping $65/month so I decided to drop HBO/Showtime and my bill only went down to $39. I called Dish and asked them what was up with my bill as Voom is only $5/month and the DishHD pack is only $10 and locals are $6. All the extra fees they charge took my bill to $39. They offered to waive 2 fees for 12 months but I refused and cancelled everything as I rarely watch TV anymore, it's just a wast of time & money for me. Bye Bye Dish, until you revamp your fees policy, I will never have your programming again, I am quite content with 8 HD OTA channels, thank you. (Free, BTW).
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in The Chit Chat Club
Now after reading this story I walked away thinking that this is being blown out of proportion because of the incredibly low numbers of those affected.....BUT....I've read posts by some of you who are taking this drug so I figured it was worth posting.

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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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osu1991
$3.55
R
$3.45 in Jane, MO.
Bobby
Regular$5.299​
Premium$5.859​
Diesel$7.599​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Crude (combined pricing) is around $90/barrel now, so prices should have, at least, fallen in step with the crude futures.
dishstaller
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere. Bobby just posted $7.59/gal, locally it is $5.59.....that's two bucks difference. :eeek
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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EatMyVolts
Expressway to Your Heart -- The Soul Survivors
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long_time_Dish
Find A Way To My Heart - Phil Collins
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FIND Your Way Back-Jefferson Starship
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ClarkGable
Working My Way Back To You - The Four Seasons
dishstaller
Don't Look Back - Boston
KAB
KAB
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in Movie Talk
Not a bit surprised.

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ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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comfortably_numb

Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
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Juan
Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?
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dishstaller
Meanwhile att is getting rid of overseas call centers

Too little too late.

I can actually shed some light on the corp attitude towards call centers.

2015-2017 I was on the Viasat Dealer Council. They would fly us out to CO or CA and wine and dine us. Pretty cool but I was there to give my input because I was a top retailer and I wanted things to improve.
Anyway, at one of the meetings I brought up the fact that customers constantly complained about the overseas call centers. The VP of the company told me that I just didn't understand....those people cost something like 25% of what US employees would cost. Well, as usual when I went out to these meetings, I was loaded for bear....ie facts. I gave them an example of a customer who spent over an hour with one of these call centers and still never got her issue resolved. She called me the next morning after we opened and I had her situation fixed in 2 minutes. I told him "So you guys paid this overseas call center X amount but the customer still wasn't taken care of. I on the other hand, and a US call center probably would have as well because there wouldn't have been the language barrier, had her taken care of in 2 min. so your savings just went right out the door because a US call center would have taken care of her and MANY other customers while your overseas call center did nothing more than PISS off a customer.
Blank stares was all I got.

And THAT was when I realized just how incompetent most of the people are who run these companies. It WAS an enlightening experience.
Almighty1
Even 23 years ago, Verizon was known for having quality customer service. T-Mobile had quality customer service too but just poor mobile service. AT&T when it was still known as AT&T Wireless, Cingular Wireless both had poor customer service. This was when all three were providing customer service from the U.S. so even in the U.S., some companies are still better than others as it still depends on who they hire. That's the same reason AT&T Broadband Inc. which was basically their Cable TV never gotten far and got sold to Comcast.
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Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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cp2k
I like the move to campus sites for the early games. That adds a fun new dimension for fans, and cuts down on some of the travel expenses that would come with having to follow a team all the way through the playoffs at neutral sites.
Jimbo
I like the move to campus sites for the early games. That adds a fun new dimension for fans, and cuts down on some of the travel expenses that would come with having to follow a team all the way through the playoffs at neutral sites.
Agree ... they started doing that a few years ago.
Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
Jimbo
In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
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Bobby
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
Jimbo
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
B
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
R
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.
Jimbo
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin
Bobby
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.
So, if theres a issue with any buried line, the sidewalk needs to be dug up as well ???
That sucks.
Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
Jimbo
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.

Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
Ok, your talking in the right of way ...
I thought you were talking about from the ped to the houses.

Fortunately you don't usually get Cable cuts Under a sidewalk, usually its when a Construction crew us digging with major equipment.

The drops to the house are not going to be very deep, sometimes barely under the sod. 6" is a godsend.
osu1991
I'm fortunate to have 3 fiber providers now.

Cox and T mobile bored and put conduit in before pulling the fiber thru the easement in my neighborhood . Windstream Kinetic I can't remember if they pulled conduit first or not. I remember they didn't have a boring machine when they came thru my yard, they used that for the mainline crossing under the street but had a vibratory plow in my backyard. I remember seeing some blue conduit just don't remember where it was being used. Windstream barely put the fiber run from the pedestal to my house about 2 inches underground. Landscaper hit it while putting landscaping around the pedestal they added to my yard. I made sure they buried it at least 12 inches when they replaced it.

AEP/ PSO the electric company has their main distribution lines running on poles along the back of my property. Cox has their main distribution line hung on those poles before going underground through the neighborhood.

I'm in the middle of a damage claim and about to take them to court as insurance is trying to get out of it claiming the lines were too low. Had an oversized load get lost and try to turn around in an older neighborhood. Pulled down 5 blocks of fiber with separate fiber lines belonging to the city, Cox/Spectrum and ATT.