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jeremys
Last reply · posted in Old VOOM "In Your Area" Forum Archive

installer wouldn't install

well, my LOS fears have been realized.

When the installer shows up on the street, I was talking to him about voom. He says he is tired of LOS/OTA issues and now he just refuses to install if things aren't perfect. I asked him about the equip troubles and he says he is about to stop intsalling voom alltogether.

So, he goes up to my balcony with a compass. He says there is no way he can do it. I asked about the direction and how *I* have LOS, but he says even if he mounted it on a tripod, it is still too cramped. Then he says, "besides, you can't get any OTA the closest ones are through the building". I said that most of the OTAs have the same direction as the dish. He says yeah, but they are too far away (I think its 20-30 miles).

Anyways, I don't know what he would have done if I had begged and pleaded. I asked hims several times nicely (are you sure you can't get it). So, what's the deal with this? I mean, he wasted a trip and doesn't get paid (or does he?). The guy seemed like he had no interest unless it was on top of a roof in the middle of a huge field.

oh well.. at least timewarnersandiego has INHDs and HDNETs.
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The problem you have is that you don't understand how a ground system works for static electricity as in a lightning strike. It appears that you believe a #10 copper or aluminum wire is meant to carry the full power of a lightning bolt to the ground during a direct hit. You are not alone as many people disrespect the need for grounds because they don't understand and laugh at the #10 wire notion that it is supposed to be able to carry the power of a lightning bolt. What this wire is meant to do is keep the small static charge build up drained off from corona points on the antenna that attract the huge powerful lightning. If the antenna structure is allowed to build up a static charge it will be more likely to atract the powerful bolt of lightning. You install a good ground to keep the charge drained off. I explain it to lay people as it is like a mask that allows your antenna to "hide" from the thunderstorms. IF you haven't done this ground effectively, nothing will keep you safe when that bolt of lightning strikes in a direct hit. You will be toast!
The secondary reason to install a good ground on your antenna structures is to prevent static discharge damage to your electronics. These discharges are mostly silent and have no other symptoms other than the device no longer works. The electronics tech will often surprise the victim with a (somewhat inaccurate statement) claim that you got struck by lightning. You will be surprised because you won't recall any other symptoms. I believe these techs know better but love to dramatize their analysis.
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Don,

Fantastic to have a very intelligent explanation of why to ground.
I never said that grounding was not a good thing to do and yes, I'm fully aware that the reason to ground is to disapate the static from the devise. Wind blowing across the dish surface can cause enough static to be a problem, so I do understand what the #10 wire's purpose is.

My point to PSB is he is painting a DOOM picture of certain destruction if the dish is not grounded. Perhaps that could happen, although I've not been able to verify this as an actual event anywhere.
There are millions of antennas, dishes, what have you, that are either not grounded at all or improperly grounded, and yet the cases that there have been destruction or loss of life is not been publicized.

There are other solutions to protect equipment if a NEC ground source is not available. My opinion was to display that the need to protect all pathways is important as well. The #1 cause of property and injury is the telco connection and that has been ignored completely.

So, in all, grounding is VERY IMPORTANT, just look at the full picture and decide as a consumer what your level of protection should be.
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waited like 15 min on hold @ installs inc and then left a message with my cell number. no call yet.

I'll just put this on hold for a couple months and wait until I can call installs/voom and a human answers. By then, I will own an HDTV and will have been watching INHD & HDNET for a month and will be craving more 720/1080 media. I wonder if they will still let me rent equip by then.

jeremy
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I ground to local and NEC code because I sign my name on the workorder that I have done so, a few months ago I was asked up to the state board of electricity to help with the research they are doing on the new NEC code for satellite, we talked about apartment installs and they told me in no uncertain terms that a surge protector does not make an installation to code, and confirmed that an apartment install should not be done unless it is to code period, this was from the person who is in charge of NEC code interpretation in this state. Thats my reason for grounding to local and NEC code. As for fires caused, of course it can happen if the dish comes into contact with anything electrical! If it falls onto power lines.....and just because it has never happened does not mean we should forget the law? Now whats your excuse for not grounding to code....................................
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I have to agree with PSB on this issue. I had an apartment install today and thankfully the apartment was on the end by the utility ground. I hate to turn down apt installs, but have due to no ground point.

I have had issues where landlords / managers say NO DRILLING!, but were OK with me using "C" clamps on the balcony rail to secure the mast foot ( 2 work great ).

again, apartments are easy installs, but Grounding them to code makes it hard to do. PSB is right HACK installers will do them in a min., but customer will pay for it in long run.

GOOD POST and link PSB I printed that to carry with me in the field.
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installs is going to send another installer out. The bad news is, the will charge me $45 if they can't get LOS.

For my $45, I hope he puts some effort into it and actually tries to get a signal.
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Perseverance Mars Rover Sets New Interplanetary Driving Record

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Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?

Whats for breakfast?

Who says dinner or lunch has to be the only good meals of the day?

Honey butter grits with scrambled eggs and grilled boneless pork ribs on flakey biscuits washed down with cranberry juice.
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Bacon, eggs, hash browns and toast. Coffee.
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Wound up at the Waffle House this morning. Got the two egg breakfast with coffee.

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Speaking of waffles, I'm going to put my mini waffle iron on stove so I'll remember to make waffles in the morning... Had some last week, been awhile.
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Dos cackleberrys over easy on top of 2 corned beef hash patties fried in skillet... Chocolate milk.
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Cold morning today, only 32 degrees. Fired up the oven and made cinnamon rolls (from a tube) and a pot of coffee.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Five O'Clock World - The Vogues
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It's Five O'Clock Somewhere - Alan Jackson
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meStevo
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Volcanic Eruptions

Continuing the Kilauea thread in the Pub here. Perhaps the Iceland one too next time there's remarkable activity.

Currently there is precursory lava flowing into the crater, leading to the next episode that'll probably start within the next day.

You can see the pace of inflation / deflation here. It serves as the primary predictor for when the expect the eruptions, which coincide w/ inflation turning into significant deflation and last for several hours on average with significant fountaining.

www.usgs.gov

Monitoring Data for Kīlauea

For more information on how electronic tiltmeters and GPS receivers help monitor the deformation of Kīlauea volcano, see the HVO Deformation page.
www.usgs.gov www.usgs.gov


View: https://youtu.be/Uecu2seh4b4


Wife and I like the AfarTV feeds, for the discussion along w/ them, though they're otherwise just mirrors of the official USGS feeds.


View: https://youtu.be/iws3rh5vLAQ
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Oooo, quite the show now. All three vents have doming and overflows. The cone that built up around the North vent lost its upper quarter at 02:50 Oct 17 and is now spewing lava at a healthy rate. Don't know if I would say it's a fountain, but it's close.


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edit: The USGS has called the official start of Episode 55 as starting at 03:19 HST Oct 17, 2026:
Alert Level: WATCH, Color Code: ORANGE 2026-10-17 13:43:56 UTC
HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice

Volcano: Kilauea (VNUM #332010)

Current Volcano Alert Level: WATCH
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE

Issued: Saturday, October 17, 2026, 3:43 AM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Notice Number: 2026/H488
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawaii

Summary: Episode 55 of the ongoing Halemaʻumaʻu eruption began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Volcanic Activity:
Episode 55 of lava fountaining in Halemaʻumaʻu began at the summit of Kīlauea began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Fountain heights are relatively low at about 100-150 feet (30-45 m), and it is not clear whether this episode will evolve to the same heights as previous episodes. Continuous overflows from the vents began yesterday, October 16, just before 6 a.m. HST and transitioned into episode 55 fountains at 3:19 a.m. HST this morning. The current forecast is for winds are blowing from the north-northeast direction, which suggests that volcanic gas emissions and volcanic material may be distributed to the south-southwest direction from Halemaʻumaʻu.
  • All eruptive vents and lava flows are confined to Halemaʻumaʻu crater within Hawaiʻi Volcanoes National Park. Tephra fall from volcanic ash clouds is greatest within 3 miles (5 km) of the vents, lighter ash and Pele's Hair may stay suspended for large distances from the vents.
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Kīlauea seems to be returning to the "normal" eruption script, impressive fountaining from the North Vent. For once, the V2 Cam has the best overall shot:
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The lava flows have covered a good portion of the Halemaʻumaʻu crater floor.
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Last & Next Movie Watched

Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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Come September (1961)
Rock Hudson and Gina Lollobrigida with Sandra Dee and Bobby Darin
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Simple, charming. Entire premise is quite silly but Cary Grant carries it across the line in good fashion.
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Since it was already "paid" for, I spent the two hours of my time watching the John Cena action movie on Apple TV, "Matchbox The Movie" even though the reviews were brutal. It was better than I expected, so I didn't feel like I had wasted an afternoon watching it. But it felt like another "Reacher"/"Neghley"/"Mission: Impossible"/"Fast & Furious" crash and blow stuff up with lots of automatic gunfire mixed in movie featuring covert CIA operatives.

I don't think we'll get a follow-up movie from this. I expect Mattel will have other toy lines to exploit.
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Military grade antenna for your off-grid setup #hamradio #satcom #offgrid

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Homemade Breakfast Sausage

Anyone making their own breakfast sausage? I've recently been trying different recipes, found some I like, some I've modified...
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Bob Evans Sage.
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navychop said:
Bob Evans Sage.
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I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
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Swaggerty's isn't too bad, sausage prices are lower per lb than making my own from pork butts right now so I've been buying JC Potter or Owen lately.
(Swaggerty's at Sam's is pre cut, I usually partially freeze the rolls and cut with my slicer and vacuum seal on parchment paper)
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reubenray said:
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
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amazon maybe :what
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reubenray said:
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
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owens on amazon is 54.99 for a 4 pk 16 oz a sausage. i feel that's kind of steep!!!
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dfergie said:
Swaggerty's isn't too bad, sausage prices are lower per lb than making my own from pork butts right now so I've been buying JC Potter or Owen lately.
(Swaggerty's at Sam's is pre cut, I usually partially freeze the rolls and cut with my slicer and vacuum seal on parchment paper)
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id'e rather make my own vs store bought.
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slow_poke_pete said:
owens on amazon is 54.99 for a 4 pk 16 oz a sausage. i feel that's kind of steep!!!
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Especially when I can get a two pound roll of Jimmy Dean from Sam's Club for $7.38.
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They run Owens at $3.99 for lb and $7.99 a couple times a month at some grocery stores here, I actually was wrong, just checked a pork sirloin roast it was $1.99 a lb. (cooked it yesterday so pack was in trash)
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AI Model Poisoned: Uncovering Hidden Dangers #shorts

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Club TWiT: Mikah's Crafting Corner #25 - Ray Gun Papercraft Part 6

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TheRatPatrol
TheRatPatrol
Last reply · posted in TV Shows

NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Jimbo said:
Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Tony as the director.🙄
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Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.🙄
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Jimbo said:
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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Jimbo
Howard Simmons said:
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.
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KAB said:
I wonder it they will show the teased meeting (in Origins) with Tony and Gibbs.
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I'm curious how they are going to implement Tony into Origins (If they do) ...
Tony was introduced to Gibbs and the team, on NCIS, which makes it the Mothership side of things, he worked in Baltimore prior to NCIS, NO mention when they met that anyone had known one another ...
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