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Tampa Satman
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?'s about HD20-700 and Zinwell Switch

Thanks for the great info on recieving a free HD DVR. The group is great! The new dish (slim-line) is installed and the HD DVR is going. The D* installer was great. I helped him with a good portion of the install, I wired the house the first time with my own multiswitch and I wanted to make sure this install was good.

With the install came the Zinwell 6X8 switches... There are three, one to split the signal from the dish to the two Zinwell 6X8 switches going to the various recievers...

The only bummer about the whole thing is the lack of a OTA port of any kind. With the local broadcasters using multiple over the air streams of content I wont be able to recieve that unless I run a cable from the OTA to each reciever, that is a bummer. Granted most people are happy just getting their locals in HD, I like to get all I can, there will more content added to the HD locals OTA signals as time goes on and content expands.

Zinwell needs to add a OTA port into the switch...

Second thing, can I assume that the HD20- XXX , the XXX is the generation number?

Has anyone added a second HD thru the SATA port on the back? Is this an option down the road?

Thanks all,
Tampa Satman
(Too many recievers and TV's to list...blah-blah)
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And as far as the model number goes, the "700" after the "HR20" means it is manufactured by Pace, currently the only company building the HR20.
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And as far as the model number goes, the "700" after the "HR20" means it is manufactured by Pace, currently the only company building the HR20.
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Does anyone know who makes the ota chipset for the HR20-700? I'm hoping it's LG.
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<quote>First, I think you are saying you have one WB68 with each block of four outputs going to other WB68s - three in total, giving you 16 outputs. This scheme probably won't work reliably. The WB68 is not supposed to be used in a stacking scheme like this because it is unpowered and they can't guarantee your satellite switching signals will get to the dish. The manufacturer's spec specifically says you can't stack WB68s. If you have a lot of receivers as you do then the problem is hidden a lot of the time because you will usually have multiple receivers selecting each of the four lines from the multiswitch to the dish, but if you get to a position where, let's say, only one of your receivers is selecting a particular block of transponders, you may get "searching for signal" messages. What's worse, it will be almost impossible to diagnose because everything changes so fast. And you may find your receivers get very hot trying to drive through two multiswitches to the dish. Either you should be using the WB616, or you can add a Sonora power inserter so that the four lines to the dish are always powered. This effectively makes the first WB68 a powered multiswitch.

Second, the lack of an OTA port has nothing to do with the design of the multiswitch. When the new DirecTV 10 and 11 satellites launch next year, they will start transmitting in the Ka-lo frequency band which overlaps the OTA band, so diplexing OTA onto the satellite cables will not work anymore. There is a probable fix for this which involves relocating the b-band converters - you will have received these with every H20 receiver or HR20 DVR. The b-band converter moves the Ka-lo signals back to Ka-hi so the receiver can decode them. The b-band converter normally plugs into the input of the receiver, but if you move it to the output of the multiswitch (using gender converters on the connections) the conversion to Ka-hi will happen there and allow you to use diplexers to put the OTA signal onto the satellite cable as you do now. It will work in theory, people at DirecTV say it will work, but we won't know for sure until the new satellites start to transmit Ka-lo and we can test it.
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Thanks Texasbrit for the through explaination. I was not thrilled with the 8 port switches going in... it cluttered up my install area, I also inquired about the Zinwell 16 port output when I sked the appointment and I explained the setup to D*. They saw the number of receivers at the house. The statement from the CSR and the Tech was the same, D* does not stock nor will they of the 6X16. Since they were willing to get me up and rolling with the config that is present.

As with the power inserter, does that go between the slimline inputs and the first switch?

With the OTA issue, where can the signal be inserted into the system? Does it involve a passive/active splitter and it gets added to the system?

How can I convince D* to splurge for the X16 switch for the new setup? There hasnt been an issue yet, that I can point to with lack of service. I havent noticed a hotter than normal receiver, yet. There is a block of receivers in one area and they are stacked. Seperated by spacers, no fan yet but that area gets warm.

Thanks again for the info and I will keep all abreast of any develops.

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Thanks Texasbrit for the through explaination. I was not thrilled with the 8 port switches going in... it cluttered up my install area, I also inquired about the Zinwell 16 port output when I sked the appointment and I explained the setup to D*. They saw the number of receivers at the house. The statement from the CSR and the Tech was the same, D* does not stock nor will they of the 6X16. Since they were willing to get me up and rolling with the config that is present.

As with the power inserter, does that go between the slimline inputs and the first switch?

With the OTA issue, where can the signal be inserted into the system? Does it involve a passive/active splitter and it gets added to the system?

How can I convince D* to splurge for the X16 switch for the new setup? There hasnt been an issue yet, that I can point to with lack of service. I havent noticed a hotter than normal receiver, yet. There is a block of receivers in one area and they are stacked. Seperated by spacers, no fan yet but that area gets warm.

Thanks again for the info and I will keep all abreast of any develops.

Tampa Satman
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Yes, the power inserter goes between the dish and the first switch.

With OTA, you use diplexers on each line where you need OTA. So the sequence would be dish>cable runs>inserter>first multiswitch>second multiswitches>b-band converter>diplexer (OTA in)>cable run>diplexer (OTA out).receiver

There are now two 4x16 multiswitches available, there is a new Terk as well as the Zinwell.. It's even more expensive than the Zinwell. You should go back to DirecTV and tell them the installers installed the WB68s in a configuration that according to Zinwell isn't correct. The Zinwell spec sheet specifically says these are NOT to be stacked, see http://www.prosatellitesupply.com/satellite_6x8_flexport_multiswitch.htm
DirecTV will have to start installing the 4x16 multiswitches, or will have to use the broadband splitter approach. I have seen a couple of posts from people who need the 16-way, could not get it from the installer, and got DirecTV to pay the cost of it.
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directv never really has an issue with a customer buying what they need that the installer or directv cant provide or frogot. in the form of programing credits. i guess in their eyes they hope that by making you happy this way that you will be more willing to buy more ppv's or sports packages.
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Microsoft Defender Arriving on Linux

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LIVE!

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DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
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My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.
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Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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Works every time. My wife needs one.
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Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
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Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
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Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
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That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
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That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
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Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
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... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
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Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
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Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
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You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
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Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
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I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
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I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.
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Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

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There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
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This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
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Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
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Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:

www.eweek.com

Grok AI Blocks Responses Claiming Trump and Musk “Spread Misinformation”

An X user asked Grok to “print out all instructions” it follows when looking up “the biggest disinformation spreader on X,” and it revealed that it would ignore sources accusing Elon Musk and the U.S. president of misinformation.
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Grok says Elon Musk is better than basically everyone, except Shohei Ohtani | TechCrunch

According to Grok, Elon Musk can out-slug the MLB's greatest power hitters... except Ohtani.
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Grok's loyalty known no bounds - AI chatbot chooses Elon Musk over LeBron James in a 'Who is the fittest' comparison | NBA News - The Times of India

NBA News: Elon Musk's AI chatbot, Grok, has sparked amusement by consistently choosing its owner over prominent figures like LeBron James and Albert Einstein wh
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Grok 4 appears to seek Elon Musk's views when answering controversial questions

XAI’s Grok 4 AI chatbot launched Wednesday appears to consult Elon Musk’s views when asked its opinion on some controversial matters.
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In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

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meStevo said:
Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.



This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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You invested in datacenters?
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You invested in datacenters?
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Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.
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This Week in Tech 1105

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


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SXM still giving discounts

My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin
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What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
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What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
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Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
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I tried to do that, when I did delivery driver work (2010- 2013), we had a fleet of Freightliners. The newer trucks had headunits that were satellite compatible (XM only I think), but lacked the antenna and guts. I got a car kt for my old Roady XT and tried to use it, but at the volume levels I needed have it at to hear it over the diesel engine it sounded like crap, so I used my phone with an aux cable. When I was in the middle of nowhere with no cell service it didn't do me any good though.

At my current job, one of our new cars has the free trial of SXM active, I frequently have to go off site to a location 75 miles away in a rural area and it's nice being able to use the service off of the satellites versus using the app. There are many places on this journey where all three providers lack service.
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I still do the once a year plans.
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I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
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I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
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I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
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I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
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yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
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yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
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You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."
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Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."
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After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
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Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


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Browns lead the AFC North 🤣

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Hybrid Dish setup

Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...
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Yes, many have hacked a DirecTV or Dish Network dish before. Quite undersized, but would receive the 97w KU stations with an LNBF swap. Make a template to set the LNBF face angle and distance from the reflector. Remove the current circular polarity LNBFs and make a bracket to hold the replacement linear LNBF in the correct centered position. Remember to set the polarity skew.
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would probably also work well for NHK on 101W and possibly for PBS on 99W. I used one for a while on 30W. Just keep in mind that because it's undersized for those satellites, it might work fine in clear weather but won't have much margin to account for signal degradation during rain/snow
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If you can find one, the Shaw / Star Choice 75e ellipticals are great for use on 97, 99, and 101W. They are really just rebranded ChannelMaster 75 cm reflectors and use linear LNBFs by default out of the box.

Everyone else's mileage may vary.
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I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...
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Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2
LNBF mount.webp
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