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By way of introduction, let me just say that I hate Dishnetwork.
Lately they have been failing to include the 6' coax RG59 jumper(s) that come with dual tuners (namely, the 322 and 625). They are a bunch of cheap elitest nazis. For a while it went from TWO of these jumpers down to ONE. Which is bad enough. But now they have NONE!? WHAT GIVES?! It costs me $0.50 to make a jumper, times four TVs on an average install, times 3 installs a day, times 5 days a week, times four weeks in a month... That's $120 a month. That PISSES ME OFF. I bet the same cables cost them AT MOST $0.20 at the quantities they purchase. Not to mention the extra 2-3 minutes it takes to make the jumper...
Any installers with me on this?
Lately they have been failing to include the 6' coax RG59 jumper(s) that come with dual tuners (namely, the 322 and 625). They are a bunch of cheap elitest nazis. For a while it went from TWO of these jumpers down to ONE. Which is bad enough. But now they have NONE!? WHAT GIVES?! It costs me $0.50 to make a jumper, times four TVs on an average install, times 3 installs a day, times 5 days a week, times four weeks in a month... That's $120 a month. That PISSES ME OFF. I bet the same cables cost them AT MOST $0.20 at the quantities they purchase. Not to mention the extra 2-3 minutes it takes to make the jumper...
Any installers with me on this?
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The OP wasn't referring to the jumper cable coming into the receiver. Most techs won't use RG-59 to supply signal.
He was referring to the jumper cable feeding the television. The 622 is a moot point. You'll either use components or HDMI.
And yes, it does become a bit aggravating to make a few cables for each house. Granted, it's only an extra five minutes per install. Over the course of a week...or a month...it does add up. Much like the actual costs of said supplies. Not to reiterate, but $100/month out of your paycheck is a bummer, wouldn't you agree?
OOOH buddy. I understand where you're coming from and the attitude you're afraid of, but you don't know the half of it. Did you read my sig? I don't own a TV by CHOICE. I'd love to get out of this line of work, and I'm planning on it. Just not in the near future. (I don't hate the retailer I get most of my work from. He's a fairly smooth operator, and I'm happy enough with his performance. I'll be giving him a two month notice MINIMALLY if and WHEN I decide to move on to work that's easier on the conscience.)
I don't sell these systems. I can't. I simply can't SELL a product I believe so strongly against. (Ironcially I'd probably be the best salesman because almost every sales complaint has to do with promises made by sales personel that went unfufilled - HD Locals in all markets; quoted a certain price without explaining need for phone lines; etc. All these... 'deceptions' stem from a strong desire to make the sale. I have a desire to kill the sale, so I'd give AAALLLLL the negatives first. I dunno, maybe it's just me. If I were bying something I'd want THAT kind of salesman.) Also note that I'm not saying Dish is terrible specifically in relation to their competition. Dish is actually the best (IMHO) at what they do. Best prices, best HD offerings, best picture quality, etc. It's the overwhelmingly vast majority of what is brodcast that I don't like (regardless of the carrier - Dish, OTA, Direct, Cable).
But I can and do INSTALL the systems. It's just grunt work. It doesn't take any passion or belief in Dish Network. I could do this for Direct TV or Time Warner or whoever. I don't like those companies either. But yeah, you really WOULD like me to do your installation very much so. Not because of my belief in Dish but because of my belief in Another. Hey, some people even appreciate my ability to seperate my fealty from a particulary company who gives me most my work. I'm able to tell them with no internal hesitation at all that Time Warner does internet faster, and that lots of people hate Dish HD Lite.
I do get tips from time to time (just got one yesterday, in fact) but it's rare. I don't go out of my way to earn an extra $10-$20. It's just a matter of personal experience and financial common sense. I've found the extra 30 to 60 min I'd have to spend at a job site trying to impress a customer for a SMALL CHANCE (not many people tip) to get $20 just isn't worth it when I could get a job done efficiently, and go do another service call for a guaranteed $35 (minimally) in the same amount of time.
Having said all that, keep in mind I do NOT attempt to kill sales that dishnetwork has already made! When I go to a customer's house, I go out of my way to NOT discuss prices and promises made by Dish. I want to get jobs DONE, not downed. I tell the customer what I know but remind them I'm only a tech. I don't know product info like the CSRs. I remind them that they have a window in which to cancel completely with no penalties if they find they must but I do what I can get MY end of the work done and keep the customer happy.
Are you talking about the hex type crimper ones? I do use those for short (6") jumpers that I can prepair before hand (at home)... But I don't think its practical to try to lug around another type of fitting with another crimper tool. Besides, technically, we aren't allowed to use them even in doors! Despite the fact that the jumpers that Dish includes (like, with the DPP Sperator) are exactly those kind of fittings!
Are you talking about the hex type crimper ones? I do use those for short (6") jumpers that I can prepair before hand (at home)... But I don't think its practical to try to lug around another type of fitting with another crimper tool. Besides, technically, we aren't allowed to use them even in doors! Despite the fact that the jumpers that Dish includes (like, with the DPP Sperator) are exactly those kind of fittings!
Actually, I'm talking about THESE fittings...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gilbert-RG-6-Fi...ryZ39803QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
The RSP I contract with has an "approved DNS" list. It seems PPC is the winner. But with that said, the Gilberts will also work with standard compression crimpers.
As far as being "allowed"....I think as long as you're comfortable with the install, then there shouldn't be any issue. Most QC guys don't go indoors
Actually, I'm talking about THESE fittings...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gilbert-RG-6-Fi...ryZ39803QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
The RSP I contract with has an "approved DNS" list. It seems PPC is the winner. But with that said, the Gilberts will also work with standard compression crimpers.
As far as being "allowed"....I think as long as you're comfortable with the install, then there shouldn't be any issue. Most QC guys don't go indoors
Nice price. I'd have to hold them in my hand to see exactly how they seal. Right now I get about $0.20 a pop on my lock N seals, and about $0.14 a pop on the cheapy hex crimp type. Those Gilberts LOOK better than the hex type and in the end that's what matters most for QCs.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Since the Reds have there thread we should too!
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Next 3:10 to Yuma
Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Hmmm, Apple iCloud appears to be missing from the Internet. Attempting to connect yields:
Plus, lots of prompts to enter my iCloud credentials.
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The Apple Support System Status page is showing mostly green now, with Resolved status for the outage that started 17:49 and ended around 19:22 (I guess EST)
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Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.
In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.
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In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.
Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News
Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...
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Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.
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My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inchesThats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.
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My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.
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No, but it is a coop. I am just a member and subscriber
Really, you Lucky Dog !
Do you Work for that ISP ?
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I was reading this article
thehill.com
That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.
And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.
Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.
There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.
In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.
Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.
Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.
So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households
So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.
That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.
But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.
Imagine what 2024 will be like.
Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022
The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
thehill.com
That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.
And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.
Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.
There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.
In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.
Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.
Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.
So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households
So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.
That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.
But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.
Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees.
I thought you might like that.
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