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clark251
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

New Install Questions

Hi, I am finally switching from Cablevision to Dish. The cable prices are just killing me and I what more HD channels, so I took Dish up on their offer. I ordered the AT 200 W/ HD and all the movie channels. I have a total of four TVs, two hd using the VIP211 and two SD using two 311's. I have a few questions about the install and the receiver phone line requirements.
1) What exactly will the dish installer install? How many sat's, etc.
2)How many receivers need to be connected to a phone line to avoid being charged extra?
FYI: I am in Central NJ.
Thank you for your time. Bye bye, cable hello dish!
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If you already have lines into the room you can use the same cables as long as it's rg-6 and not 59 wire...If you do not have cable to those rooms you will have to get them installed by wall fishing, drilling through the floor, drilling through the wall, or drilling through the ceiling. With all those methods it should be secured from weather by either a feedthrough bushing, or a wall plate. there is another way to do it with a remote system that will transmit signal from the receiver to the tv without cables...but that would be way too complicated, expensive, and unreliable. Just figure out how and where you would prefer for the wires to come in to the room and ask if it is possible
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spydrplus said:
If you already have lines into the room you can use the same cables as long as it's rg-6 and not 59 wire...If you do not have cable to those rooms you will have to get them installed by wall fishing, drilling through the floor, drilling through the wall, or drilling through the ceiling. With all those methods it should be secured from weather by either a feedthrough bushing, or a wall plate. there is another way to do it with a remote system that will transmit signal from the receiver to the tv without cables...but that would be way too complicated, expensive, and unreliable. Just figure out how and where you would prefer for the wires to come in to the room and ask if it is possible
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Be careful..some of those examples are what are termed as "custom wiring"..That is chargeable to the customer as above standard....
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Alright, it's like this. I've been doing this just over 2 years, and only worked for one company. Up until recently we did whatever it took to get the job in, even if that meant using eq that the work order did not call for. I'm sure you know that the workorder usually does not properly reflect what is really going on, or what is needed at the customers home. So, if I'm asked to add a wing dish for 61.5 to an existing 4 reciever system, how am I supposed to do that? A 34 switch and a dual was my first assumption, but that wasnt what the work order called for. But I happened to have an extra switch and dual on the truck, so that's what i did. 4 months later I was charged 73$ for using equipment that was not specified on the work order. I should have modified it, fine, I was pissed, but I can't argue with it. So, I start modifying work orders when they're screwey, which reschedules them. Even tho I've closed out the job, it gets rescheduled and ends up in some other companes queque, and somehow I don't get paid for the job. This has happened to me on about 4 jobs, most of them arent too big, but there are guys in my office who have lost 4 rooms becuase of this crap.

I'm of the opinion that the workorder should be 100% correct from the get go, and if it's not, it's should be on Dish, not me.

But i'm still new to the game, so what do i know.
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Roadwarrior said:
Alright, it's like this. I've been doing this just over 2 years, and only worked for one company. Up until recently we did whatever it took to get the job in, even if that meant using eq that the work order did not call for. I'm sure you know that the workorder usually does not properly reflect what is really going on, or what is needed at the customers home. So, if I'm asked to add a wing dish for 61.5 to an existing 4 reciever system, how am I supposed to do that? A 34 switch and a dual was my first assumption, but that wasnt what the work order called for. But I happened to have an extra switch and dual on the truck, so that's what i did. 4 months later I was charged 73$ for using equipment that was not specified on the work order. I should have modified it, fine, I was pissed, but I can't argue with it. So, I start modifying work orders when they're screwey, which reschedules them. Even tho I've closed out the job, it gets rescheduled and ends up in some other companes queque, and somehow I don't get paid for the job. This has happened to me on about 4 jobs, most of them arent too big, but there are guys in my office who have lost 4 rooms becuase of this crap.

I'm of the opinion that the workorder should be 100% correct from the get go, and if it's not, it's should be on Dish, not me.

But i'm still new to the game, so what do i know.
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OK....here's the deal
Yes you should always get the w/o modified..When on the phone with the CSR always make sure the EQ is on the w/o..Ask the CSR to read off the new EQ. ALWAYS ALWAYS ask if the date/ time frame changed..most times the job stays where it is...Even if the job is rescheduled due to a modification IT WILL NOT BE ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER SUB...PERIOD....It is your firm's job....Now your company should have a procedure in place where the tech calls in to dispatch to confirm w/o changes..This is our company policy...NEVER install EQ if it is not on the w/o....If the w/o is incorrect when you get to the job site and you do not have the desired EQ install the w/o as is to get the completion...Advise the cust that Dish will issue another w/o to install the right EQ..If the customer balks and disallows the work, it's not your fault...Your employer should recognize this..However if your employer is fining you for non completes because the w/o is wrong they are a**holes and you should quit immediately..Each time you think you are being ripped off by your employer, document it..get a statement from the office as to why you were charged, Document it..Then talk to a labor attorney...
Anyway, don't put yourself into a position where you are accepting ANY liability..Go by the book...Get the proper documentation before proceeding...Yes I realize that you may be overloaded with work, a common refrain on here, but isi it worth it to do extra work, not get paid and then have your legitimate wages taken from you...Think about it..
Again I cannot emphasize the importance of documentation and communication....Especially on those w/o changes....Remember to call your dispatch to confirm any changes before working...Hopefully your company has a system in place where the dispatch people can check E-Connect and see if the CSR entered the w/o mods....
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dishcomm said:
OK....here's the deal
Yes you should always get the w/o modified..When on the phone with the CSR always make sure the EQ is on the w/o..Ask the CSR to read off the new EQ. ALWAYS ALWAYS ask if the date/ time frame changed..most times the job stays where it is...Even if the job is rescheduled due to a modification IT WILL NOT BE ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER SUB...PERIOD....It is your firm's job....Now your company should have a procedure in place where the tech calls in to dispatch to confirm w/o changes..This is our company policy...NEVER install EQ if it is not on the w/o....If the w/o is incorrect when you get to the job site and you do not have the desired EQ install the w/o as is to get the completion...Advise the cust that Dish will issue another w/o to install the right EQ..If the customer balks and disallows the work, it's not your fault...Your employer should recognize this..However if your employer is fining you for non completes because the w/o is wrong they are a**holes and you should quit immediately..Each time you think you are being ripped off by your employer, document it..get a statement from the office as to why you were charged, Document it..Then talk to a labor attorney...
Anyway, don't put yourself into a position where you are accepting ANY liability..Go by the book...Get the proper documentation before proceeding...Yes I realize that you may be overloaded with work, a common refrain on here, but isi it worth it to do extra work, not get paid and then have your legitimate wages taken from you...Think about it..
Again I cannot emphasize the importance of documentation and communication....Especially on those w/o changes....Remember to call your dispatch to confirm any changes before working...Hopefully your company has a system in place where the dispatch people can check E-Connect and see if the CSR entered the w/o mods....
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noted. Thank's for the input. It's kind of sad that I have to keep such a close eye on my money. I wish I could just do my job and trust my company to pay me for it. Silly newb.
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Roadwarrior said:
noted. Thank's for the input. It's kind of sad that I have to keep such a close eye on my money. I wish I could just do my job and trust my company to pay me for it. Silly newb.
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Yer not a silly newb..You just didn't get he info you needed....I find it amazing how these install companies will let their techs install EQ that isn't on the w/o and then laughingly take wages away for doing exactly what the company wants done..That is , get the job done..
Our firm never lets such skullduggery occur..They want see us techs make a much $ as possible. Thye don't want us getting burned out..There's no hidden chargebacks, no screwing around, no gross overcharges for cable, fittings ,etc..None of that nonsense....It is amazing how many subs royally screw their techs...And get away with it..
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dishcomm said:
Be careful..some of those examples are what are termed as "custom wiring"..That is chargeable to the customer as above standard....
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dish doesn't allow us to charge for "custom wiring" any more, ie: wall fishing. Only things we can charge for now is wiring over 200 feet, trenching over 50 ft, and mirroring. There may be some others but I haven't run into them yet
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spydrplus said:
dish doesn't allow us to charge for "custom wiring" any more, ie: wall fishing. Only things we can charge for now is wiring over 200 feet, trenching over 50 ft, and mirroring. There may be some others but I haven't run into them yet
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Actuall the DISH manual gives deatiled info in what is "standard"..
Custome wirirng becomes necessary when a job will involve an inordicate amount of time. materials or the use of more than one person to get the job done properly.
We make that determination on site..These are rare circumstances but it does happen. For example last year we had a job in an exclusive neighborhood where for some inexplicable reason the electrician wired a 5,000 SF home with RG 59..
The customer wanted 8 receivers. Four of which he was buying..The customer did not want to pay(so what else is new) so we walked away from the job..We refered it back to DNSC.
i have run inot jobs where the customer wanted new wirting even though the home was new and prewired already..This has happened just once..The job would have taken all day, perahps a bit more than that..I told the cust he would have to pay regardless because his home would not allow standard wiring techniques to be used..BTW this was a two story slab built home all brick..The customer wanted NO exposed wiring on the outside of the home.
These are just some examples of where custom wiring is called for and is chargeable..Dish may disallow wall fish, pole mount and other charges. But we have the right to not lose money on a job.
On a standard install we can charge for phone lines, mirrors, addtional outlets, excessive /difficult burials....I will charge a customer for an entire burial if the soil is very hard to dig..They will pay or the cable stays on the surface and the customer signs off on that..The bottom line is I do this work to make money. A profit. Dish has their rules and I libve by them..But there are lines that do not get crossed.If the cutomer balks at paying , I simply inform my dispatch and we they will let dish know about the situation. Most times the GM at the DNSC office is very understanding about these rare cases and will ask us to refer the job back to Dish so their hourly paid techs can handle the job..
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Roadwarrior said:
noted. Thank's for the input. It's kind of sad that I have to keep such a close eye on my money. I wish I could just do my job and trust my company to pay me for it. Silly newb.
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Another approach to this problem is to convince the customer that it is in their best interest to let you complete the work order AS IS. It goes something like this:

"Oh, you were expecting four TVs? The work order only calls for two, and thats all the equipment that I have. I tell you what, I'll get you hooked up today with two TVs so that you at least have something. Then call dish within 3 days AFTER I'm done (not before, otherwise they'll cancel this job) and tell them that they screwed up, and you were supposed to get four TVs. They'll send someone out for free to hook up the other two."

It works for satellites too. Tell them that you can hook up everything, but to add 61.5 (for example) later. The important thing is that you CLOSE THAT FRIGGIN WORK ORDER, then get the CUSTOMER to call in and complain that they screwed up the work order. In these cases your work order is your best ally. If you can, let the customer keep a copy of it so they can see you're totally legit.

That way DISH has to pay for it's mistake and NO ONE ELSE.
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Last & Next Movie Watched

Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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Star Wars Despecialized Edition

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View: https://youtu.be/l3EMhIo1fVo?is=0sWWW9fevsF5tfSW


Small Soldiers (1998)
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Just watched Napoleon. Good night.....all of those young men dying for the egos of their leaders. Now we can kill at a distance, back then you saw the man you were killing eye to eye.
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Demolition Man was this afternoon's entertainment.
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The rat burger and the three shells...yep, that was good stuff! :biggrin
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Marvel Television’s VisionQuest


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Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd🤓 since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.

I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.
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I'm expecting the finale to basically bring Vision into play for the Doomsday movie next month.
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annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks
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osu1991 said:
annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks
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I thought they were effectively releasing a longer episode 7 and 8 instead of shorter episodes 7 & 8 this week and 9 & 10 next week. It felt like they were packing more into this episode.

edit: But you're right, the run time of the first three pairs of episodes was 100 minutes on average. Episode 7 clocks in at 65 minutes. 😕
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FYI…there are after credit scenes in the finale
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Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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comfortably_numb
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slow_poke_pete said:

Meanwhile att is getting rid of overseas call centers
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Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
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comfortably_numb said:
Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
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Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?
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Juan said:
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?
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And TMO. If anybody's lagging behind the most, it's ATT.
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The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
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ERSanders said:
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
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I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
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Juan said:
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
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And Steve Jobs stole the mouse and GUI
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ERSanders said:
The short term financial thinking by MBAs is what killed Xerox. Ask me how I know!
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Actually I survived despite them for 31 years and two expait assignments. But the quest for the current quarter's profits doomed long term vision, planning and actions.
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Juan said:
I thought it was when Bill Gates stole DOS
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He bought that for $50,000. What he bought was originally called QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) from Seattle Computer Products which was designed to be similar to CP/M - an OS for the Intel 8080. Seems like a decent investment. ;-)

There have been claims that the original developer of QDOS stole CP/M code and according to legend there is some command that you can type into MS-DOS that makes it print the name of the developer of CP/M, thus proving theft, but no one seems to know what that command actually is. ;-)
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comfortably_numb said:
And TMO. If anybody's lagging behind the most, it's ATT.
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ATT has the best service by far in my area, with Verizon being a distant second. T Mobile service is non-existent in these parts.
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ATT has the best service by far in my area
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I've never been to NC, but I can't think of anyplace in the Midwest or West where AT&T outperforms Verizon or T-Mobile, it seems to me they just don't have as many towers here
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Updated to H715 on a Hopper 3 from H713

After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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Almighty1 said:
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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I have not been updated to 715 yet. I am on a QE "Beta" or Test version that did fix the audio issue. The last communication I had with the team mentioned that the full release of that fix was likely in December.
It would be nice to know if 715 does solve that issue of no audio when Dolby is ON, during 4K HDR events.
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jsmit86 said:
I have not been updated to 715 yet. I am on a QE "Beta" or Test version that did fix the audio issue. The last communication I had with the team mentioned that the full release of that fix was likely in December.
It would be nice to know if 715 does solve that issue of no audio when Dolby is ON, during 4K HDR events.
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Interesting, is QE "Beta" or Test version different than the H708 you had mentioned that they rolled you back to or is that a newer version after that?
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Almighty1 said:
Interesting, is QE "Beta" or Test version different than the H708 you had mentioned that they rolled you back to or is that a newer version after that?
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I think it is, but I am not aware of specific differences.
My original communication of the issue was very detailed, and they had the team work on it and felt they knew what was causing the issue.
The rollback to 708 confirmed that 708 did not have that problem.
I got an email in late October asking if I would be open to checking if a beta version had the problem. I agreed to the test, and it did not have the dolby problem.
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Not sure if it was this update or a previous one, but both my H3's had the bug where I couldn't use FF without screwing up the recording permanently. If I tried 60X for instance it would fast forward for a bit then go to the end of the recording and not let me get back to where I was trying to get no matter what. The temp fix was to use the skip ahead which for whatever reason still worked. Annoying having to skip ahead through 8 minutes or so of commercials on live sports talk recordings. Well it is now fixed, but not sure when that happened because I haven't had the nerve to try FF until this last week when I discovered it had been fixed. Working properly now on both my H3's. However my Dish Anywhere app is still not allowing me to use both H3's as feeds out. Tested this again a few days ago with my son and we both couldn't watch at the same time, even though we were connected to the other H3. If he was using DA and I attempted to use it with the other H3, it would bring up a message stating another user was using DA and do you want to take over. Very frustrating hoping they fix this soon.
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Dish 4K Event Listings (No Discussion)

This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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CFB, Wisconsin at Iowa, Saturday 10-31, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona St at BYU, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Alabama at LSU, Saturday 11-7, 12:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.
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CFB, UCLA at Minnesota, Saturday 11-7, 9AM PST, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Iowa at Northwestern, Saturday 11-7, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Texas at LSU, Saturday 11-14, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.
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CFB, Northwestern at Ohio St, Saturday 11-14, 9AM PST, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Utah at Arizona, Saturday 11-14, 4:30PM PST, Channel 148-01.
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Apple Appears to be Down

Hmmm, Apple iCloud appears to be missing from the Internet. Attempting to connect yields:
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Plus, lots of prompts to enter my iCloud credentials.
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I'm not seeing any issues.
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looks like an incident is clearing up


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The Apple Support System Status page is showing mostly green now, with Resolved status for the outage that started 17:49 and ended around 19:22 (I guess EST)
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Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...
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In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
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reubenray said:
In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
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Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
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Jimbo said:
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
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In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
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Bobby said:
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
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I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
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Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
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My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
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Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
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My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.
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brice52 said:
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
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Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin
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Jimbo said:
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
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I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.
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So, if theres a issue with any buried line, the sidewalk needs to be dug up as well ???
That sucks.
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Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
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Bobby said:
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.

Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
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Ok, your talking in the right of way ...
I thought you were talking about from the ped to the houses.

Fortunately you don't usually get Cable cuts Under a sidewalk, usually its when a Construction crew us digging with major equipment.

The drops to the house are not going to be very deep, sometimes barely under the sod. 6" is a godsend.
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I'm fortunate to have 3 fiber providers now.

Cox and T mobile bored and put conduit in before pulling the fiber thru the easement in my neighborhood . Windstream Kinetic I can't remember if they pulled conduit first or not. I remember they didn't have a boring machine when they came thru my yard, they used that for the mainline crossing under the street but had a vibratory plow in my backyard. I remember seeing some blue conduit just don't remember where it was being used. Windstream barely put the fiber run from the pedestal to my house about 2 inches underground. Landscaper hit it while putting landscaping around the pedestal they added to my yard. I made sure they buried it at least 12 inches when they replaced it.

AEP/ PSO the electric company has their main distribution lines running on poles along the back of my property. Cox has their main distribution line hung on those poles before going underground through the neighborhood.

I'm in the middle of a damage claim and about to take them to court as insurance is trying to get out of it claiming the lines were too low. Had an oversized load get lost and try to turn around in an older neighborhood. Pulled down 5 blocks of fiber with separate fiber lines belonging to the city, Cox/Spectrum and ATT.
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My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.
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No, but it is a coop. I am just a member and subscriber
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Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin
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How things have changed

I was reading this article

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Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
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Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
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Jimbo said:
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
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Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
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Bruce said:
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
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Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
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Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
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But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
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Bobby said:
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
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Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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Bruce said:
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
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Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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TRG said:
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
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Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
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Bruce said:
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
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True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .
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Jimbo said:
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
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Two MLB teams.
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Bruce said:
Two MLB teams.
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Now, having low numbers this past year doesn't surprise me at all, you had 2 teams that don't like to spend tons of money and they are not your Large markets.
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Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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I thought you might like that. :biggrin
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Bruce said:
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
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I guess they should figure that out ... maybe not offer as much if they can't afford it next time.
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Auto Racing 2026

New thread or keep this one?

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/AgOI9DNCmPg?si=l-YcZmHl7GXXF8fX
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
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Congratulations to the youngest Formula 1 World Champion, 20-year old Kimi Antonelli! The podium at the Mexican Grand Prix featured three World Champions with 4-time World Champion Max Verstappen, 7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton, and newly-crowned World Champion Kimi Antonelli. A dozen World Championships represented!
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