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Tom Bombadil
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
(Multichannel News) _ Washington
A leading consumer group is urging Congress to protect hundreds of thousands of EchoStar Communications subscribers who, by judicial fiat, are nearing the loss of out-of-market feeds of ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox programming.

Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports and other publications with a combined subscribership of 7 million, raised its concerns in a Nov. 17 letter to all U.S. senators. Among other things, the letter said legislation should protect not just programming choice but also competition between EchoStar's Dish Network and its main rival, DirecTV, controlled by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.
RURAL HARM

"We are concerned that with only one other satellite-television provider available, rural consumers will be left without meaningful marketplace choice and that competition may be irreparably harmed," wrote CU senior policy analyst Jeannie Kenney.

Without judicial intervention, about 850,000 EchoStar subscribers will lose access to distant signals on Dec. 1. Distant signals are feeds from ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox affiliates in New York and Los Angeles, beamed by EchoStar to rural customers who can't get the same programming locally with an off-air antenna.

EchoStar does not need permission to retransmit distant signals.

Just before the Senate broke for Thanksgiving, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) introduced a bill (S. 4067) designed to soften the impact of the pending cutoff, ordered in October by a federal judge who found that EchoStar had broken the law by selling distant signals to hundreds of thousands of legally ineligible customers.

By the terms of the Satellite Home Viewer Act of 1988, U.S. District Judge William P. Dimitrouleas said he was required to impose a nationwide injunction, which ends up punishing not just EchoStar's illegal customers, but also hundreds of thousands of legal ones.
BIG SENATE BACKERS

Leahy, who takes over as Judiciary Committee chairman in the new Congress in January, introduced his bill with support from some key people, including Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.), a likely presidential candidate; Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), the incoming chairman of the Commerce Committee; and Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), expected to take the reins at the Appropriations Committee.

If the Leahy bill became law, it would not ensure that legally eligible customers those who live in so-called white areas where broadcast TV signals are weak could continue to buy distant signals from EchoStar.

"Customers who live in 'white areas' and who were legally receiving distant broadcast networks from EchoStar should not be penalized for the company's wrongful acts," CU's Kenney wrote.

The Senate is expected to return to work on Dec. 4, just a few days into the injunction. Some on Capitol Hill expect a flood of complaints, forcing Congress to pass legislation to quell the rebellion.

"It's going to be a big stink and it is going to be a political problem," said Jimmy Schaeffler, senior financial and consulting analyst with The Carmel Group, who has been involved with EchoStar on legal matters over the past decade. "Are they [EchoStar] going to be able get enough hoopla going to get Congress to say, 'Hey, we've got to do something about this?' I don't think so."

Leahy's bill would be the likely starting point for Senate action. In its most helpful provision, the bill would allow EchoStar to resume delivering network signals to markets where it does not offer a package of local TV signals. That's about 40 markets in all and they include less than 5% of all TV households.

Because the bill provided a modicum of relief in the most rural-TV markets, CU endorsed the Leahy bill's "approach," but nothing more specific than that.

In so-called short markets areas missing at least one major network affiliate EchoStar could fill the gap by importing a distant signal, according to Leahy's nine-page bill.

The bill, however, would ban EchoStar from the resumption of distant signals in the 170 markets where it offers local TV stations, something CU opposed. But those customers can replace distant signals with local ones, Kenney said.

Customers who lose distant signals from EchoStar can't purchase a similar package from DirecTV if they live in a market where DirecTV offers local TV signals. Only the local package may be purchased by new customers, under provisions of the Satellite Home Viewer Extension Reauthorization Act of 2004.

Under Leahy's bill, EchoStar customers would lose the right to seek waivers from local affiliates to buy distant signals. Owners of recreational vehicles and commercial trucks, exempt from white area restrictions in current law, would lose the exemption under the bill.

In August, EchoStar reached a $100 million settlement ultimately rejected by Dimitrouleas with all TV stations involved except those owned by News Corp., which pressed the judge to hand down the sweeping injunction.

Leahy's bill took a middle position: It's less severe than the injunction and less accommodating than the settlement.
CHEER FROM ECHOSTAR

EchoStar applauded the "bipartisan effort to enable innocent consumers to continue to receive distant network channels, particularly subscribers who live in rural areas and markets where there is no local broadcaster."

Even though the vast majority of TV stations settled, they have stopped supporting EchoStar's campaign to modify the injunction, both in court and in Congress.

National Association of Broadcasters spokesman Dennis Wharton said his group "opposes a bailout by Congress of a habitual copyright infringer."

Copyright The Associated Press 2006. All Rights Reserved
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R
I think Congress should stay out of the matter.

Dish could have re-qualified customers, and there would not have been a problem today.

Dish decided not to re-qualify customers, and with that choice they also chose to take and consequences.
bacchus101
I think Congress should stay out of the matter.

Dish could have re-qualified customers, and there would not have been a problem today.

Dish decided not to re-qualify customers, and with that choice they also chose to take and consequences.

The end user is suffering the consequences.

I love it how people that are not being affected by this matter are the most vocal. It is easy to be haughty and above it all when you have no vested interest in the matter other then an ill conceived idea of justice.

I feel that all future posts on this matter should be prefaced with:


A. I rely on DNS for the big four networks and......

or

B. I don't rely on DNS for the big four networks and......


It will become obvious very quickly that those who are not losing anything are 99% of those who feel that the injunction should stand.
BobMurdoch
It will become obvious very quickly that those who are not losing anything are 99% of those who feel that the injunction should stand.

Truer words were never spoken about this issue.
G
Sure. But then you get the people that say...

I rely on DNS because the picture quality is so much better on the distants.
I rely on DNS because I like to timeshift.
I rely on DNS because I get different sports programming than my locals.

None of which are the most plausible excuses.
C
Sure. But then you get the people that say...

I rely on DNS because the picture quality is so much better on the distants.
I rely on DNS because I like to timeshift.
I rely on DNS because I get different sports programming than my locals.

None of which are the most plausible excuses.

Why not Greg? My local channels give me waivers to be able to recieve these channels. What difference does it make what reasons I have for wanting the DNS?
T
Why not Greg? My local channels give me waivers to be able to recieve these channels. What difference does it make what reasons I have for wanting the DNS?

In the case of a local affiliate waiver - not much. If they want to cut their own throats, I'll step aside. However the problem is not with waiver holders or the unserved (both of which were authorized to receive DNS). The problem was with those who were not. Incidentally what channels gave you waivers? I am surprised that any local would do so unless you were in Grade B but really at the margin.
T
Truer words were never spoken about this issue.

Or 100% of those who believe the law should be followed.
bacchus101
Or 100% of those who believe the law should be followed.


.....and 100% of forum trolls.
T
.....and 100% of forum trolls.

Sorry, I forgot.

Troll = Any poster who disagrees with bacchus101.
bacchus101
Sorry, I forgot.

Troll = Any poster who disagrees with bacchus101.

You are forgiven this time.

Good boy Thomas. Run along now.......
C
In the case of a local affiliate waiver - not much. If they want to cut their own throats, I'll step aside. However the problem is not with waiver holders or the unserved (both of which were authorized to receive DNS). The problem was with those who were not. Incidentally what channels gave you waivers? I am surprised that any local would do so unless you were in Grade B but really at the margin.

All 4 of my locals gave me waivers either the 1st or 2nd time I asked them. I am in grade A for NBC and ABC and grade B for CBS and FOX. I had to harass NBC though, but in the end they gave me one.
M
Or 100% of those who believe the law should be followed.

Amen. Just because they are a multi million dollar a year business should not mean they are exempt from the law. If everyone and every corporation paid attention to the law and obeyed the law then the lawyers would not be half as rich as they are today and the police would be bored.
BobMurdoch
The problem is that the lawyers keep bending the grey areas of the law so we don't even know what IS legal on any given day.

Copying media is legal due to "fair use". Unless you bypass copy protection, which isn't. Let the tug of war ensue and the lawyers get richer...
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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ClarkGable
Working My Way Back To You - The Four Seasons
dishstaller
Don't Look Back - Boston
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harshness
Please Come to Boston - Dave Loggins
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Bobby
Come A Little Bit Closer - Jay and the Americans
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sdfntx
Closer to You - Brandi Carlile
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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comfortably_numb

Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
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Juan
Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?
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comfortably_numb
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?

And TMO. If anybody's lagging behind the most, it's ATT.
ERSanders
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
navychop
So you have a MBA?
:devilish
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Juan
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
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dishdude
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI
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J
Last reply · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion
Hi guys, is anyone getting any quality on transponder 4135 L 30000 I'm not getting any quality few weeks now.
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Satfaca
No problem here (in central Europe) with a 10-footer. Do note that 9.4 dB required for the lock.
The mod is DVB-S2 8PSK with FEC 5/6.

4135LH.webp
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$5.299​
Premium$5.859​
Diesel$7.599​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Crude (combined pricing) is around $90/barrel now, so prices should have, at least, fallen in step with the crude futures.
dishstaller
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere. Bobby just posted $7.59/gal, locally it is $5.59.....that's two bucks difference. :eeek
harshness
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere.
California has a ~93¢ per gallon consumer tax rate on automotive diesel, along with significantly higher refinement standards.

The fact that consumers can only buy some new full-sized truck models and a couple of vans with diesel power makes the fuel an odd duck in refinery priorities.
osu1991
$3.50-$3.52 around Tulsa and $3.45 in OKC
T
· posted in Cable Television and Fiber Providers
The Charter/Spectrum tv app has been updated to make it downloaded with more tv brands. I recently added it to my LG Oled tv.
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Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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long_time_Dish
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
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Jim5506
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
It's on Prime.
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long_time_Dish
It's on Prime.
Ah, ok, thanks!
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Foxbat
The World Series Game 1 quality was excellent, the Dolby Surround put us in the seats. Thanks, Dish!
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S
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
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jsmit86
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
Most of the 4K action on the 148-xx channels will be on Saturday for College Football. For whatever reason, the guide does not show the games until later in the week. The Fox Big Noon game will show up, and there will usually be a couple of other games, some on Fox, and some on ESPN.

I don't know if you need to be subscribed to locals to get them.
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in The Chit Chat Club
Now after reading this story I walked away thinking that this is being blown out of proportion because of the incredibly low numbers of those affected.....BUT....I've read posts by some of you who are taking this drug so I figured it was worth posting.

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KAB
KAB
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
· posted in Movie Talk
Not a bit surprised.

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