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Wall Street Mocks DirectTV's HD claims

As if we didn't know.

Wall Street analyst mock DirecTV's HD claims - Engadget HD
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Brewer4
Brewer4
I am going to break this down in my typical business analytical way.

Lets say the breakdown of HD channels is this.

50 accessible to you nationally and fulltime 24 hours/7 days a week.
20 are regional sports and you only get one.
15 are Sunday Ticket or some other Sports subscription
15 are something else, fluff or PPV

So the impact to me is potentially this much HD a week.

True National: 50 x 24 x 7 = 8,400 hours x 50% watchable or not dupes or just plain crap = 4,200 hours

Regional Sports: Lets just be fair and say 5 games a week or 20 hours at 4 hours per game

Sunday Ticket: 13 games x 3 hours = 39 hours

Other: 15 x 24 x 7 = 2,520 x 10% applicable(?) = 252 hours

So this launch gives me the option to watch 4,511 hours of HD. Lets say I watch 4 hours per day or 28 hours per week. Lets say 14 are already served in HD today (Sunday Ticket, HBO, Local Networks, ESPN, NESN, HDNet, etc.). So I could adjust my watching for the 14 hours unserved or would supplement with newer available HD. Thats potentially 4,511 hours to fill 14 hours or 322 hours of choice to fill 1 hour.

I like my odds that whatever the number, I only have to find choice to adjust or fill 14 hours per week. So the number could be off by 20 fulltime, but I am pretty happy with my odds that the new channels they are announcing is going to have enough content to make my unfulfilled 14 hours per week satisfying. Whether its 322 hours to 1 hour or just 100 to 1, its a great time to be an HD Directv subscriber.
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Brewer4 said:
I am going to break this down in my typical business analytical way.

Lets say the breakdown of HD channels is this.

50 accessible to you nationally and fulltime 24 hours/7 days a week.
20 are regional sports and you only get one.
15 are Sunday Ticket or some other Sports subscription
15 are something else, fluff or PPV

So the impact to me is potentially this much HD a week.

True National: 50 x 24 x 7 = 8,400 hours x 50% watchable or not dupes or just plain crap = 4,200 hours

Regional Sports: Lets just be fair and say 5 games a week or 20 hours at 4 hours per game

Sunday Ticket: 13 games x 3 hours = 39 hours

Other: 15 x 24 x 7 = 2,520 x 10% applicable(?) = 252 hours

So this launch gives me the option to watch 4,511 hours of HD. Lets say I watch 4 hours per day or 28 hours per week. Lets say 14 are already served in HD today (Sunday Ticket, HBO, Local Networks, ESPN, NESN, HDNet, etc.). So I could adjust my watching for the 14 hours unserved or would supplement with newer available HD. Thats potentially 4,511 hours to fill 14 hours or 322 hours of choice to fill 1 hour.

I like my odds that whatever the number, I only have to find choice to adjust or fill 14 hours per week. So the number could be off by 20 fulltime, but I am pretty happy with my odds that the new channels they are announcing is going to have enough content to make my unfulfilled 14 hours per week satisfying. Whether its 322 hours to 1 hour or just 100 to 1, its a great time to be an HD Directv subscriber.
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Ah brewer - I sub to the Sports Pack - I will get all of the RSNs as they will be true CONUS and NATIONALLY OFFERED if you desire the tier. No different than ANY channel - as they are not all available on ALL tiers either. NOT every subscriber will get all HD channels, only the ones that you have in YOUR OWN SPECIFIC package - same as currently with SD channels.
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ScoBuck said:
Ah brewer - I sub to the Sports Pack - I will get all of the RSNs as they will be true CONUS and NATIONALLY OFFERED if you desire the tier. No different than ANY channel - as they are not all available on ALL tiers either. NOT every subscriber will get all HD channels, only the ones that you have in YOUR OWN SPECIFIC package - same as currently with SD channels.
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I did this analysis specific to me. It was only an example of the ludicrous concept that 40 is different than 70 than 100. If at least 30 or 40 are good applicable HD options, then what does it matter? I just wanted to quantify the fact that 100 or so loosely described is a BOAT load of HD options to anyone. How many folks watch more than 20 SD channels right now?
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Satire is lost on some people. :)
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Brewer4 said:
I did this analysis specific to me. It was only an example of the ludicrous concept that 40 is different than 70 than 100. If at least 30 or 40 are good applicable HD options, then what does it matter? I just wanted to quantify the fact that 100 or so loosely described is a BOAT load of HD options to anyone. How many folks watch more than 20 SD channels right now?
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The problem that they are pointing out is not that D would have 150 channels- oh excuse me, thats up to 150 channels in HD but that D is not giving out much if at all any real information as to what the channel line up will be. If you watch the celebrity clad commercials and the serious Aussie actor public service anouncement of listen or else commercial the wording is such that the viewer is led to believe that he will have at his hands 150 choices to choose from for his or her HD viewing, this is where the speculation is coming in at and D's campaign could very well back fire on them if they arent careful.
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TulsaCoker
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You sounded like the same people when D* announched 100 HD national channels back CE "there's not a hundered channels to add". Look at the latest list of channels to be carried in september. Some act like kids, channels are being announced all the time (look at HBO this week).
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TulsaCoker said:
You sounded like the same people when D* announched 100 HD national channels back CE "there's not a hundered channels to add". Look at the latest list of channels to be carried in september. Some act like kids, channels are being announced all the time (look at HBO this week).
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Yup, there were so many of those posts. All laughing out loud about how there were'nt even that many in existance and how so and so doesn't even have plans to go HD. Not hearing much of that anymore.
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Brewer4
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Its one of those things that some networks better start taking seriously. Parking spaces are filling fast. Bandwidth is always an issue, but even that is not as serious as contracts and filled stations. You can only add so many channels to core packages without the profit margins getting erroded. For those stations that have not moved to multiple channels this year, DUMB move. Right Mark Cuban?
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View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UDlp0EG-9cg


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ppappas
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Newest NCIS recording doesn't allow auto skip

On Tuesday, I recorded the first episodes of the new season's NCIS shows on CBS (Dish provided, not OTA). The new New York series and Origins will both do Auto Skip, but the original, now season 24 does not. What's stranger, when I do a search for NCIS, Origins and New York show the current recording and the next episode it will record, but the original show only shows the current recording and some other channel showing the very first episode of season one. It makes no sense. When I set up the timers, I was able to use search for Origins and New York, but for the original, I had to scroll ahead in the guide until last Tuesday when the show was airing. Then set the timer from there. You can see its timer type is DVR where the other two are Seek. What am I missing?
Thanks!
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It is obviose some people do not know the diffornece between auto skip and FF
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It is obviose some people do not know the diffornece between auto skip and FF
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And there is a difference between fast forward and skip forwad....
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With both CBS and Fox autohop (as we know) is not enabled for a week..But after 24 hours if you mash the FF button until the red kangaroo shows up in the bottom right you wont overshoot the program. No need to try to figure how long the break is.
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tanman said:
With both CBS and Fox autohop (as we know) is not enabled for a week..But after 24 hours if you mash the FF button until the red kangaroo shows up in the bottom right you wont overshoot the program. No need to try to figure how long the break is.
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Yep. We do this all the time, but we use the 30-sec skip forward button until the red kangaroo shows up. Love this feature.
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Jim5506
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I'm a bit confused about the recording methods.
Do you havePrime Time Anytime enabled, by doing that you don't have to set recordings for Prime time programs on ABC, CBS, NBC or Fox stations, it's done daily, 7 days a week.
And only 2 weeks recordings are saved, no deletions either.
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Jim5506 said:
I'm a bit confused about the recording methods.
Do you havePrime Time Anytime enabled, by doing that you don't have to set recordings for Prime time programs on ABC, CBS, NBC or Fox stations, it's done daily, 7 days a week.
And only 2 weeks recordings are saved, no deletions either.
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Correct. If you enable PTAT, you don't have to set other timers for those programs. You can choose all of the 4 networks or as few as you want. You also can choose all 7 days or other options. However the programs will auto delete after 8 days unless you save that episode or save the whole series.
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Gary Toma
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/14/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
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HD​
264​
2​
1449​
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SD mpeg4​
145​
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194​
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SD mpeg2​
433​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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1​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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RB​
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Engr Work​
38​
-2​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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KyL416 said:
HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.
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KyL416
KyL416 said:
Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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They're finally live in the app's API, doing a check

PISTONS is not available in Detroit (WMYD/20), it is available in the rest of Michigan including Marquette who also gets the games on their MyNet station WJMN/3, along with the Toledo DMA and the northern portions of the South Bend and Fort Wayne DMAs.

THUNDER is available in OKC and Tulsa, so I wonder if DTV is just going to keep the OTA feeds of KSBI/52 and KQCW/19 and direct viewers to 675 for the rest of the games.
On stream it's in Choice for Oklahoma and Western Arkansas and requires Sports Pack for Nebraska, Kansas and Western Missouri, I'm not sure if it's the same for satellite.
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Slow Horses - Apple TV

Just finished S2. Watching Gary Oldman as deshvilved, dejected MI-6 agent, Jackson Lamb, is one of the best things streaming right now. Already 2 more seasons in the works. HIGHLY recommended. And yes, Mick Jagger sings the theme.
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A fine top notch TV show which is light years ahead!!😎👍
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N5XZS said:
A fine top notch TV show which is light years ahead!!😎👍
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"Jackson Lamb for Prime Minister! "
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Mrs. Foxbat and I are enjoying another great season so far. We only had to turn on the captions a few times.
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KAB
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Foxbat said:
Mrs. Foxbat and I are enjoying another great season so far. We only had to turn on the captions a few times.
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I think this new season is a little too slow of a burn (as of ep #4, probably due to new show runner. However, I can't wait to find out what's up with Taverner!
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Well, the season finale went balls to the wall. Non stop action and several twisted twists. Gary Oldman at his best. Very well written and executed. Tavener owes Jackson big time. Only "if" was Jack Lowden's (River) cliffhanger, especially admin-st the buzz that he is the next James Bond in waiting.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard
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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
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Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors
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Jump Down, Spin Around - Harry Belafonte
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Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks
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SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
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dishdude said:
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
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I had both the 921 and the 922. I used to buy them from DishDepot.com in Florida and trade in my older owned receiver towards the newest receiver. The 921 was a reboot receiver and the sling part was hit or miss. I look back on all those receivers I paid for over 25 years and I think it was just TV. If I had that money back now I would be lot richer. My Owned Hopper 3 is sitting in a drawer in my office not being used.
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That was part of the Ergen scheme, to sell the product as well as the service. And who didn't want the best box?

Maybe they went to the hopper because they were running out of 3-digit model #s- 1022 would have been kinda clunky. Folks would have tried to say "one-thousand and twenty two" instead of "ten-twenty-two".

Like some say "two thousand and twenty six".
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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922 was a train wreck. The end!
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Terminal List- Amazon

Much better than the critics would want you to believe. Only problem, the last guy was pretty obvious a couple of episodes in.
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I have watched three episodes so far and I like it.
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As do I.
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Season 2 out now on Prime
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Amazon Prime: The Rings of Power

Amazon Sets 'The Lord of the Rings' TV Series In Mega Deal With Multi-Season Commitment

$250 Million just for the rights to make something :eeek


The LOTR original series, a prequel to Tolkien's The Fellowship of the Ring, will be produced by Amazon Studios in cooperation with the Tolkien Estate and Trust; HarperCollins; and New Line Cinema, a division of Warner Bros. Entertainment, which produced the hugely successful LOTR movie franchise.

Set in Middle Earth, the television adaptation will explore new storylines preceding Tolkien's The Fellowship of the Ring.
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Two friends recommended this show to me and I was hooked by the second ep of season 1! Production values are amazing and the episode runtimes are (typically) over an hour, which makes it really easy get hooked on the story because they're playing it out with movie-like pacing rather than a 34-40 minute episode. Acting and casting is really good as well!

I got started on season 2 a few nights ago and was wondering if anyone else is watching?
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long_time_DNC said:
Two friends recommended this show to me and I was hooked by the second ep of season 1! Production values are amazing and the episode runtimes are (typically) over an hour, which makes it really easy get hooked on the story because they're playing it out with movie-like pacing rather than a 34-40 minute episode. Acting and casting is really good as well!

I got started on season 2 a few nights ago and was wondering if anyone else is watching?
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I am amazed you like it.

Made it thru season 1, thought it was terrible, but wanted to give it a chance, made it to halfway on Season 2, Episode 2, just could not take it anymore.

It like they took the worse Lord of the Rings fan-fiction off the internet and made it into a TV Series.

Yes, the production values are high, but that does not make it into a good series.
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Bruce said:
I am amazed you like it.

Made it thru season 1, thought it was terrible, but wanted to give it a chance, made it to halfway on Season 2, Episode 2, just could not take it anymore.

It like they took the worse Lord of the Rings fan-fiction off the internet and made it into a TV Series.

Yes, the production values are high, but that does not make it into a good series.
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They're taking a lot of this from The Silmarillion, of which I'm not quite a third of the way through yet, and sure, they've invented some new people, places and situations, but it's still (IMHO) a really good prequel to LOTR. Having only just started season 2, I'm still enjoying it quite a bit. I'm really not seeing the fan-fic angle in it. If season 2 proves to be as enjoyable as season 1 was for me, I'd sure like to see a 3rd season.
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Up to s2, ep4. Didn't like episode 3 quite as much as the rest, but episode 4 was terrific!
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Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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I saw that, wasn't sure if PHP was employed by XenForo or not.
arstechnica.com

PHP warns it plans to release 2 emergency patches imminently

Unconfirmed report claims PHP2Shell exploit remotely executes code on PHP sites.
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Yup thats what xenforo is written in, php.

But all patched now. :)
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Foxbat said:
I saw that, wasn't sure if PHP was employed by XenForo or not.
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PHP and a heapin' helpin' of JavaScript.

As dated as it is, PHP is eminently adept at projects like a forum. With modules, it is competitive in flexibility and computational efficiency with tools like Node.js or Ruby (where you must choose from many outboard tools).
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More specifically, these:



A more scholarly story is here:

www.bleepingcomputer.com

PHP warns admins of two critical flaws, emergency patches coming tomorrow

The PHP security team is warning administrators to prepare for emergency security updates tomorrow to address two critical vulnerabilities, as information about the flaws has reportedly leaked ahead of their scheduled disclosure.
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"WARNING Will Robinson!"
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You can't even trust the cost per ounce info in grocery stores anymore

I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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Juan
Juan
dishstaller said:
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price
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dishstaller
dishstaller
Juan said:
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...
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Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
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b4pjoe
b4pjoe
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
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harshness
harshness
b4pjoe said:
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
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Bone-in is a well-known and often prized attribute. Adding the tray and the film isn't right.
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Juan
Juan
dishstaller said:
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
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You are paying for the whole thing
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telstar_1
Juan said:
You are paying for the whole thing
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Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
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Juan
Juan
telstar_1 said:
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
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But a box can weigh more than an ounce..maybe 2...a can might weigh 5 ounces..a bag...not much
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dishstaller
dishstaller
Juan said:
.a bag...not much
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Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.
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