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Last reply Dec 20, 2006 · posted in Video Game Reviews & Discussions

Wii strapped recalled

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061215/ap_on_hi_te/japan_nintendo_recall

This is no suprise to anyone I am sure, but the strap is being recalled, in fact Walmart is hearing about the recall earlier today.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061215/ap_on_hi_te/japan_nintendo_recall

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JamesJ

Dec 17, 2006

Mikley you contradicted yourself in that post, and I would like to point those out to you. I would also like to point out that you assumed somethings without findnig out fact.

#1. you yourself kept talking about sony batterys in remote control- when Hpman said if the was a sony controller recall, you then replied with the thing about a strap vs. batteries, then you talk about burns on your hand when Hpman says he wish he did die so he could sue
contradiction #1-you said no one has brought up the problems of batteries, but yet you bring it up....now you could have meant that Sony had a recall on laptop batteries which they did so that brings us to this
contradiction #2. If this is the video game forum how do laptop batterys fit in here, if you want to make this the video game forum, then keep it clean of other talk, or dont criticize others.

#2 The wii remote strap breaking (glass on a tv, a glass lamp, hitting other people) Leads to a dangerous experience, we both agree on that. Especially when this console is designed with kids in mind, thats very dangerous no contradiction here.

and no point proven on the friends thing either, as I have pmed Joe a total of one time, with 3-4 total Pms...as I had a question about something he would know about....your problem there is you state what you said as if Joe and I wake up and PM one another, and send daily pms, it was a one time thing....also I have added two people to my friends list for the ps3, as no one I know has a ps3 and I saw the names on here, I dont consider us friends, so try again....I will see you around.

hpman247

Dec 17, 2006

It definietely takes more than adding someone to my "friends list" on a console to make said person a friend. I am not saying that I could not be friends with Joe or Stu, but we are not friends as of this moment. I have never met either of then and couldnot consider some who I have never met a friend.

And I never said it would kill. I was simply covering my tracks if you came up with some story to discredit anything I would say or to make some kind of point. And had it exploded on me, it would have been on the pillow or blanket that i always place the laptop on or on my desk. Like I said i would have taken my chances. Honestly. "you people" always try to discredit Sony with the battery issue. Yes it was a big issue, but it could have happened to any company. I can't understand why Sony would continue to produce a battery that they knew would have problems and eventually lead to millions in losses, but from many posts that the impression that I get for the Sony bashers.

mikley28

Dec 18, 2006

stuart628 said:
Mikley you contradicted yourself in that post, and I would like to point those out to you. I would also like to point out that you assumed somethings without findnig out fact.

#1. you yourself kept talking about sony batterys in remote control- when Hpman said if the was a sony controller recall, you then replied with the thing about a strap vs. batteries, then you talk about burns on your hand when Hpman says he wish he did die so he could sue
contradiction #1-you said no one has brought up the problems of batteries, but yet you bring it up....now you could have meant that Sony had a recall on laptop batteries which they did so that brings us to this
contradiction #2. If this is the video game forum how do laptop batterys fit in here, if you want to make this the video game forum, then keep it clean of other talk, or dont criticize others.

#2 The wii remote strap breaking (glass on a tv, a glass lamp, hitting other people) Leads to a dangerous experience, we both agree on that. Especially when this console is designed with kids in mind, thats very dangerous no contradiction here.

and no point proven on the friends thing either, as I have pmed Joe a total of one time, with 3-4 total Pms...as I had a question about something he would know about....your problem there is you state what you said as if Joe and I wake up and PM one another, and send daily pms, it was a one time thing....also I have added two people to my friends list for the ps3, as no one I know has a ps3 and I saw the names on here, I dont consider us friends, so try again....I will see you around.

DUDE!!! LISTEN!!! I saying this for the last time. They are both recent recalls, are they not? NO ONE SAID that Nintendo is using Sony batteries in the remotes. No one said Sony controllers are recalled because of a battery problem as of yet. Can we agree that Sony Lithum Ion battery technology is the same technology, same manufacturing process whether its a laptop battery, Digital camera battery, or cell phone battery, game controller battery, or even some of the newer AA batteries you see in electronics stores? Hence it's the same battery just a different size and shape.

Now what you are not seeing is the severity of each recall. As in point#2 you made, we do agree that they are both dangerous, but take it a step further, which is more dangerous? Would you rather take your kid to the hospital for a cut and bruise or a 3rd degree chemical burn? This is probably why we have different views. You see it as 2 recalls that don't have anything to do with each other, and because I work in healthcare im forced to see the severity of the problems instead.

I will continue to bash Sony because they make crappy products and charge a premium price. My first PS2 stopped reading discs right after the MFG warranty expired. Which was way before the first Xbox. So, it was either pay $200 to buy a new one or $150 to get it fixed. Which is the better choice? So I got a brand new one then the xbox came out and now the PS2 collects dust from not being used. My receiver has distortion if you raise the volume more than 20%. Sony refused to fix it. My TV refuses to save settings when I turn it off... I have to put it on video 1 with no label to prevent screen burn. Crappy products that I paid a premium price for!

So no a laptop battery shouldn't be in this forum but it is the same Lithium Ion Technology in all their other batteries and probably using in the PS3 controller so recalling their lithium ion technology can fit here since they also use the same battery technology in their PS3 controllers. So yes it IS valid to bring it up. Thats how Sony's Battery recall can fit in the video game forum if such a recall for the PS3 controllers arises.

#2 at least we agree on something... again would you rather take you child to the hospital for a a cut or 3rd degree chemical burn?

Now, whether you guys are or are not friends, who cares.. because I don't. Now if you guys want to take it personally, then so be it. I'm not bothered by it nor will be.

Bottom line, think severity between the strap recall and a battery recall. Then you will see why I responded to hpman's post like I did and will continue to bash Sony products. I will gladly bash any company if they made crappy and dangerous products. So it's not about being a 'fanboy' its about quality of products that we spend hard earned money for. I'm not in any way defending Nintendo's strap recall, I don't think we should have to pay for crap. I can think of a bunch of ways to work around the strap problem which don't include duct tape, but for the life of me can't if the lithium ion battery should happen to combust in a PS3 Controller, if it does happen.

mikley28

Dec 18, 2006

Who cares if you guys are friends or not. I sure don't but both of you are making a big deal about it...

hpman247 said:
And had it exploded on me, it would have been on the pillow or blanket that i always place the laptop on or on my desk.

Because you have some common sense. Believe me, there are plenty out there that do not.

hpman247 said:
Honestly. "you people" always try to discredit Sony with the battery issue. Yes it was a big issue, but it could have happened to any company.

I discredit Sony because they make crappy products and charge a premium price. Yes, it could happen to any company, and if it did, I would be bashing them also for making an crappy product, it just so happens to be Sony, which I would expect from them.

hpman247 said:
I can't understand why Sony would continue to produce a battery that they knew would have problems and eventually lead to millions in losses, but from many posts that the impression that I get for the Sony bashers.

MAYBE because out of their hundreds of plants another welding machine in another plant may crack the cell seals again. What caused the machines to crack seals in the first place since the machines were controlled by computer and CAD drawings... could it be one of the engineers messed up on measurements? You know what they say about computer data... garbage in garbage out.

JamesJ

Dec 18, 2006

mikley28 said:
DUDE!!! LISTEN!!! I saying this for the last time. They are both recent recalls, are they not? NO ONE SAID that Nintendo is using Sony batteries in the remotes. No one said Sony controllers are recalled because of a battery problem as of yet. Can we agree that Sony Lithum Ion battery technology is the same technology, same manufacturing process whether its a laptop battery, Digital camera battery, or cell phone battery, game controller battery, or even some of the newer AA batteries you see in electronics stores? Hence it's the same battery just a different size and shape.

Now what you are not seeing is the severity of each recall. As in point#2 you made, we do agree that they are both dangerous, but take it a step further, which is more dangerous? Would you rather take your kid to the hospital for a cut and bruise or a 3rd degree chemical burn? This is probably why we have different views. You see it as 2 recalls that don't have anything to do with each other, and because I work in healthcare im forced to see the severity of the problems instead.

I will continue to bash Sony because they make crappy products and charge a premium price. My first PS2 stopped reading discs right after the MFG warranty expired. Which was way before the first Xbox. So, it was either pay $200 to buy a new one or $150 to get it fixed. Which is the better choice? So I got a brand new one then the xbox came out and now the PS2 collects dust from not being used. My receiver has distortion if you raise the volume more than 20%. Sony refused to fix it. My TV refuses to save settings when I turn it off... I have to put it on video 1 with no label to prevent screen burn. Crappy products that I paid a premium price for!

edit, also in this thread: http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=79703

you are the ONLY one that brings the battery problem in, you really say stuff without facts dont you?

So no a laptop battery shouldn't be in this forum but it is the same Lithium Ion Technology in all their other batteries and probably using in the PS3 controller so recalling their lithium ion technology can fit here since they also use the same battery technology in their PS3 controllers. So yes it IS valid to bring it up. Thats how Sony's Battery recall can fit in the video game forum if such a recall for the PS3 controllers arises.

#2 at least we agree on something... again would you rather take you child to the hospital for a a cut or 3rd degree chemical burn?

Now, whether you guys are or are not friends, who cares.. because I don't. Now if you guys want to take it personally, then so be it. I'm not bothered by it nor will be.

Bottom line, think severity between the strap recall and a battery recall. Then you will see why I responded to hpman's post like I did and will continue to bash Sony products. I will gladly bash any company if they made crappy and dangerous products. So it's not about being a 'fanboy' its about quality of products that we spend hard earned money for. I'm not in any way defending Nintendo's strap recall, I don't think we should have to pay for crap. I can think of a bunch of ways to work around the strap problem which don't include duct tape, but for the life of me can't if the lithium ion battery should happen to combust in a PS3 Controller, if it does happen.

Okay, paragraph #1, and as a side note this back and forth you vs me is getting old as you make comments then say no one is talking about them, and change your mind and contradict yourself, but here we go....Yes you are right no one BUT you is talking about sony batteries as this is a Nintendo controller recall thread, you are the one that brought it up, and you are the one rehashing it over and over. I never said Sonys batteries are being used by nintendo, I think you are confusing two issues. Also no we cant agree that its the same technology, as I believe Sony is smart enough to change some things around after a expensive recall as that, but until I find proff either way, I am going to assume things have changed.

Paragraph Number two, I do agree about the cuts and bruises, but I have never ever ever ever seen a story of a burning controller, or exploding controller battery, until you show me a link of where you are getting this info as you stated earlier of a "possible" recall, I just cant believe you, I am sorry.

paragraph #3, Now we are getting to the heart of it, you bash sony because you had a bad experience, well in that case, to HELL with microsoft, JVC, Maytag, Chevy and any other item I bought that broke down.....I went through 4 360's all with random malfunctions, but yet you dont see me bashing microsoft, so you went through some products, why would you stick with sony for tvs, video game systems and everything else while you knew you didnt like it? also just to let you know, Sony did Fix the Ps2's that had the disk read error for free, you shoud have gotten in on that!

also trust me I am not upset you called HPMan and I friends, just trying to show you you really dont know what you are saying, and you are just throwing words out there just to do it, like how you bring a Laptop battery recall, into a Sony Controller recall, and then right away say, lets keep this talk about video games and thats it. and Then say there isnt a Sony Battery problem in controllers as of yet, but yet have no facts what so ever to back it up....enjoy hope to see you around. your turn

mikley28

Dec 18, 2006

stuart628 said:
Okay, paragraph #1, and as a side note this back and forth you vs me is getting old

Exactly, then don't reply to my posts and I wont reply to yours, deal?

stuart628 said:
as you make comments then say no one is talking about them, and change your mind and contradict yourself, but here we go....Yes you are right no one BUT you is talking about sony batteries as this is a Nintendo controller recall thread, you are the one that brought it up, and you are the one rehashing it over and over. I never said Sonys batteries are being used by nintendo, I think you are confusing two issues.

This is really getting hilarious... Which part of severity is so difficult for you to understand? They are 2 situations, one real one hypothetical comparing the severity of each. However, you FINALLY understand after about 3 times that no one said there were Sony batteries in the wii remote.

stuart628 said:
Also no we cant agree that its the same technology, as I believe Sony is smart enough to change some things around after a expensive recall as that, but until I find proff either way, I am going to assume things have changed.

So what you are saying is Sony, is "reinventing the wheel" every time they create a new product? HIGHLY doubtful. If they did that they definitely wouldn't be as smart as you claim. You can't reinvent Lithium Ion technology over and over without incurring a HUGE R&D cost. So a lithium ion battery is just that nothing about it makes it much different from the next. Do you even know WHY the batteries fried? Or is the extent of your knowledge of the battery recall is that "they were burning up". They are smart in the fact that they are not reinventing the same crap over and over. They are smart because they probably fired the engineer that miscalculated the measurements on the CAD drawings that caused the welding machine to crack the cell seals. So yes, things did change until another incompetent engineer messes up again in a different battery manufacturing plant. It's also funny how Sony says only 400k batteries but yet the number that's quoted in this article is 9 million.
Sony battery defect.

stuart628 said:
Paragraph Number two, I do agree about the cuts and bruises, but I have never ever ever ever seen a story of a burning controller, or exploding controller battery, until you show me a link of where you are getting this info as you stated earlier of a "possible" recall, I just cant believe you, I am sorry.

Possible means didn't happen. A possiblility is an event that COULD happen in the future. No one also said that there were rumors about it. Should I say that three times also?

stuart628 said:
paragraph #3, Now we are getting to the heart of it, you bash sony because you had a bad experience, well in that case, to HELL with microsoft, JVC, Maytag, Chevy and any other item I bought that broke down.....I went through 4 360's all with random malfunctions, but yet you dont see me bashing microsoft

Maybe you should, they just might fix their sh*t and engineer their products better next time.

stuart628 said:
so you went through some products, why would you stick with sony for tvs, video game systems and everything else while you knew you didnt like it? also just to let you know, Sony did Fix the Ps2's that had the disk read error for free, you shoud have gotten in on that!

TV is gone when tax refund time comes around. AVR, gone 18 months ago. PS2 collects dust. Did you not read what I wrote? It was going to cost me $150 meaning when it started happening to me when they wern't repairing for free. So I bought a new one then what would be the use of the free repair when it was already junked. Now you were saying I was sticking to Sony garbage? Hardly!

stuart628 said:
also trust me I am not upset you called HPMan and I friends, just trying to show you you really dont know what you are saying,

And obvoiusly you don't know what your reading nor how to compare the difference between major and minor events.

stuart628 said:
like how you bring a Laptop battery recall, into a Sony Controller recall,

For the next 3 times (maybe more depending on how well you read this one)...
Lithium ion battery is a lithium ion battery. They make them different sizes and shapes. Companies do not reinvent the technology. If you are building a house are you going to reinvent the lightbulbs to go into it or are you just going to go to home depot and buy some? give me a good reason a company would want to reinvent something they already had? NO ONE said there IS a pending recall... IT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION. It is a fact that they are using their own lithium ion battery technology in the controllers. Its another fact that they already had one recall on their laptop lithium ion batteries. The same problem CAN occur in any battery they produce. If it happened once it can happen again.. REMEMBER... Hypothetical situation. Was that 3 times yet?

JamesJ

Dec 18, 2006

Its really sad that you are Making up situations to bash Sony....also Let me see the severity of a real situation, or a made up one? hmmm geee let me think, people already hurt because of a remote, or MAYBE people could be hurt, which is worse, I dont know mikley you are in the medical field, you tell me, is a real wound or fake wound worse? Also let me ask you this, if you had a product that you had to recall, wouldnt you maybe change some things about it, you dont have to reinvent the wheel as you put it, but def. clean up your process a little as it cost you I think I heard 200 million, you would just let that go and brush it off as no big deal? I dont think so, and I dont think Sony did either. Also to my comment about you sticking with Sony garbage, I would think after maybe the 2nd item I bought of theirs I didnt like I would try another brand, not, say well, I didnt like the tv, or the audio reciever, but ahh lets get the game system...I would say lets see they bit me once, that was on them, they bit me twice, its kinda falling on me now, but lets go three times so I can complain about how bad their products are, when in reality you might be in the 2-3% of their products failing category? sounds like bad luck with Sony. Now about the Possible thing, when I read someone write their is a possible recall, that sounds like it has been talked about, as really again, the hypothetical stuff could go any which way, so when you say a possible recall, you should really be saying something like a recall that I am making up in my mind right now. And finally your last paragraph about light bulbs and building houses- One good reason for a company to reinvent something, oh gee I dont know- a recall that cost them lots of money, sounds good, but enough of the childs play, you go your way I will go mine, this thread is now filled with garbage of made up situations, Sony bashings, and Lights bulbs not even made yet....have a great day, filled with many dreams of what may come to pass.

mikley28

Dec 20, 2006

Sounds good to me Stu, I'm tired of explaining things more than 3 times to you.

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Ramy

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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Thursday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Thursday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Thursday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Thursday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Thursday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Thursday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Yespage

Yesterday at 10:04 AM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.

AZ. said:
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.

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meStevo

Yesterday at 6:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one

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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish

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Foxbat said:
They ought to have fun with this…

Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call

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meStevo

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AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.

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We've literally got a movie already about this

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meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.

That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

harshness said:
There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

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harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
This is true of literally anything, though.

Do you think that means we ought to be supporting it as the long-term solution?

Foxbat

Monday at 11:01 PM

Foxbat

55 minutes ago

Oops.

AI Agent Blamed for Deleting Entire Upcoming Season of TV Show

An AI agent reportedly deleted the entire final cut of the upcoming season of a Swedish reality competition show.

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 9:17 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

The Carbonaro Effect

I was watching some of this guy's stuff and realized some of you may not be familiar. Basically his show is Candid Camera meets a magician. This is a comp of a few of his exploits. I first learned of him when I was out at a meeting in Denver about 10yrs ago. The men I was sitting at the table with started talking about this show and said it was one of the funniest things they had seen. When I got home I started watching it....yes, it is funny.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIU09F8jdwc

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dishstaller

Sunday at 11:36 PM

This one however is my all time favorite. Look at the way this guy holds the drill when he starts freaking out.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt5DpFBtZwk&pp=ygUXY2FyYm9uYXJvIGVmZmVjdCByb21sZXk%3D

dishstaller

Today at 9:17 PM

This is a Best Of compilation

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JohnGalt1234

Last reply Today at 9:02 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

H3 EHD lists upcoming airings instead of recordings on EHD and often won't recognize EHD is connected after reboot

This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).

On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!

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Almighty1

Today at 6:55 PM

Thanks JohnGalt1234 - That's interesting. I wonder are the Boot Strap versions different between a Hopper 3 only and a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup as I have the later. I guess when charlesrshell is able to since he has both setups, he can do the test. Unless the bootstrap version is tied to when the specific Hopper 3 is manufactured, in my case, mines is from February 2016 when it was installed.

At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.

This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.

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JohnGalt1234

Today at 6:55 PM

Sorry about dupe images... having a heck of a time trying to post an image of other H3 that my gf text to me.

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JohnGalt1234

Today at 6:56 PM

JohnGalt1234 said:
Sorry about dupe images... having a heck of a time trying to post an image of other H3 that my gf text to me.

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JohnGalt1234

Today at 7:00 PM

Almighty1 said:
Thanks JohnGalt1234 - That's interesting. I wonder are the Boot Strap versions different between a Hopper 3 only and a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup as I have the later. I guess when charlesrshell is able to since he has both setups, he can do the test. Unless the bootstrap version is tied to when the specific Hopper 3 is manufactured, in my case, mines is from February 2016 when it was installed.

At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.

View attachment 194853

This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.

The image I just sent for master H3 is on hopper+., casino is not but both Vs and bootstraps are the same.

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Almighty1

Today at 7:18 PM

JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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JohnGalt1234

Today at 9:02 PM

Almighty1 said:
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

View attachment 194857

As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 9:01 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Today at 12:41 PM

Somewhere in Time - John Barry

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Today at 4:29 PM

In Time - Kit Watkins

dishstaller

Today at 7:43 PM

Time In a Bottle - Jim Croce

EatMyVolts

Today at 8:58 PM

No Time -- The Guess Who

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Today at 9:01 PM

The Devil Went Down to Georgia - Charlie Daniels

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Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 8:44 PM · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/14/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261014.xlsx 1,874 KB

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KyL416

Sep 18, 2026

Now testing on the stream server:
WJBF-D2 CW Augusta GA
KSVI-D2 CW Billings MT
WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX

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KyL416

Oct 8, 2026

PISTONS and THUNDER are finally testing on the stream server. PISTONS is showing the Ion/Scripps Sports promo loop filler that their NHL and WNBA feeds have, THUNDER has a "You are watching Thunder+" slate

The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

So far nothing testing for the Bucks, Magic, Hawks or Hornets.

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KyL416

Thursday at 6:36 PM

KyL416 said:
WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX

These are now live on stream and weren't testing on satellite as of yesterday:
WETM-DT/19 CW Elmira
WJET-DT/25 CW Erie
KLFY-DT/11 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 CW Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 CW Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 CW Utica
KFDX-DT/4 CW Wichita Falls

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KyL416

Thursday at 7:30 PM

KyL416 said:
The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

West Palm Beach is getting it on WTCN-CD/43 MNT. Still nothing for Fort Myers

Also, the Thunder's deal for KSBI/52 OKC and KQCW/19 Tulsa will be via a special cable and DIRECTV only feed of those stations. OTA viewers and Dish customers will be limited to 10 games.

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dtv757

Yesterday at 9:12 AM

Thanks for the updates on CW norfolk
Hopefully comes to sat soon!!

dtv757

Today at 8:34 PM

Not seeing 44 (WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk ) on my D* app for firestick

KyL416

Today at 8:44 PM

It's only available for streaming customers, they still haven't added that batch of CW stations to satellite.

Even if it was, satellite customers still can't stream their CW affiliates via the app, just the Big 4, select PBS stations and some independents (mainly the ones that have full season NHL/NBA rights)

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TheRatPatrol

Last reply Today at 8:13 PM · posted in TV Shows

NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?

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Jimbo

Monday at 11:41 PM

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BIdMzUBHvjw?feature=share

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Jimbo

Tuesday at 6:25 PM

Jimbo said:
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BIdMzUBHvjw?feature=share

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?

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Howard Simmons

Thursday at 1:19 PM

Jimbo said:
Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?

Tony as the director.

Jimbo

Thursday at 2:13 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.

Would you rather have LaRoche ???

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Howard Simmons

Yesterday at 11:30 AM

Jimbo said:
Would you rather have LaRoche ???

No. Bring in someone new.

Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 12:50 PM

Howard Simmons said:
No. Bring in someone new. Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.

I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.

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KAB

Today at 6:18 AM

I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.

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Jimbo

Today at 7:40 AM

KAB said:
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.

I'm curious how they are going to implement Tony into Origins (If they do) ...
Tony was introduced to Gibbs and the team, on NCIS, which makes it the Mothership side of things, he worked in Baltimore prior to NCIS, NO mention when they met that anyone had known one another ...

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Jimbo

Today at 8:13 PM

KAB said:
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.

Teased Meeting ?

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Lon.TV

Today at 7:22 PM · posted in Lon.TV

Local AI Coding from Scratch: A Practical Beginner's Guide

Time for another AWESOME video from Lon Seidman of LON.TV!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBnhKwMxIhs

Direct YouTube Link - Local AI Coding from Scratch: A Practical Beginner's Guide
The Official LON.TV Website
Lon on Facebook

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brittanygarden

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Today at 7:20 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Are you experiencing an issue with your 3rd party remote since the newest Hopper update?

Please post your remote make/model here and any details of your issue. We are looking to collect as many examples as possible. I may reach out to you for your receiver number, but please do not post it here.

If you've already reported this to me, please repost it here so I can track all instances in one thread.

Thanks!
Brittany

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david_jr

Oct 5, 2026

I lost IR control of my H3 after the H398 update in September of 25. We were using the Harmony Hub remote system from Logitech. We have been using the H3 OEM remote to turn the receiver on and off ever since then.

H398 Software Version

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bookworm370

Monday at 9:50 AM

I have a solution that is guaranteed to work.
All Hopper developers are required to turn in their RF Hopper remotes and use only IR remotes.

I guarantee you that the bug will be fixed in two days!
Try it; it will work! They will work 24 hours a day to fix it when the WAF goes into the toilet!

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GRB1959

Monday at 10:31 AM

bookworm370 said:
I have a solution that is guaranteed to work.
All Hopper developers are required to turn in their RF Hopper remotes and use only IR remotes.

I guarantee you that the bug will be fixed in two days!
Try it; it will work! They will work 24 hours a day to fix it when the WAF goes into the toilet!

Excellent suggestion.

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david_jr

Tuesday at 6:15 PM

david_jr said:
I lost IR control of my H3 after the H398 update in September of 25. We were using the Harmony Hub remote system from Logitech. We have been using the H3 OEM remote to turn the receiver on and off ever since then.

H398 Software Version

BTW my bedroom H3 does not have this problem where I am using a Harmony 650. Also has there been any more feedback? Are they still working on this or what?

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Foxbat

Tuesday at 6:49 PM

I think I have a separate issue with our Hopper 3 when watching/recording a 4K event. I have had many instances of it spontaneously restarting when I "disturbed" it during a 4K event. I learned to not touch the remote after a given point.

But it might be the IR code subroutine and 4K that make it touchy. I'll try it Wednesday night during the NLCS Game 3.

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JeffN9

Tuesday at 7:14 PM

Foxbat said:
I think I have a separate issue with our Hopper 3 when watching/recording a 4K event. I have had many instances of it spontaneously restarting when I "disturbed" it during a 4K event. I learned to not touch the remote after a given point.

But it might be the IR code subroutine and 4K that make it touchy. I'll try it Wednesday night during the NLCS Game 3.

I was having similar issues last night while watching and recording the NLCS game on 148. When I tried resuming the game at one point the screen went blank and I couldn't get my H3 to respond to any remote commands. Eventually the Hopper went to a HD channel but still no remote response. After a while the Hopper went into a re-boot cycle. This happened at least 3 times. I was using an IR universal remote only.

A little frustrating to have the game broken up like that but at least the Brewers won

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bookworm370

Today at 3:13 PM

GRB1959 said:
Excellent suggestion.

Yea, I've only been a CIO for the last 30 years!

Trust me, when something important breaks, they get to own it!

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Astroman3427

Today at 7:20 PM

Loaded H713 software on my Hopper 3 last week. Have not seen any change in the IR/RF remote issues with my Harmony 700.
Has Dish acknowledged this is a problem and are they committed to fixing it?
I'd be happy to roll back to last July.

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 7:14 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

Homemade Breakfast Sausage

Anyone making their own breakfast sausage? I've recently been trying different recipes, found some I like, some I've modified...

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navychop

Today at 8:14 AM

Bob Evans Sage.

reubenray

Today at 8:41 AM

navychop said:
Bob Evans Sage.

I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

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dfergie

Today at 10:17 AM

They run Owens at $3.99 for lb and $7.99 a couple times a month at some grocery stores here, I actually was wrong, just checked a pork sirloin roast it was $1.99 a lb. (cooked it yesterday so pack was in trash)

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TRG

Today at 6:19 PM

reubenray said:
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.

Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

reubenray

Today at 6:38 PM

TRG said:
Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

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No Kroger's near me. I live in the heart of Walmart land. The only option besides Walmart is Harp's.

TRG

Today at 6:41 PM

reubenray said:
I live in the heart of Walmart land.

My deepest condolences.

reubenray

Today at 7:14 PM

TRG said:
My deepest condolences.

Surprisingly I moved here from the Gulf Coast due to the heat. But it has been hotter here due to the heat domes than it did down there.

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