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Tom Bombadil
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Angry customers may go from Dish to Direct

By Kimberly S. Johnson

Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com
Article Last Updated:11/24/2006 10:26:00 AM MST

Alice Mitchell and her late husband had spent more than three months a year traveling the country in their recreational vehicle, using a Dish Network receiver to view local broadcasts from Denver and Los Angeles.

Earlier this month, Mitchell, who lives in Monroe, Wash., 35 miles northeast of Seattle, received a letter from Dish Network, telling her that she wouldn't receive those channels after Dec. 1.

Mitchell, 65, has been eligible to receive distant-network signals for RV travel because her local satellite signal dies once she leaves the area.

"They said our RV waivers are no good anymore," Mitchell said in a phone interview.

Mitchell is one of 900,000 Dish home, business and RV customers losing out- of-area network channels, following a U.S. district court ruling in October against Douglas County-based EchoStar Communications Corp., which provides Dish service.

Some customers have already been shut off. Most, like Mitchell, are frustrated.

"I'm going to lose the Eastern feeds," said Eddie Stintson, a full- time "RVer" currently parked in Aguanga, Calif., 50 miles northeast of San Diego.

"Home is where I park (my RV). Local signals are not designed for travel," he said. "When you get up and leave, say goodbye to locals until you get back."

In the October ruling, the judge upheld a May appellate court ruling that Echo- Star violated copyright law by beaming network programs broadcast from far-away cities to households ineligible to receive them.

Distant-network channels are ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox broadcast channels that originate outside a customer's local community.

To qualify for a distant signal, customers have had to prove they can't receive their local stations on an over-the-air antenna. In the past, when that has been the case, EchoStar customers could choose from a variety of local stations nationwide - even faraway markets such as New York City or Los Angeles.

But now, EchoStar customers will be restricted to local stations from their designated market area, generally the closest big-city TV channels. Dish offers local channels from more than 160 cities.

Dish subscribers in Denver who pay for local Denver channels will not lose their service, but local signals from other cities will be gone.

Jimmy Schaeffler, senior multi-channel analyst for The Carmel Group, said the judge's ruling is going to hurt EchoStar.

"It's a major thorn in Echo Star's side," he said. "Not only are they going to lose subscribers, but they (lose them) to the enemy."

EchoStar is the nation's second-largest satellite TV provider with a total of 12.8 million subscribers.

It competes with DirecTV, which is the No. 1 satellite TV provider with more than 15.5 million customers.

Since the court case went against EchoStar, DirecTV has been aggressively marketing in areas where Dish customers will lose their distant-network signals.

DirecTV, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., will check to see if customers are eligible to receive the networks.

If they are eligible, customers can purchase broadcast network packages from either Los Angeles or New York City, depending on whether they live in the Eastern or Western portion of the U.S., said DirecTV spokesman Robert Mercer.

EchoStar co-founder and chairman Charlie Ergen said during a November earnings call that fees for distant-network signals bring in $3 million in monthly revenues. The company expects to lose subscribers due to the shutoff.

"I think the part I feel worst about is customers trust us, and customers rely on us for their networks, and we as a management team made some poor decisions in hindsight," said Ergen during the call.

Earlier this month, U.S. Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont introduced a bill that would allow resumption of distant-network signals to EchoStar customers in remote areas.

Sen. Wayne Allard of Colorado also has introduced a bill to allow both satellite and cable-TV providers to broadcast Denver TV signals to subscribers in La Plata and Montezuma counties in southwestern Colorado.

The judge's ruling prohibiting distant-network service eliminates feeds of Denver stations to those customers because they are in the designated market area for Albuquerque, not Denver.

Congress will not meet until after Dec. 1, so there's no immediate relief for subscribers.

Meanwhile, Stintson, the RV owner from California, said that if he can't get the distant networks, he plans to switch to DirecTV.

For her part, Mitchell is tuning to the CBS website to watch streaming video of shows such as "CSI."

"It really rankles me that someone tells me that I have to go with my local affiliates," she said. "They're pushing me away and pushing me to the Internet."
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psumattDE
I still don't get how DirecTV can offer these?
Hall
I still don't get how DirecTV can offer these?
There WILL be people who do NOT qualify with DirecTV too.
ArtWIS
There WILL be people who do NOT qualify with DirecTV too.

Very true. People who don't qualify under the law will not get DNS from D* but if E* does get the right to resume DNS they will also only be able to provide DNS to those customers who qualify under the law. And that will leave out 10's of thousands who are getting them illegally now. That's about what I figure will happen IF any new law is passed. E* will start from scratch and have to verify that all DNS service they provide is legal. By the way those who are getting DNS by "moving" are not legal and E* is the responsible party to see that "moving" is not happening. If E*doesn't stop "movers" IF they get DNS rights back they could very well be back in the situation they find themselves now.
Derwin0
By the way those who are getting DNS by "moving" are not legal and E* is the responsible party to see that "moving" is not happening. If E*doesn't stop "movers" IF they get DNS rights back they could very well be back in the situation they find themselves now.
Same could be said about Directv and "moving".
C
I'd "move" to NY on December 1st if I could still use my caller id feature, I'd miss that.
Hall
Caller ID won't be affected if you move. Of course, to use the Caller ID function, you need a phone line connected to the receiver. If you have a phone line connected, when the receiver calls Dish, the caller ID on their end will not show a NY area code...
N
As long as the number your reciever calls from matches the number on your account there is NO problem.
D
This seems to be a pattern in Charlie's corporate strategy: Dish was small and really needed that DNS revenue during this years long dispute. Now, they knew there might be consequences, but now they are in much better financial shape that they will not even come close to going out of business because of the DNS ruling. They very well may have gone under if they followed Direct TV's conservative approach regarding DNS qualifications. Ergan seems to have used the same strategy regarding DVR vs. Tivo and just about every other "gamble" with court consequences: "Get the revenue now or we may go out of business, and years later when there is a court order to stop, we'll have benifited from it such that it won't be life or death for the company as it would have been had we not we done what we did." sort of thinking.

In the end, it looks like Charles may have done the smart (perhaps not most ethical) thing to get Dish where it is today.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Working My Way Back To You - The Four Seasons
dishstaller
Don't Look Back - Boston
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harshness
Please Come to Boston - Dave Loggins
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Bobby
Come A Little Bit Closer - Jay and the Americans
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sdfntx
Closer to You - Brandi Carlile
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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comfortably_numb

Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
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Juan
Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?
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comfortably_numb
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?

And TMO. If anybody's lagging behind the most, it's ATT.
ERSanders
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
navychop
So you have a MBA?
:devilish
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Juan
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
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dishdude
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI
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J
Last reply · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion
Hi guys, is anyone getting any quality on transponder 4135 L 30000 I'm not getting any quality few weeks now.
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Satfaca
No problem here (in central Europe) with a 10-footer. Do note that 9.4 dB required for the lock.
The mod is DVB-S2 8PSK with FEC 5/6.

4135LH.webp
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$5.299​
Premium$5.859​
Diesel$7.599​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Crude (combined pricing) is around $90/barrel now, so prices should have, at least, fallen in step with the crude futures.
dishstaller
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere. Bobby just posted $7.59/gal, locally it is $5.59.....that's two bucks difference. :eeek
harshness
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere.
California has a ~93¢ per gallon consumer tax rate on automotive diesel, along with significantly higher refinement standards.

The fact that consumers can only buy some new full-sized truck models and a couple of vans with diesel power makes the fuel an odd duck in refinery priorities.
osu1991
$3.50-$3.52 around Tulsa and $3.45 in OKC
T
· posted in Cable Television and Fiber Providers
The Charter/Spectrum tv app has been updated to make it downloaded with more tv brands. I recently added it to my LG Oled tv.
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Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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long_time_Dish
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
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Jim5506
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
It's on Prime.
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long_time_Dish
It's on Prime.
Ah, ok, thanks!
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Foxbat
The World Series Game 1 quality was excellent, the Dolby Surround put us in the seats. Thanks, Dish!
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S
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
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jsmit86
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
Most of the 4K action on the 148-xx channels will be on Saturday for College Football. For whatever reason, the guide does not show the games until later in the week. The Fox Big Noon game will show up, and there will usually be a couple of other games, some on Fox, and some on ESPN.

I don't know if you need to be subscribed to locals to get them.
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in The Chit Chat Club
Now after reading this story I walked away thinking that this is being blown out of proportion because of the incredibly low numbers of those affected.....BUT....I've read posts by some of you who are taking this drug so I figured it was worth posting.

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KAB
KAB
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in Movie Talk
Not a bit surprised.

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