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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Dec 5, 2006 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

EchoStar Battle Rages On

EchoStar Battle Rages On
By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 12/1/2006 9:50:00 AM
http://www.broadcastingcable.com

With Dec. 1 the court-ordered deadline for EchoStar to cut off distant
TV network signals to 850,000 subs, the battle between broadcasters and
the satellite company raged.

The National Association of Broadcasters saw EchoStar's contract for
satellite capacity with National Programming Service, which delivers
local station signals to its customers, as a way to circumvent the
court's Oct. 20 injunction, calling it "flagrant contempt" for the
permanent injunction.

NAB also pointed out that the U.S.Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit
had denied EchoStar's motion to stay the injunction. A Florida court had
earlier also turned down an appeal of the injunction.

We're hopeful the courts recognize this latest stunt for what it is: a
serial copyright abuser's refusal to comply with numerous court verdicts
and federal statutes that preserve the enduring value of local
broadcasting," said NAB spokesman Dennis Wharton.

EchoStar shot back in a statement: " "EchoStar has worked diligently to
make sure consumers have a choice of distant network signals. We reached
a $100 million settlement that was accepted and later rejected by the
broadcasters, yet they continue to bully consumers and the courts.

"We are hopeful the courts will see through the Fox Network-led
coalition of broadcasters, whose real intention is to deny consumers
their freedom of choice and leave the Fox-owned DirecTV as a monopoly
for distant networks."

Fox's DirecTV is looking to woo the EchoStar subscribers who will
suddenly not be able to get their local stations.

The injunction stemmed from the court's conclusion that EchoStar could
not effectively distinguish between subs eligible to receive a distant
network affiliate and those who could receive an acceptable local signal
of that same network. EchoStar settled with almost all the stations, but
that did not dissuade the court. It also sought help from Congress, and
a bill was crafted that would have effectively blocked the injunction,
but no action was taken before the Thanksgiving break, which isn't over
until next week.

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Smith P.

Dec 4, 2006

They're fighting for MONEY ! Big money - millions and millions.

cybertrip

Dec 4, 2006

Smith said:
They're fighting for MONEY ! Big money - millions and millions.

You would think. But with this ruling aren't the networks ultimately losing money?

Hall

Dec 4, 2006

cybertrip said:
You would think. But with this ruling aren't the networks ultimately losing money?

The networks are fighting for, or representing, their local affiliates. It does no good for me, in Dayton OH, to watch CBS out of New York City when it comes to advertisers (local, at least). My local CBS gets paid by their advertisers based on the # of viewers and if I'm watching an out-of-network CBS, that's one less viewer.

cybertrip

Dec 4, 2006

hall said:
The networks are fighting for, or representing, their local affiliates. It does no good for me, in Dayton OH, to watch CBS out of New York City when it comes to advertisers (local, at least). My local CBS gets paid by their advertisers based on the # of viewers and if I'm watching an out-of-network CBS, that's one less viewer.

That makes sense. However, most of the people with DNS are the ones that could never get their local affiliated station to begin with. IMO, I think everyone should get the two major cities just like those with movie packages get both East and West feeds. I do question some times why I get LA locals instead of Bakersfield locals but it doesn't really bug me and I don't feel affected nore do I have an RV. But I do support a customers freedom of choice.

WiCkeDuDe

Dec 4, 2006

Most all the networks were fine with settling for a good sum of money, $100 million. The 25 fox stations controlled by Rupert were the only ones that would not settle. It is interesting the merger rumors are now coming back up.

Hall

Dec 4, 2006

cybertrip said:
That makes sense. However, most of the people with DNS are the ones that could never get their local affiliated station to begin with.

Those people were allowed to get distants and Dish was allowed to supply it to them, but Dish ignored the restriction and let customers who weren't eligible have it.

cybertrip

Dec 4, 2006

hall said:
Those people were allowed to get distants and Dish was allowed to supply it to them, but Dish ignored the restriction and let customers who weren't eligible have it.

True, however, the courts are going a little bit far by denying E* from transmitting any DNS'. Simply fining them and forcing a change in conduct and possibly a law suit between the stations/echostar or a settlement would've been better in the interest of the customers.

Hall

Dec 4, 2006

cybertrip said:
True, however, the courts are going a little bit far by denying E* from transmitting any DNS'. Simply fining them and forcing a change in conduct and possibly a law suit between the stations/echostar or a settlement would've been better in the interest of the customers.

When Dish continued to ignore the ruling, why would the judge "trust" that Dish would only provide DNS to those truly eligible ?? Repeatedly telling Dish they're in violation and Dish ignoring that gives an indication of what would happen if the courts attempted to "force a change in conduct". Finally, the law is written in the interests of the TV stations and networks, not the consumers. I do think there should be laws that are in the best interest of consumers, believe it or not, but that's simply not the law that's at issue here. Of course, the current law and any consumer-friendly law couldn't conflict with one another either.

Tom Bombadil

Dec 4, 2006

WiCkeDuDe said:
Most all the networks were fine with settling for a good sum of money, $100 million. The 25 fox stations controlled by Rupert were the only ones that would not settle. It is interesting the merger rumors are now coming back up.

I'm not sure there are any legitimate rumors. If you search Google News, there are no new stories about a D* - E* merger.

HDTVFanAtic

Dec 4, 2006

hall said:
When Dish continued to ignore the ruling, why would the judge "trust" that Dish would only provide DNS to those truly eligible ?? Repeatedly telling Dish they're in violation and Dish ignoring that gives an indication of what would happen if the courts attempted to "force a change in conduct". Finally, the law is written in the interests of the TV stations and networks, not the consumers. I do think there should be laws that are in the best interest of consumers, believe it or not, but that's simply not the law that's at issue here. Of course, the current law and any consumer-friendly law couldn't conflict with one another either.

Ahhh, the law is written for the use of the Copyright owner.

It's no different than me coming over to your house and deciding I want to live in your house for the next 30 days.

The thing that makes us a free society is the ability to create and own things - unlike a number of Countries that have since fallen.

Go try and buy land in North Korea and see how far you can get.

The rights of the owner, regardless of the product, have to be protected or we have turned into a Communist state.

Tom Bombadil

Dec 4, 2006

Oh My Gosh!!?!

Are you implying that my recent big North Korean beach front purchase might be in question? The guy who sold it to me over the Internet assured me it was all on the up and up, and that he was only selling to pay his grandmother's hospital bills.

Foxbat

Dec 5, 2006

Question: How many of those people getting DNs "illegally" were Grandfathered under the law? I asked the question on why DirecTV customers in the Traverse City DMA could still receive DNs and I was told it was because they were grandfathered. I had DNs at my location until Dish shut them down many years ago because I'm in the South Bend DMA, no matter that I was Grandfathered. All I could keep was my WABC ("local" ABC affiliate is a low power repeater station) and even that went away when the "local" ABC affiliate went to 15KW (oooo, such power).

The DTV transition has been great for me because I get most of our networks via OTA ATSC stations (except ABC, natch) so we have nice, clear pictures and HD for network programming. I don't need DNs any more, especially SD DNs.

Foxbat

Dec 5, 2006

Ah, I guess I can answer my own post. Dish had a chance to provide the court with the list of "Grandfathered" viewers along with the rest of the DNS customers. I don't why Dish cut my CBS/Fox/NBC off when they did, but my status as a long-time DNS subscriber meant nothing. Fortunately, the locals started their digital operations a few years later so the reception issues went away.

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ewindowman

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 22 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th

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ERSanders

Today at 10:52 AM

The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!

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navychop

Today at 11:09 AM

So you have a MBA?
:devilish

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Juan

Today at 11:35 AM

ERSanders said:
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!

I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

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dishdude

Today at 11:35 AM

Juan said:
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS

And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI

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ERSanders

22 minutes ago

ERSanders said:
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!

Actually I survived despite them for 31 years and two expait assignments. But the quest for the current quarter's profits doomed long term vision, planning and actions.

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Lon.TV

Last reply Today at 12:06 PM · posted in Lon.TV

Broadcasters To Encrypt Emergency Messages with DRM..

Time for another AWESOME video from Lon Seidman of LON.TV!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViecB76yco

Direct YouTube Link - Broadcasters To Encrypt Emergency Messages with DRM..
The Official LON.TV Website
Lon on Facebook

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Redbullsnation

Today at 12:06 PM

Well, ATSC 3 is a flop

Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 11:50 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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ClarkGable

Today at 5:51 AM

Working My Way Back To You - The Four Seasons

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dishstaller

Today at 8:07 AM

Don't Look Back - Boston

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harshness

Today at 10:03 AM

Please Come to Boston - Dave Loggins

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Bobby

Today at 10:58 AM

Come A Little Bit Closer - Jay and the Americans

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sdfntx

Today at 11:50 AM

Closer to You - Brandi Carlile

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juventusbrown

Last reply Today at 11:33 AM · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

40w transponder

Hi guys, is anyone getting any quality on transponder 4135 L 30000 I'm not getting any quality few weeks now.

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Satfaca

Today at 11:33 AM

No problem here (in central Europe) with a 10-footer. Do note that 9.4 dB required for the lock.
The mod is DVB-S2 8PSK with FEC 5/6.

dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 10:44 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby

Yesterday at 11:04 AM

Regular$5.299
Premium$5.859
Diesel$7.599
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

harshness

Yesterday at 4:41 PM

Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Crude (combined pricing) is around $90/barrel now, so prices should have, at least, fallen in step with the crude futures.

dishstaller

Today at 8:19 AM

harshness said:
Finally! Some big movement in California diesel pricing (and no, there is no such beastie as a diesel "winter formula").

Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere. Bobby just posted $7.59/gal, locally it is $5.59.....that's two bucks difference. :eeek

harshness

Today at 10:25 AM

dishstaller said:
Just curious here.....then why is diesel so much higher out there than it is elsewhere.

California has a ~93¢ per gallon consumer tax rate on automotive diesel, along with significantly higher refinement standards.

The fact that consumers can only buy some new full-sized truck models and a couple of vans with diesel power makes the fuel an odd duck in refinery priorities.

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osu1991

Today at 10:44 AM

$3.50-$3.52 around Tulsa and $3.45 in OKC

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ts27330

Today at 9:47 AM · posted in Cable Television and Fiber Providers

Charter/Spectrum tv app works with more brands

The Charter/Spectrum tv app has been updated to make it downloaded with more tv brands. I recently added it to my LG Oled tv.

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Bobby

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 9:27 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

4K Events Discussion Thread

This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.

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long_time_Dish

Oct 23, 2026

No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...

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Jim5506

Oct 24, 2026

long_time_Dish said:
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...

It's on Prime.

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long_time_Dish

Oct 24, 2026

Jim5506 said:
It's on Prime.

Ah, ok, thanks!

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Foxbat

Oct 24, 2026

The World Series Game 1 quality was excellent, the Dolby Surround put us in the seats. Thanks, Dish!

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sasmith

Yesterday at 9:22 PM

Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S

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jsmit86

Today at 9:27 AM

sasmith said:
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S

Most of the 4K action on the 148-xx channels will be on Saturday for College Football. For whatever reason, the guide does not show the games until later in the week. The Fox Big Noon game will show up, and there will usually be a couple of other games, some on Fox, and some on ESPN.

I don't know if you need to be subscribed to locals to get them.

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Today at 8:50 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

FDA issues new warning for Ozempic - can cause eye-stroke

Now after reading this story I walked away thinking that this is being blown out of proportion because of the incredibly low numbers of those affected.....BUT....I've read posts by some of you who are taking this drug so I figured it was worth posting.