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Power cycling did not work. Do I need to turn the receiver off for a certain amount of time? I notice that the channels are mapped to the local channel number. I know they are suppossed to be as channel 9205 for example. Is there a way for the receiver to not make them the actual local channel representations, but the actual dish channel designations? Maybe this is the problem?

DBSJedi said:

Power cycling did not work. Do I need to turn the receiver off for a certain amount of time?

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What exactly do you mean by "power cycling" - to download updated software, you need to power it off for at least 15 min. I'd just do it overnight, or for an hour or so while your not viewing/recording.

I notice that the channels are mapped to the local channel number. I know they are suppossed to be as channel 9205 for example. Is there a way for the receiver to not make them the actual local channel representations, but the actual dish channel designations?

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Why does it matter - if you look again, the locals for your receiver are in BOTH places - either one will tune to locals.

Iceberg said:

Older boxes dont map them to their OTA channel

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But the 2700/2800's do & have for some time.

garys said:

You may need a dp adaptor.

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If he did, he would be having major problems with the REST of his prog...

dishrich said:

Why does it matter - if you look again, the locals for your receiver are in BOTH places - either one will tune to locals.

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That's the problem.. my locals suddenly appeared as 18, 27, 36, 46, 56 on the 2700, but the real channel designations in the guide (9205, etc) are not present. So they are NOT both represented. When tuning to these locals (as in the 2700 guide) I get 'waiting for satellite signal' and that times out and I see spotbeam 4 and the error. If I press up enough times to bypass these locals (same error for each local) I will be able to tune all my other Dish channels just fine.

When I setup the TiVo many years ago it was setup as OTA + Satellite. I did this for the RF input on the TiVo to pick up the very few locals the antenna could pick up while Dish serviced distants for everything else.

It's a Dish 500 system (20" dish, twin dual LNBs, two SW-21 switches)

My receiver is confused. Perhaps it didn't get hit right with the update that styxfix mentioned. I don't have a landline at my house.. haven't for years. This update is not over archaic telephone lines, right? I'm pretty sure these type of updates come down the dish.

I'll turn it off all night and fire it up in the morning and see what happens.

I do have a Dishplayer 7100 as well and that can tune the locals with the Dish-designated channel numbers (9205 and up). It doesn't list the local channel designations (18, 27 etc). I am just perplexed with the 2700. TiVo is quite pissed about it. Instead of it tuning in the RF channels it is trying to use the Dish and I made absolutely ZERO changes with either the receiver or the TiVo. I'm convinced Dish Network caused this behavior somehow by adding in the free locals.

Fact of the matter is that my 2700 alone (without TiVo in the equation) should be able to tune in my free locals and it currently can't.

The 7100 does not map down the local channels, I would check the lines and switch on the 2700, something is obviously not right on that receiver or the line.

DBSJedi said:

TiVo is quite pissed about it. Instead of it tuning in the RF channels it is trying to use the Dish and I made absolutely ZERO changes with either the receiver or the TiVo. I'm convinced Dish Network caused this behavior somehow by adding in the free locals.

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What is Dish going to do that would cause your tivo to try to use Dish instead of the antenna? You need to go into channel setup and make sure that the channels you want tuned using the antenna only have the ANT version checked. If you have the SAT version and the ANT version checked the tivo will only use the satellite version.

DBSJedi said:

That's the problem.. my locals suddenly appeared as 18, 27, 36, 46, 56 on the 2700, but the real channel designations in the guide (9205, etc) are not present. So they are NOT both represented.

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I now understand what you are saying now with the "real" local channel numbers...
And no, NOT having a phone connected isn't causing this problem.

The fact that the "real" (read: 4-digit) channels are NOT present in your 2700 receiver tells me that then something HAS happened with it. The other stuff you mentioned would concern me as well. Assuming even there is a problem with the dish itself, this would NOT affect those real channels NOT appearing in the guide, as they are authorized on the same data stream with the mapped ones.

Let us know tomorrow if turning off the box fixed things.

And (unfortunately) it would NOT be unheard of for your receiver to have just gotten a touch of "weirdness" - I had a customer's 5000 receiver recently work for the most part, but on a few of the national channels, they kept getting an error reading. When you went to the signal screen, several x-ponder readings on the receiver, that were supposed to have signals, were DEAD. (of course, I brought it back to my place on my working system, where it did the same, exact thing) Evidently, something weird just happened with this receiver that caused it to not recognize certain x-ponders.

Sorry for the really late reply (the holidays and all)

I did power it off for an evening, but it didn't help. I will call their customer service and ask them to hit it up with their zap again and see if that knocks some sense in it. I will only have til the end of the month to enjoy the free locals anyway.

I can actually get my locals OTA now that they have switched to DTV/HD transmissions. I have a wireloop antenna I built in my computer room (for VHF channel #4) that picks up the locals (even UHF, cept the CW), but I have a project in mind to move it and add a dedicated UHF antenna with a Channel Master 7777 pre-amp in the attic this winter. I believe with the 7777 I can combine both antennas for the best of both worlds (VHF and UHF) and maybe pick up some distant locals (not NY and LA)

I have a similar but different problem - - I now receive locals for the first time in a long, long time but the quality of the locals are no where near everything else. Might this change and get better over time? My locals are coming out of Butte and Bozeman, Montana. Thanks !!