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I've been a homeowner at my condo complex the past 23 years. Recently the president of the homeowners association became obsessed about "cleaning up" all the satellite dishes in our 500 unit development. His main objections have been the many dishes that have gone up that are installed onto the various stucco roofing structures, which he feels compromises the structural integrity of the buildings. (However, to my knowledge, no dishes have been installed using mounts that penetrate the actual rooftops.)
In the newsletter I received today, he states the following:
"...the Board will be discussing the satellite TV system upgrade. This upgrade targets all satellite TV owners and users at CCV (the name of condo development). Sometime in the next 60-90 days current satellite owners and users will be given a deadline to contact the office and register their satellite service and equipment. For a brief time every line in CCV will be cut and a new line installed in its place. We will also be relocating the dishes onto NPR mounts to prevent roof damage. Aside from the fact that this upgrade will enhance the curb appeal of our complex we have hopes that by registering the equipment with the office, we might curb theft in the future because we will be able to trace most hardware to specific units.
Owners and users please note that a minor fee will be required from current satellite dish owners to conform their dishes to the new system. For owners who are considering switching over from Time Warner Cable to satellite TV this period would be the time to do it. Our installer has agreed to offer reduced cost installations for all systems done during this period. Afterwards all installations will only be allowed by approved vendors, not your satellite provider, and could cost upwards of $250 per install. Please contact the office for more details on how this upgrade and registration works."
Being satellite-obsessed, I have three dishes on the roof, plus an OTA antenna. I'm very upset by the edict that this dictatorial condo association president has handed down.
My question is, how much of what he is trying to enforce legal? I realize that by FCC regulations, homeowners associations cannot prevent the installation of dishes. However, what about the specific terms that are being dictated? I would suggest that this president is trying to solve a problem that does not exist.
None of my fellow homeowners feel there's any problem at all, yet he seems to be perceiving everything from structural damage to aesthetic devaluation (one can't even see the rooftops from the street!). I really don't wish anyone mucking with the installations I have personally performed, nor do I wish having to register a dish that is really none of their business.
Perhaps the biggest red flag is the portion of the statement that reads, "every line in CCV will be cut and a new line installed in its place" followed by "Afterwards all installations will only be allowed by approved vendors, not your satellite provider, and could cost upwards of $250 per install. " How in the world can this be legal? I personally got into a heated argument with Dishnetwork about upgrading to the 622 and their requirement that an installer come out. I told them that I had already installed the dish, but they insisted!
As we all know, satellite companies almost always offer -- or require -- free installation as part of signing-up for their service to begin with. Can a condo association really dictate that only their crony-approved installers do the work? And incurring costs, as the president put it, of "upwards of $250 per install?"
Any feedback or comments would be greatly appreciated. I would love to go in prepared with some ammunition, if any is available, at the next homeowners meeting.
Thanks so much to everyone.
In the newsletter I received today, he states the following:
"...the Board will be discussing the satellite TV system upgrade. This upgrade targets all satellite TV owners and users at CCV (the name of condo development). Sometime in the next 60-90 days current satellite owners and users will be given a deadline to contact the office and register their satellite service and equipment. For a brief time every line in CCV will be cut and a new line installed in its place. We will also be relocating the dishes onto NPR mounts to prevent roof damage. Aside from the fact that this upgrade will enhance the curb appeal of our complex we have hopes that by registering the equipment with the office, we might curb theft in the future because we will be able to trace most hardware to specific units.
Owners and users please note that a minor fee will be required from current satellite dish owners to conform their dishes to the new system. For owners who are considering switching over from Time Warner Cable to satellite TV this period would be the time to do it. Our installer has agreed to offer reduced cost installations for all systems done during this period. Afterwards all installations will only be allowed by approved vendors, not your satellite provider, and could cost upwards of $250 per install. Please contact the office for more details on how this upgrade and registration works."
Being satellite-obsessed, I have three dishes on the roof, plus an OTA antenna. I'm very upset by the edict that this dictatorial condo association president has handed down.
My question is, how much of what he is trying to enforce legal? I realize that by FCC regulations, homeowners associations cannot prevent the installation of dishes. However, what about the specific terms that are being dictated? I would suggest that this president is trying to solve a problem that does not exist.
None of my fellow homeowners feel there's any problem at all, yet he seems to be perceiving everything from structural damage to aesthetic devaluation (one can't even see the rooftops from the street!). I really don't wish anyone mucking with the installations I have personally performed, nor do I wish having to register a dish that is really none of their business.
Perhaps the biggest red flag is the portion of the statement that reads, "every line in CCV will be cut and a new line installed in its place" followed by "Afterwards all installations will only be allowed by approved vendors, not your satellite provider, and could cost upwards of $250 per install. " How in the world can this be legal? I personally got into a heated argument with Dishnetwork about upgrading to the 622 and their requirement that an installer come out. I told them that I had already installed the dish, but they insisted!
As we all know, satellite companies almost always offer -- or require -- free installation as part of signing-up for their service to begin with. Can a condo association really dictate that only their crony-approved installers do the work? And incurring costs, as the president put it, of "upwards of $250 per install?"
Any feedback or comments would be greatly appreciated. I would love to go in prepared with some ammunition, if any is available, at the next homeowners meeting.
Thanks so much to everyone.
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To bring one point home - they can do all of this (or most of it) legally because the installs in question fall outside the protected installations. If these installs were all made within the private use areas of the home, the HOA could do nothing. The fact that they are willing to work with everyone to ensure that there is reception to their home is good.
If you have visibility of the sats you want to view from your private use area, you can install any 39" (or smaller) dish and have fun. There is little they can actually do since they cannot add unreasonable cost or delay to your installation (unreasonable can be $10 or 10 mins). Furthermore, you can install several dishes in your private use area - there are more than just Dish and DTV out there. There are dozens of FTA sats. If you have the room for 15-20 39" dishes, you can legally install them all in your private use area so that you can receive the programming that you desire from each satellite
If you have visibility of the sats you want to view from your private use area, you can install any 39" (or smaller) dish and have fun. There is little they can actually do since they cannot add unreasonable cost or delay to your installation (unreasonable can be $10 or 10 mins). Furthermore, you can install several dishes in your private use area - there are more than just Dish and DTV out there. There are dozens of FTA sats. If you have the room for 15-20 39" dishes, you can legally install them all in your private use area so that you can receive the programming that you desire from each satellite
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
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The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. 
WTF… …What the Foxbat!Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming youWTF… …What the Foxbat!
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you
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OMG to freaking funny
You're no fun.
I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade..
. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
You should have looked in the APP STORE instead.
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.