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By Jim Lynch
My column last month about Playstation 3 Losers needing to get a life brought out quite a reaction from readers. Some loved my column, and others agreed with some points but not with my tone. But there was another group—the PS3 fanboys—who pulled no punches in email and in the forum feedback thread. These folks were downright angry as my column apparently violated the central tenet of their videogame religion: Thou Shalt Speak No Evil of Sony. I'll get to their reactions shortly as I respond to some of the feedback from the column.
Please note that in some cases, I've had to bleep out some of the nastier language as we try to be a family-friendly site.
Some people took umbrage at the use of the term "losers" to describe the various people involved with the PS3's launch (consumers, Sony, media, etc.). Some also accused ExtremeTech's editors of plotting to publish "flame-bait" in order to reap more traffic.
Ahmedfarazch writes:
I think it's you who is the biggest loser, writing such a lame article just to generate some traffic! I think ExtremeTech after all these years has become stagnant and lazy
Well here's some background on how my column actually took shape, Ahmed (nice to know that folks in Pakistan are reading ET). It never came about as a suggestion at an ET editorial meeting. Instead it popped into my head as I watched the PS3 media coverage on TV and read stories on the web. The more I found out, the more I considered the situation to be pretty much total lunacy. At that point I had some strong feelings.
The usual way I express those feelings is to sit down and write. So what readers got was a visceral reaction to what I'd seen happening during the PS3 launch. It was an honest and straightforward opinion piece that covered the gamut of my reaction to what I'd seen. Nobody at ET even knew I was planning to do it until I mentioned it. It basically evolved organically as most of my opinion pieces do.
Now could I have toned it down? Made it blander? Made it more...palatable...to those easily offended fanboy types? Sure, but then why bother to write it in the first place? Sometimes an emphatic response to certain things happens and that all came out in the writing of my column. While not every column or review I write contains such emotion, some do and I don't apologize for that at all. You'll see more of it from time to time.
Also, the fact that it was an opinion piece seems to have escaped a few people who claimed that we weren't publishing "objective" reviews, etc. Well an opinion piece is just that, it's not a review nor should it be considered as such. If a reader does make that kind of mistake, it's on him or her to realize that what they are reading actually is meant to be.
One last point, a couple of folks in the forum had a sense of humor and thought I might have written my column because I couldn't get a PS3 at launch. Heh, heh. Thanks for the thought guys but I wasn't in the market for one. Continued...
One of the misconceptions by some readers was that I'm not a gamer and had never played a console system before.
Dragonwarrioriv writes:
You don't understand how people could pay $500+ for a video game console eh? That's easily understood because, well, you aren't a gaming enthusiast. And, your opinion as a tech editor is severely tarnished in my opinion. Why? Because you're a non-gamer writing an article about games. Leave that to the grown-ups, Jim. Stick to the writing that you do best.
I've been gaming since Pong so, yes, I have played lots of different consoles and hundreds of different games in my life. Apparently though, one is not considered a real gamer unless one worships at the altar of Sony and accepts everything the company does as gospel.
Also, some of the fanboy geniuses found my profile in the story and assumed that it was completely up to date. Well sorry for the confusion guys but Tribes isn't my favorite game at this point, World of Warcraft is what I'm playing these days. The info in the profile is outdated and shame on us at ExtremeTech for not updating it earlier.
Blu-ray Uber Alles
Another point that some folks disagreed with me on was the inclusion of Blu-ray in the PS3. This has added around $150-$200 to the price of the PS3 console. Is it worth it? Not in my book, but some disagreed strenuously with me on that.
Masaville writes:
I am thoroughly enjoying the Blu-ray player in the PS3, which by the way is significantly cheaper than a stand-alone player. That alone justified the $500 price tag of the PS3.
Jimbonics writes:
The 200 dollar price difference between the 360 and P3 is easily justified by the inclusion of the Blu-ray. The 360's HD-DVD add-on is $199, so.....
I'm glad that folks are enjoying the PS3's Blu-ray drive but my feeling is that Blu-ray is still an unproven format and may succumb to the betamax syndrome as time goes by. It faces stiff competition by HD-DVD and it remains to be seen whether or not Blu-ray will even survive. So why should PS3 gamers be forced by Sony into coughing up more money to support a format that may go the way of the do-do? Why not make it an optional drive that not all PS3 gamers have to buy?
Wake up PS3 gamers. You are being used as pawns in the DVD format wars. Doesn't this bother you? You've been forced to pay a higher price for your game console solely to support Sony's bid for high resolution DVD supremacy. Shame on Sony and shame on the PS3 gamers for going along with it. Continued...
Some folks took me to task about the column because they felt that ExtremeTech and other Ziff Davis publications had hyped Blu-ray and the PS3 in the past.
Digit_F6 writes:
WHERE WERE YOU BEFORE ALL THE HYPE?! Last time I checked, you guys (at Ziff Davis) were all saying how great Blu-ray was and how the only way to get it "cheap" was with a PS3. However, you were also saying that the public should wait until the Blu-ray format was implemented and available with more movies. But guess what? SONY CONTROLS A LARGE PORTION OF THE EMTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY!!! Why wouldn't the idiots go out and buy a PS3, especially if the PS3 is the only thing that plays Blu-ray discs?
I put a small part of the blame on YOU JIM, and any other journalist for helping sustain the demand for this electronic dope if not outright helping create it (the demand, that is). Think about THAT at the upcoming CES show! You didn't say what an over priced piece of junk you thought the PS3 was THEN so in a small way you are guilty for the problems the marketing strategy created. You might even say the same for XBox, Nintendo and even "Pong." But because YOU (journalists and any one else of influence) didn't help LESSEN the demand you might as well have shot those people yourself
So how dare I write a column pointing out all the flaws and problems with the PS3 launch, eh Digit? Well I don't speak for anybody at Ziff except myself in my column and nobody else who writes for Ziff speaks directly for me in their columns. Each of us has a unique voice and we express it how and when we want to.
So you may very well have read a lot of what you thought was hype, written by other writers at Ziff Davis. Just remember that they speak for themselves and not for me (and vice versa). Whenever I feel compelled to write about something, I will do so regardless of what anybody else at Ziff Davis or any other company has already written about that topic.
Shortages? There Are No Shortages!
Another thing some folks took issue with was shortages of the PS3 (and other consoles at launch).
Mkozlows: "Fake shortages?" This is a ridiculous canard tossed out by people who want to seem sophisticated and cynical, but who are actually clueless. The reality is that the console makers can pretty much sell everything they can make at launch, and they would absolutely love to sell millions and millions of consoles— but they can't, because they can't manufacture them that fast. Sony in particular was nailed by manufacturing difficulties that caused them to scrub the worldwide launch, and even then massively underdeliver to the US and Japan. You don't piss off Europe and revise forecasts downward as part of a clever marketing ploy. The shortages are real.
Sorry Mkozlows but I have to disagree. All Sony and any other manufacturer would have to do to avoid a "shortage" is give themselves enough time to stockpile their products before launch. Since they don't do this and never have, it's clear that they are aiming to induce hysteria among the masses via media reports about fake shortages. It's an excellent marketing strategy but that doesn't make it any less of a lie. Continued...
Although I got some very well written feedback, with detailed responses, I also got what can only be called fanboy gibberish. These folks went right off the deep end, without pausing or looking back.
Read the article that started this storm: PlayStation 3 Losers Need to Get a Life .
Here's some of the classier fanboy feedback (profanities are bleeped):
From Yulier:
You BLEEP. I hope you know you just insulted Millions of people. YOU PC NERD STOP PLAYING A GAME THATS 3 YEARS OLD ,TRIBES LOL WHAT AN OLD BLEEP BLEEP GAME.YOU BLEEP UP BLEEP
From Nathan:
You know BLEEP all rofl, it's a sad day in hell when losers like you start trying to think they know BLEEP about what's cool and what's not.
From Amandeep:
YOUR A PIECE OF BLEEP!! I HATE YOU!!! YOUR A BLEEPING BLEEP!!! YOU BLEEP BLEEP
From Graham:
What a stupid BLEEP you are...ignorant, brainless, BLEEP little BLEEP such as yourself.
From Justin:
Have a cry you stupid BLEEP.
Well what can I say to you guys? Your intelligent, thoughtful, and articulate emails have me reeling and reconsidering my position on why some PS3 gamers are losers. Not.
Nathan, Amandeep, Graham, Justin and Yulier weren't the worst emails I got. One actually included an alteration of a photo of me. The alteration involved Michael Jackson and a male body part. I can't get more specific than that or include it here as, I said above, we are a family-friendly site. Suffice to say that some folks were off their meds when they were emailing me. Fortunately, I've got a thick skin so none of it bothered me though I did find most of it amusing in a silly sort of way.
Thanks for all the email and feedback in the forum, guys. Glad you all liked the column, enjoy those over-priced PS3s.
By Jim Lynch
My column last month about Playstation 3 Losers needing to get a life brought out quite a reaction from readers. Some loved my column, and others agreed with some points but not with my tone. But there was another group—the PS3 fanboys—who pulled no punches in email and in the forum feedback thread. These folks were downright angry as my column apparently violated the central tenet of their videogame religion: Thou Shalt Speak No Evil of Sony. I'll get to their reactions shortly as I respond to some of the feedback from the column.
Please note that in some cases, I've had to bleep out some of the nastier language as we try to be a family-friendly site.
Some people took umbrage at the use of the term "losers" to describe the various people involved with the PS3's launch (consumers, Sony, media, etc.). Some also accused ExtremeTech's editors of plotting to publish "flame-bait" in order to reap more traffic.
Ahmedfarazch writes:
I think it's you who is the biggest loser, writing such a lame article just to generate some traffic! I think ExtremeTech after all these years has become stagnant and lazy
Well here's some background on how my column actually took shape, Ahmed (nice to know that folks in Pakistan are reading ET). It never came about as a suggestion at an ET editorial meeting. Instead it popped into my head as I watched the PS3 media coverage on TV and read stories on the web. The more I found out, the more I considered the situation to be pretty much total lunacy. At that point I had some strong feelings.
The usual way I express those feelings is to sit down and write. So what readers got was a visceral reaction to what I'd seen happening during the PS3 launch. It was an honest and straightforward opinion piece that covered the gamut of my reaction to what I'd seen. Nobody at ET even knew I was planning to do it until I mentioned it. It basically evolved organically as most of my opinion pieces do.
Now could I have toned it down? Made it blander? Made it more...palatable...to those easily offended fanboy types? Sure, but then why bother to write it in the first place? Sometimes an emphatic response to certain things happens and that all came out in the writing of my column. While not every column or review I write contains such emotion, some do and I don't apologize for that at all. You'll see more of it from time to time.
Also, the fact that it was an opinion piece seems to have escaped a few people who claimed that we weren't publishing "objective" reviews, etc. Well an opinion piece is just that, it's not a review nor should it be considered as such. If a reader does make that kind of mistake, it's on him or her to realize that what they are reading actually is meant to be.
One last point, a couple of folks in the forum had a sense of humor and thought I might have written my column because I couldn't get a PS3 at launch. Heh, heh. Thanks for the thought guys but I wasn't in the market for one. Continued...
One of the misconceptions by some readers was that I'm not a gamer and had never played a console system before.
Dragonwarrioriv writes:
You don't understand how people could pay $500+ for a video game console eh? That's easily understood because, well, you aren't a gaming enthusiast. And, your opinion as a tech editor is severely tarnished in my opinion. Why? Because you're a non-gamer writing an article about games. Leave that to the grown-ups, Jim. Stick to the writing that you do best.
I've been gaming since Pong so, yes, I have played lots of different consoles and hundreds of different games in my life. Apparently though, one is not considered a real gamer unless one worships at the altar of Sony and accepts everything the company does as gospel.
Also, some of the fanboy geniuses found my profile in the story and assumed that it was completely up to date. Well sorry for the confusion guys but Tribes isn't my favorite game at this point, World of Warcraft is what I'm playing these days. The info in the profile is outdated and shame on us at ExtremeTech for not updating it earlier.
Blu-ray Uber Alles
Another point that some folks disagreed with me on was the inclusion of Blu-ray in the PS3. This has added around $150-$200 to the price of the PS3 console. Is it worth it? Not in my book, but some disagreed strenuously with me on that.
Masaville writes:
I am thoroughly enjoying the Blu-ray player in the PS3, which by the way is significantly cheaper than a stand-alone player. That alone justified the $500 price tag of the PS3.
Jimbonics writes:
The 200 dollar price difference between the 360 and P3 is easily justified by the inclusion of the Blu-ray. The 360's HD-DVD add-on is $199, so.....
I'm glad that folks are enjoying the PS3's Blu-ray drive but my feeling is that Blu-ray is still an unproven format and may succumb to the betamax syndrome as time goes by. It faces stiff competition by HD-DVD and it remains to be seen whether or not Blu-ray will even survive. So why should PS3 gamers be forced by Sony into coughing up more money to support a format that may go the way of the do-do? Why not make it an optional drive that not all PS3 gamers have to buy?
Wake up PS3 gamers. You are being used as pawns in the DVD format wars. Doesn't this bother you? You've been forced to pay a higher price for your game console solely to support Sony's bid for high resolution DVD supremacy. Shame on Sony and shame on the PS3 gamers for going along with it. Continued...
Some folks took me to task about the column because they felt that ExtremeTech and other Ziff Davis publications had hyped Blu-ray and the PS3 in the past.
Digit_F6 writes:
WHERE WERE YOU BEFORE ALL THE HYPE?! Last time I checked, you guys (at Ziff Davis) were all saying how great Blu-ray was and how the only way to get it "cheap" was with a PS3. However, you were also saying that the public should wait until the Blu-ray format was implemented and available with more movies. But guess what? SONY CONTROLS A LARGE PORTION OF THE EMTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY!!! Why wouldn't the idiots go out and buy a PS3, especially if the PS3 is the only thing that plays Blu-ray discs?
I put a small part of the blame on YOU JIM, and any other journalist for helping sustain the demand for this electronic dope if not outright helping create it (the demand, that is). Think about THAT at the upcoming CES show! You didn't say what an over priced piece of junk you thought the PS3 was THEN so in a small way you are guilty for the problems the marketing strategy created. You might even say the same for XBox, Nintendo and even "Pong." But because YOU (journalists and any one else of influence) didn't help LESSEN the demand you might as well have shot those people yourself
So how dare I write a column pointing out all the flaws and problems with the PS3 launch, eh Digit? Well I don't speak for anybody at Ziff except myself in my column and nobody else who writes for Ziff speaks directly for me in their columns. Each of us has a unique voice and we express it how and when we want to.
So you may very well have read a lot of what you thought was hype, written by other writers at Ziff Davis. Just remember that they speak for themselves and not for me (and vice versa). Whenever I feel compelled to write about something, I will do so regardless of what anybody else at Ziff Davis or any other company has already written about that topic.
Shortages? There Are No Shortages!
Another thing some folks took issue with was shortages of the PS3 (and other consoles at launch).
Mkozlows: "Fake shortages?" This is a ridiculous canard tossed out by people who want to seem sophisticated and cynical, but who are actually clueless. The reality is that the console makers can pretty much sell everything they can make at launch, and they would absolutely love to sell millions and millions of consoles— but they can't, because they can't manufacture them that fast. Sony in particular was nailed by manufacturing difficulties that caused them to scrub the worldwide launch, and even then massively underdeliver to the US and Japan. You don't piss off Europe and revise forecasts downward as part of a clever marketing ploy. The shortages are real.
Sorry Mkozlows but I have to disagree. All Sony and any other manufacturer would have to do to avoid a "shortage" is give themselves enough time to stockpile their products before launch. Since they don't do this and never have, it's clear that they are aiming to induce hysteria among the masses via media reports about fake shortages. It's an excellent marketing strategy but that doesn't make it any less of a lie. Continued...
Although I got some very well written feedback, with detailed responses, I also got what can only be called fanboy gibberish. These folks went right off the deep end, without pausing or looking back.
Read the article that started this storm: PlayStation 3 Losers Need to Get a Life .
Here's some of the classier fanboy feedback (profanities are bleeped):
From Yulier:
You BLEEP. I hope you know you just insulted Millions of people. YOU PC NERD STOP PLAYING A GAME THATS 3 YEARS OLD ,TRIBES LOL WHAT AN OLD BLEEP BLEEP GAME.YOU BLEEP UP BLEEP
From Nathan:
You know BLEEP all rofl, it's a sad day in hell when losers like you start trying to think they know BLEEP about what's cool and what's not.
From Amandeep:
YOUR A PIECE OF BLEEP!! I HATE YOU!!! YOUR A BLEEPING BLEEP!!! YOU BLEEP BLEEP
From Graham:
What a stupid BLEEP you are...ignorant, brainless, BLEEP little BLEEP such as yourself.
From Justin:
Have a cry you stupid BLEEP.
Well what can I say to you guys? Your intelligent, thoughtful, and articulate emails have me reeling and reconsidering my position on why some PS3 gamers are losers. Not.
Nathan, Amandeep, Graham, Justin and Yulier weren't the worst emails I got. One actually included an alteration of a photo of me. The alteration involved Michael Jackson and a male body part. I can't get more specific than that or include it here as, I said above, we are a family-friendly site. Suffice to say that some folks were off their meds when they were emailing me. Fortunately, I've got a thick skin so none of it bothered me though I did find most of it amusing in a silly sort of way.
Thanks for all the email and feedback in the forum, guys. Glad you all liked the column, enjoy those over-priced PS3s.
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Lets put one thing to rest. I was not forced to buy a BluRay drive. I was forced to buy a Playstation 3 for a low cost BluRay drive. I think you have that turned around. I did not see anyone holding a gun to the heads of the over 700,000 PS3 owners when they purchased their PS3s. And 2 million BluRay players including the PS3 only does not count if no one buys BluRay discs. I currently own 19 and I am sure most who purchased a PS3 have purchased a few BluRay movies even if they don't have a HDTV just to check it out. If the consumer does not want a BluRay they can buy the XBOX360. It is a very capable game machine. Don't blame Sony for adding a BluRay to the PS3. To those who own one it is a welcomed addition and I am posistive none of us feel ripped off. Those who do, take the PS3 back and get a XBOX360 and be happy.
No one can force anyone to purchase anything-- got that!
Second, there was no mass hysteria other than that caused by greedy SOB's that decided to purchase PS3s and rip others off. If someone was stupid enough to pay more then retail then it was their money to waste. I purchased mine at a 10% discount the first week of December from Target. Don't blame the actions of a few greedy SOBs and the idiots that edged them on by paying their rediculous prices on Sony. And the incidents that happened around the country were done by mostly those same greedy individuals.
As for unproven technology. What unproven technology are you talking about. A CELL processor that not only works but is being put into supercomputers for medical and scientific research? A BluRay drive that not only works but delivers great HD picture and lossless sound? How about Bluetooth technology that not only works but works flawlessly? A video GPU from a company that is one of the major leaders in video GPUS? Just what unproven technology from IBM, Sony, Nividea and Toshiba are you talking about here? Gee, that's right, Toshiba helped design the CELL chip.
Could Sony have done a better job -- yes. But I have not yet seen a company release a new product that did not have any problems with the release of that product. So, yes Sony could have done a better job -- but they still delivered. They delivered a product (while not in the numbers they were pushing around) that worked and they kept their word about contiuning flow to the retailers. Name me one product that has been released in the last 10 years that did not have hiccups during and after the lauch? Heck even Nintendo has had to recall all of their controllers because of flying controller accidents. And while you are at it name one new popular portable entertainment product that does not immeadiately go to EBAY for sell at a rediculous price?
Your statements are rambling BS trying to put blame where blame does not belong. The article by Mr. Lynch is primarily flaming and additional BS. Maybe before the PS3 was out your's and his statements had some validity but the PS3 is out now. It works, it doesn't melt discs, freeze up, overheat, die or kill any of its owners-- it just plain works and works well! And if you are unhappy about that then don't buy one. Nobody is forcing you to-- are they?
No one can force anyone to purchase anything-- got that!
Second, there was no mass hysteria other than that caused by greedy SOB's that decided to purchase PS3s and rip others off. If someone was stupid enough to pay more then retail then it was their money to waste. I purchased mine at a 10% discount the first week of December from Target. Don't blame the actions of a few greedy SOBs and the idiots that edged them on by paying their rediculous prices on Sony. And the incidents that happened around the country were done by mostly those same greedy individuals.
As for unproven technology. What unproven technology are you talking about. A CELL processor that not only works but is being put into supercomputers for medical and scientific research? A BluRay drive that not only works but delivers great HD picture and lossless sound? How about Bluetooth technology that not only works but works flawlessly? A video GPU from a company that is one of the major leaders in video GPUS? Just what unproven technology from IBM, Sony, Nividea and Toshiba are you talking about here? Gee, that's right, Toshiba helped design the CELL chip.
Could Sony have done a better job -- yes. But I have not yet seen a company release a new product that did not have any problems with the release of that product. So, yes Sony could have done a better job -- but they still delivered. They delivered a product (while not in the numbers they were pushing around) that worked and they kept their word about contiuning flow to the retailers. Name me one product that has been released in the last 10 years that did not have hiccups during and after the lauch? Heck even Nintendo has had to recall all of their controllers because of flying controller accidents. And while you are at it name one new popular portable entertainment product that does not immeadiately go to EBAY for sell at a rediculous price?
Your statements are rambling BS trying to put blame where blame does not belong. The article by Mr. Lynch is primarily flaming and additional BS. Maybe before the PS3 was out your's and his statements had some validity but the PS3 is out now. It works, it doesn't melt discs, freeze up, overheat, die or kill any of its owners-- it just plain works and works well! And if you are unhappy about that then don't buy one. Nobody is forcing you to-- are they?
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So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one
Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Tony as the director.
Would you rather have LaRoche ???Tony as the director.
No. Bring in someone new.
Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...No. Bring in someone new.
Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)
Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.
Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.
It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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I was having similar issues last night while watching and recording the NLCS game on 148. When I tried resuming the game at one point the screen went blank and I couldn't get my H3 to respond to any remote commands. Eventually the Hopper went to a HD channel but still no remote response. After a while the Hopper went into a re-boot cycle. This happened at least 3 times. I was using an IR universal remote only.
A little frustrating to have the game broken up like that but at least the Brewers won
Yea, I've only been a CIO for the last 30 years!
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This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).
On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
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Thanks JohnGalt1234 - That's interesting. I wonder are the Boot Strap versions different between a Hopper 3 only and a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup as I have the later. I guess when charlesrshell is able to since he has both setups, he can do the test. Unless the bootstrap version is tied to when the specific Hopper 3 is manufactured, in my case, mines is from February 2016 when it was installed.
At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.
This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.
At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.
This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?
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Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?
This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.
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Two bugs out and three new bugs in.
Yep. Just got a call from a customer who said her DVR buttons stopped working. Told her about the new software and had her reboot her H3, problem solved.Two bugs out and three new bugs in.
