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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV General Forum
My wife absolutely refuses to have the new dish mounted on the roof. She says to mount it on a pole, or to the fence in the back yard.

I should be able to get line of sight, because my next door neighbor has a single LNB mounted to his fence.

It is a standard wood fence, and after thinking about it, it seems like the fence mount would be the easiest way to go.

Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. :)
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JAG72
I have to somewhat disagree with you. If D* tells you it is free and then the installer charges I would not be happy. If it is non-standard and they want to charge me then I would force D* to eat the cost.

I would have to say that $20 is a very reasonable price for the installation of the pole.
JAG72
I don't think that the HSP should be punished for this either but D* should. If this is what the CSR promised, D* should pay the HSP direct for the custom installation. I just don't think that the customer should be impacted by these poor decisions.
H
I have to somewhat disagree with you. If D* tells you it is free and then the installer charges I would not be happy. If it is non-standard and they want to charge me then I would force D* to eat the cost.

I would have to say that $20 is a very reasonable price for the installation of the pole.
See Directv never told my brother,or my friend that the pole mounts were free.They were told right up front, a custom install would be at least $100.Well they didn't lie because my brother's pole mount was $185,and my friends was $200.all because they had to bury the wires also.What did they do with your wires,lay them on the ground,or did that include burying the wires?
iwc5893
See Directv never told my brother,or my friend that the pole mounts were free.They were told right up front, a custom install would be at least $100.Well they didn't lie because my brother's pole mount was $185,and my friends was $200.all because they had to bury the wires also.What did they do with your wires,lay them on the ground,or did that include burying the wires?

Burial is considered custom labor, at a rate of $75.00/hour. The $20 is strictly for the pole & concrete. Most customers prefer to bury the cable themselves when they hear what the labor rate is for us to do it.
dishcomm
I don't think that the HSP should be punished for this either but D* should. If this is what the CSR promised, D* should pay the HSP direct for the custom installation. I just don't think that the customer should be impacted by these poor decisions.
The CSR has no right to say that in the first place...Why should the man doing the work have his income negatively impacted by the words of a person unauthorized to make that decision?...
Look, I'm going to write something here that may anger you..But dammit, we are in this business to make money just like anyone else is in theirs...If you or anyone else does not think the technician that comes to your home, works hard to do a good job, yet is not worthy of additinal compensation for non-standard work then please by all means don't call us to your home..There is no magic pot of money hidden somewhere that a company can grab a handful of cash from because someone is too cheap to pay up...The money has to come form somewhere....Since the satellite company is not going to pay for non standard work, the only other source is the customer..You know. The one actually having the sevice performed for them?...
Where this notion that we should perform extra work for free came from is one of the mysteries of our time...
JAG72
The CSR has no right to say that in the first place...Why should the man doing the work have his income negatively impacted by the words of a person unauthorized to make that decision?...
Look, I'm going to write something here that may anger you..But dammit, we are in this business to make money just like anyone else is in theirs...If you or anyone else does not think the technician that comes to your home, works hard to do a good job, yet is not worthy of additinal compensation for non-standard work then please by all means don't call us to your home..There is no magic pot of money hidden somewhere that a company can grab a handful of cash from because someone is too cheap to pay up...The money has to come form somewhere....Since the satellite company is not going to pay for non standard work, the only other source is the customer..You know. The one actually having the sevice performed for them?...
Where this notion that we should perform extra work for free came from is one of the mysteries of our time...

You didn't anger me in any way. Like I said in the post you quoted me on I also don't think that the tech should not have do any of this without payment of some sort. I would be OK if D* gave progamming discounts to cover their promises as well.

This satellite installation business is a trade just like a carpenter, electrician or plumber...If an electrician come to your house to install a ceiling fan and he discovers there is extra wiring to be done, by God he is going to charge you for the extra labor and materials and you will pay or he takes a walk.......Why is tv treated differently?...

The trades you mention are not quite the same. Do I call Hunter to schedule time for a electrician to come and install my fan? NO I don't. I call the electrician on my own if it is more than I can handle. Can I order D* and get them to ship the equipment to me for my own installation? No, they now force you to use an installer for their equipment.
C
Burial is considered custom labor, at a rate of $75.00/hour. The $20 is strictly for the pole & concrete. Most customers prefer to bury the cable themselves when they hear what the labor rate is for us to do it.


Burying the cable is part of the pole mount. If I come behind you and find wires on the ground, it will get photographed and go on my report, I do not give a sh*t what kind of deal you or the customer "worked out." Most customers never bury the cable. If you've been installing very long, you should know this. Plus, it kind of hacks me off when the customer bitches at me about having to pay $150 for a pole mount and then the wires are not burried. :rolleyes:

Do your damned job right.

OTOH, if it wasn't for hacks, there'd be no need for me.
dishcomm
You didn't anger me in any way. Like I said in the post you quoted me on I also don't think that the tech should not have do any of this without payment of some sort. I would be OK if D* gave progamming discounts to cover their promises as well.



The trades you mention are not quite the same. Do I call Hunter to schedule time for a electrician to come and install my fan? NO I don't. I call the electrician on my own if it is more than I can handle. Can I order D* and get them to ship the equipment to me for my own installation? No, they now force you to use an installer for their equipment.

On the ceiling fan /trades issue....You are correct..But why should we as technicians be punished for a system that we had nothing to do with setting up?..The work still has to be done and someone has got to pay..BTW you CAN indeed buy your own EQ and install it. Look on here at the plethora of EQ companies that will be more than happy to sell you the EQ and you can self install.
There are always alternatives to the staus quo.
The bottom line is you asked us to come to your home to work. We did not ask you (collectively)..The work must be done. We are being forced to work at set rates if we want the work at all. But the satellite companies do draw the line so that there is free standard work and chargeable non standard work..The underlying issue here whether an $8 an hour clerk had the right to tell you the tech was going to work pro bono. That clerk was way out of bounds. That said, you nor anyone else would even bother to discuss this issue had that clerk not overstepped their authority.
As time passes many good people are leaving the contract end of this business and settng up shop on their own. When they do that, they can rightfully charge what the market will bear. I am workiong toward that goal myself. Left behind will be inexperinced ,uncaring, sloppy, schulbs who don't give sh*t about your home or their job..If you think I am being dramatic, ask around..Find out what type of people the satellite companies themsleves are hiring. The pay rates are so low, you have to scratch your head trying to figure out how they get these guys in the door..It's easy, they hire people as long as they have a pulse..
There are some very good company techs oput there and I in no intend to impune their work or character. But you can ask them, they too will tell you the above is not far from the truth..At the end of the day, you get what you pay for..If you want a discounted or free of charge job, that will be the quality of the work.
iwc5893
Burying the cable is part of the pole mount. If I come behind you and find wires on the ground, it will get photographed and go on my report, I do not give a sh*t what kind of deal you or the customer "worked out." Most customers never bury the cable. If you've been installing very long, you should know this. Plus, it kind of hacks me off when the customer bitches at me about having to pay $150 for a pole mount and then the wires are not burried. :rolleyes:

Do your damned job right.

OTOH, if it wasn't for hacks, there'd be no need for me.

I do my job right, according to my company's policies. We don't all work for you, so get over it.
JAG72
On the ceiling fan /trades issue....You are correct..But why should we as technicians be punished for a system that we had nothing to do with setting up?..The work still has to be done and someone has got to pay..BTW you CAN indeed buy your own EQ and install it. Look on here at the plethora of EQ companies that will be more than happy to sell you the EQ and you can self install.
There are always alternatives to the staus quo.
The bottom line is you asked us to come to your home to work. We did not ask you (collectively)..The work must be done. We are being forced to work at set rates if we want the work at all. But the satellite companies do draw the line so that there is free standard work and chargeable non standard work..The underlying issue here whether an $8 an hour clerk had the right to tell you the tech was going to work pro bono. That clerk was way out of bounds. That said, you nor anyone else would even bother to discuss this issue had that clerk not overstepped their authority.
As time passes many good people are leaving the contract end of this business and settng up shop on their own. When they do that, they can rightfully charge what the market will bear. I am workiong toward that goal myself. Left behind will be inexperinced ,uncaring, sloppy, schulbs who don't give sh*t about your home or their job..If you think I am being dramatic, ask around..Find out what type of people the satellite companies themsleves are hiring. The pay rates are so low, you have to scratch your head trying to figure out how they get these guys in the door..It's easy, they hire people as long as they have a pulse..
There are some very good company techs oput there and I in no intend to impune their work or character. But you can ask them, they too will tell you the above is not far from the truth..At the end of the day, you get what you pay for..If you want a discounted or free of charge job, that will be the quality of the work.


Did you even read most of my other post. I said that I agree that the Tech should not be the one to take the hit on the cost of the installation. You keep going on and on to me about something that I agree with. My comment was that D* should pick up the cost not the installation company.
dishcomm
Burying the cable is part of the pole mount. If I come behind you and find wires on the ground, it will get photographed and go on my report, I do not give a sh*t what kind of deal you or the customer "worked out." Most customers never bury the cable. If you've been installing very long, you should know this. Plus, it kind of hacks me off when the customer bitches at me about having to pay $150 for a pole mount and then the wires are not burried. :rolleyes:

Do your damned job right.

OTOH, if it wasn't for hacks, there'd be no need for me.
Om occasion the customer will request that they allowed to bury the cables. Many time this is to avoid charges for excess(Over 50ft) which if we bury DNS considers this to be a legitimate charge. To protect ourselves from the customer reneging on their end of the bargain and the terms THEY set, we document the conversation and have the customer sign off in their full name. To date we have never had an issue with a customer that"changed their mind or just didn't feel like doing the work..
I bury everything I can even if the customer says ythey will do it because it's as you say, pert of the job..But long trenches thru difficult soil conditions, through wooded areas or across gravel, asphalt or concrete drives are the customer's responsibilty. Unles they want to rent a boring machine or a backhoe for a hardpacked gravel drive..
I would say 95% of all installs are buried successfully. I realize there are lazy assed installers out there who make up some cock and bull story that they aren't supposed to bury cable or they try to charge for every foot of a burial.
What is your status? Are you a tech, retailer, DNS FSM, What?
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share
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Juan
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price
dishstaller
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
b4pjoe
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
harshness
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
Bone-in is a well-known and often prized attribute. Adding the tray and the film isn't right.
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Juan
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
You are paying for the whole thing
T
You are paying for the whole thing
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
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Former member 209992
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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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navychop
Nature will develop better idiots.
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TRG
Nature will develop better idiots.
God help us.
Scott Greczkowski
I guess this is what the downtime was about.

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Scott Greczkowski
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
Foxbat
I saw that, wasn't sure if PHP was employed by XenForo or not.
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Scott Greczkowski
Yup thats what xenforo is written in, php.

But all patched now. :)
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SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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HipKat
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
T
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
Nominal
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.
dishdude
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
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MikeD-C05
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
I had both the 921 and the 922. I used to buy them from DishDepot.com in Florida and trade in my older owned receiver towards the newest receiver. The 921 was a reboot receiver and the sling part was hit or miss. I look back on all those receivers I paid for over 25 years and I think it was just TV. If I had that money back now I would be lot richer. My Owned Hopper 3 is sitting in a drawer in my office not being used.
T
That was part of the Ergen scheme, to sell the product as well as the service. And who didn't want the best box?

Maybe they went to the hopper because they were running out of 3-digit model #s- 1022 would have been kinda clunky. Folks would have tried to say "one-thousand and twenty two" instead of "ten-twenty-two".

Like some say "two thousand and twenty six".
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Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Where's My Thing? - Rush
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I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing - Aerosmith
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Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard
dishstaller
Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
RaiderPower
Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors
R
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
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Bruce
Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
USA and SyFy content is on Peacock, you can the rest of those channels via Philo, only $25 a month.

dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.
Bobby
Regular$5.839​
Premium$6.299​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?
Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.
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Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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K
WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
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HD​
264​
2​
1449​
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SD mpeg4​
145​
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194​
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SD mpeg2​
433​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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1​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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RB​
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Engr Work​
38​
-2​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.
Marques Brownlee
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