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These were kindly provided by Ed. I will be posting his email to me separately (with his permission)

-------SUBSCRIBER PROVISIONS -------------

1.) The lifelong subscriber named on the face of this confimation notice qualifies as a lifelong subscriber to the Dominion Sky Angel basic package of television and radio channels provided that the prescribed lump-sum lifelong one-time subscription has either been paid in full, or will have been paid in full within no more than 12 months from the date Dominion received the subscriber's initial lifelong subscription installment payment. Failure to fully pay the lifelong subscription in full within the prescribed 12-month time period will render the lifelong subscription null and void and subscriber will be required to pay the subscription amount in effect at that time,

2.) The Dominion DBS Television & Radio System is comprised of two entities: (1) Dominion Video Satellite, Inc. ("DVS"), a Florida commercial corporation, and Dominion Foundation, Inc. ("DFI") a Florida, federally chartered 501(c)3 not-for profit corporation, The primary purpose of the Dominion DBS Television and Radio System is to provide Christian religious, educational, children's and family programming via direct broadcast satellite ("DBS") channels licensed to and operated by Dominion Video Satellite, Inc. DVS is primarily involved in holding the DBS FCC license and is engaged in contracting for DBS satellites and launch services, including operation of a Network Control Center which provides technical services needed to transmit programming, DFI leases television and radio channels from DVS in order to provide multiple channels of television and radio programming under the name Sky Angel.

3.) In order to expedite the availability of its DBS service, DVS leased surplus DBS transponders on EchoStar III, a DBS satellite Q1;ned by EchoStar Communications Corporation, another DBS licensee, Transponders are the equipment on-board the DBS satellite that exclJ.lsively receive and retransmit the Sky Angel DBS television and radio channels using DVS' FCC-licensed DBS frequencies, No one other than Dominion can use these frequencies and transponders without the pennission of DVS, EchoStar III was successfully launched in October 1997 with all eight of DVS' FCC-licensed DBS frequencies installed thereon, EchoStar III has a projected operating-lifetime of 12 to 14 years, There are backup transponders on the EchoStar III DBS satellite in order to provide replacements in the event of transponder failure, In addition, DVS has contracted to construct a backup DBS satellite for launch in approximately the year 2002 to provide additional backup in the unlikely event of a total EchoStar III DBS satellite failure, Once the EchoStar III DBS satellite ends its useful life, DVS plans to move all of its licensed DBS frequencies to a DVS owned/controlled DBS satellite,

4.) The primary source of funding for the Dominion DBS Television and Radio System is expected to come from individual subscribers paying either an ongoing monthly subscription fee or by prepaying a lump-sum subscription for a period of years, During the first 30 months of operation DVS offered lifelong subscriptions for a one-time payment which is being discontinued for any new subscribers, For those who purchased the lifelong subscription it will last for the operating lifetime of the Dominion Sky Angel domestic U,S, DBS service and for the lifetime of the subscriber and his or her spouse without any further monthly subscription fees and includes a minimum of 32 television and radio channels selected at Dominion's sole discretion, Once a lifelong subscription is activated to receive Sky Angel programming it is non-assignable and non-transferable,



5.) As is the case for all FCC-licensed television and radio stations, the Federal Communications Commission requires that a DBS satellite licensee also meet certain licensing and operating standards, Failure or inability to continue to maintain such standards could result in the loss of the DBS license,

6.) DBS television and radio services in the United States can be received on two different proprietary home receiving systems available under the brand names "DSS" and DISHTM," Dominion Sky Angel has chosen to use the DISH'M- brand DBS receiving system for its customers, The DISH'M brand is owned by the EchoStar Communications Corporation, The "DSS" system which is owned by DIRECTV will not receive Sky Angel channels, In order to receive the Sky Angel channels, subscribers will need to purchase and install the DISH'M-brand 18-inch receiving antenna and receiver box available directly from the DISHTM Network by calling 1-800-333-DISH or for sale over-the-counter at Sears stores, Sam's Clubs, local DISHTM satellite dealers listed in the Yellow Pages and an ever expanding list of other retailers, All pricing, warranties and service for the DISHTM-brand home receiving system package shall be governed by the terms and conditions outlined by the equipment manufacturer, EchoStar Communications Corporation,

7.) Specific channels and programs on the Dominion Sky Angel DBS Television and Radio System are subject to change without notice, and Dominion reserves the right to replace entire channels or programs in its sole discretion, Most existing full channel programmers have long-term contracts for carriage on Sky Angel subject to maintaining certain program content and other contractual requirements, Each full-channel and individual programmer is required to sign Dominion's "Statement of Faith" which is printed in Dominion's promotional brochure,

8.) Dominion is licensed by the Federal Communications Commission to operate its DBS television and radio channels from the 61.50 west longitude DBS satellite orbital position, 22,300 miles in space over the equator, The entire package of multiple Sky Angel television and radio channels can only be received by installing a DISHTM-brand receiving system, and by pointing the 18-inch receiving antenna to the 61.50 W,L. satellite orbital location, Optional DISH'M Network channel packages at various prices are also available by purchasing and installing a second 18-inch receiving antenna pointed to the 1190 W,L. DBS satellite orbital location, Channels being received from two small antennas are electronically combined into a single cable going to a television set so that all Sky Angel channels and optional DISH'M Network channels are seamlessly integrated for reception by one receiver box and one on-screen TV guide for easy selection and viewing using one hand-held remote control. In addition to the program charges, there may be an additional monthly charge from the DISH'M Network for each additional receiver box installed for viewing on two or more TV sets,

9.) These provisions supersede any and all prior brochure offers and written material from Dominion Sky Angel as of April 15, 1999,

10.) This certificate covers multiple Sky Angel lifelong subscriptions that may have been purchased by the subscriber named on the face of this certificate.
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letter to SA and BBB

As a Christian satellite service provider Sky Angel should be sensitive to honoring its commitment. Customer Service did not choose to respond to my emails even though addressed to the CEO. I mailed the attached letter to the BBB and emailed it to Sky Angel, no response yet but it hasn't had much time.

by His love, Ed T


Todd Eikenberry
Mediation/Arbitration Specialist
Better Business Bureau, West Florida
P.O. Box 7950
Clearwater, FL 33758-7950

Exhibit A: Lifelong Subscriber Provisions
Exhibit B: Sky Angel Letter dated June 7, 2006
Exhibit C: Sky Angel Letter dated March 25, 2007

Dear Mr. Eikenberry:

I would appreciate your help in resolving a problem I have experienced with Sky Angel. I have sent emails to Sky Angel customer service but Sky Angel is apparently ignoring my claim. In a copy of the agreement for customers who are billed for services Sky Angel indicates that it will attempt to resolve claims informally and that those customers may not file a formal claim for a period of sixty days after Sky Angel is notified. No address was provided for filing a claim with American Arbitration Association. Since Sky Angel is ignoring my emails I need to establish a date for my informal attempt to resolve my claim. Of course it is my hope that the matter can be resolved informally rather than going to arbitration.

In 1997 I responded to a Charisma Magazine advertisement for a lifelong subscription to Sky Angel Satellite programming. In 1999 I received my copy of Subscriber Provisions ( Exhibit A). Note section 3) which states that DVS has contracted for a backup satellite with a projected launch date in 2002. I have heard no more about that launch. Note in section 4) where it says,
"For those who purchased the lifelong subscription it will last for the operating lifetime of the Dominion Sky Angel domestic U.S. DBS service and for the lifetime of the subscriber and his or her spouse without any further subscription fees and includes a minimum of 32 television and radio channels selected at Dominion's sole discretion."

Exhibit B addresses a channel outage problem experienced April 14, 2006 and the resolution thereof. Note carefully what is said in paragraph 2 ,
". . . Regrettably, three channels were not reinstated, and this technical failure evolved into contractual issues with EchoStar that, due to confidentiality restrictions in our agreement, we cannot publicly discuss. Unfortunately, despite our best efforts, we were unable to negotiate through the issues and are now prohibited from reinstating the channels that carried Three Angels Broadcasting, Golden Eagle Broadcasting and SPIRIT. Now that there is finality concerning our negotiations with EchoStar and it is certain that we will not be able to provide these three channels at this time, I wanted you to understand the reason.

I deeply regret the inconvenience that this interruption in programming may have caused you. As many of you know, we've faced a number of challenges with our relationship with EchoStar over the past few years; the Lord has guided us to positive outcomes in these cases (Romans 8:28) and we will continue to trust in Him for guidance and strength (Proverbs 3:5,6).
Presently we are exploring an option that might enable us to add one or two channels sometime in the future. . ."

Since I am not privy to the confidential agreements reached with EchoStar I can only guess that Sky Angel's carrying of secular channels was an outcome of that agreement. I have no real problem with that as long as Sky Angel realizes that the channels in question are a part of that minimum of 32 channels addressed in Exhibit A. The founder's use of the word minimum was to imply that more channels were coming as a part of our agreement, not less.

My main concern is that the current CEO seemingly unawares of the details of Exhibit A has chosen to imply something less in Exhibit C. Note how he casually implies this with this statement,
". . . As you know, your lifelong subscription covers reception of our basic programming package of faith-based programming. In the past we have elected to make available to you at no additional charge, the four special secular channels (Hallmark, Hallmark Movie Channel, HGTV, and Fox News. Recent developments at Dominion Video Satellite, Inc. ("Sky Angel") has made it necessary to require those who wish to continue receiving these four channels to remit a small monthly service fee of just $4.99 per month . . . Of corse there is no obligation for you to receive these four channels and your lifelong subscription to our faith-based programming package will not be affected if you decide that you no longer wish to receive these four special secular channels."

This would establish a dangerous precedent if left un-addressed as Sky Angel could erode away the faith-based package replacing channels with secular channels requiring a service fee. The founder contemplated no such move or he would not have stated in Exhibit A section 7) that,
". . . That each full-channel and individual programmer is required to sign Dominion's "Statement of Faith" . . ."
The rationale for the choice of the four channels was explained (I think by Nancy Christopher) in the Sky Angel Guide, without the slightest hint that any attempt to charge a service fee was on the horizon. While I did not retain that issue of the magazine it should be on file at Sky Angel and as I recall the channels were described as being "family-friendly". In fact current advertising addresses "over thirty channels of family-friendly entertainment" with no mention of secular and no apparent provision to separate the package.
In conclusion I am quite surprised that the new management at Sky Angel would hold a long standing agreement in disregard. I want nothing more than the assurance that my Subscriber Provisions do indeed prevail and that while channel content is indeed at Sky Angel's sole discretion there is no accompanying provision to seek a service fee. I have indicated that I do want to continue to receive the four channels in question and plan to pay for them while this dispute is being settled.
osu1991
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
dishstaller
Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Not alot of dish customers any more
Foxbat
I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
dishstaller
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Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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dishstaller
BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
meStevo
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If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!




Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.
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I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
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Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.
TRG
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"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
That's what I will be watching this weekend.🤗
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Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.
dishstaller
.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.
I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.
meStevo
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
meStevo
Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


View: https://x.com/RapSheet/status/2111074303185989663?s=20
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dishstaller
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I had quit watching this show years ago because I ended up more annoyed than entertained. Well......I'm STILL more annoyed than entertained. I DO find it interesting to see how things work behind the scenes at many businesses. What annoys me is how utterly out of touch CEOs are with the companies they run. At the end of almost every episode the head of the company is amazed at how hard the employees have to work and many times have to work around impossible guidelines set forth from headquarters.

I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIhZm0qkz0o
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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White Wedding - Billy Idol
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White Christmas - Elvis Presley
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Dirty White Boy - Foreigner
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Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley
dishstaller
Dirty Diana - Michael Jackson
Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
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Class action.
a hopper 3 with 6 firesticks and or if you wanna spend even more money apple tv's
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
dishstaller
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
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Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Scott Greczkowski
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
Foxbat
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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zipping right along here
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
OMG to freaking funny :biggrin
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

Not likely since that place closed down.