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[ncted]

In one month I went from paying $224 for cable TV and Internet to pay $126 for the same thing.....only thing I did different was I dropped cox cable TV and went with sling tv. Same channels I used on cox.

Presumably, you are referring to cable channels, and not locals. What do you do for them? OTA or something else?

 

[tigerfan33]

https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/10/cbs-deal-makes-it-easier-to-get-local-tv-via-streaming/

CBS now on board to make it easier for locals to be added to streaming providers.

 

[harshness]

CBS now on board to make it easier for locals to be added to streaming providers.

If they're going to charge some significant portion of what CBS was charging for All Access, that's not going to be particularly attractive.

How they pull off local advertising is another question that must be answered. WIthout local advertising, there's no affiliates.

 

[jayn_j]

If they're going to charge some significant portion of what CBS was charging for All Access, that's not going to be particularly attractive.

How they pull off local advertising is another question that must be answered. WIthout local advertising, there's no affiliates.

I'm a bit confused here. tigerfan said it would be easier for streaming services to add LOCALS. Your response implies a national feed and questions the loss of local commercials. Totally different animal. The better analogy is DISH and DTV wasting a ton of bandwidth to carry all the locals with much duplication.

Even a national feed with local commercial insertion is not going to be sufficient. You need to be able to insert local news/weather crawls and interrupts. Also pre-emptive programming. And given the fact that sports control EVERYTHING, you need to be able to deal with both blackouts and local coverage of major sports.

No, a national feed will simply not work, even with commercial insertion.

 

[Ronnie-]

How they pull off local advertising is another question that must be answered. WIthout local advertising, there's no affiliates.

How would it be more difficult to add locals OTT vs via sat? They arent, from anything I have read, talking about just popping a national feed up there. This agreement allows CBS to do the negotiations for owned and operated and affiliates in one sitting. Keeping Vue/Sling/Now from having to negotiate rights with each market/media company individually.

 

[Ronnie-]

I'm a bit confused here. tigerfan said it would be easier for streaming services to add LOCALS. Your response implies a national feed and questions the loss of local commercials. Totally different animal. The better analogy is DISH and DTV wasting a ton of bandwidth to carry all the locals with much duplication.

Even a national feed with local commercial insertion is not going to be sufficient. You need to be able to insert local news/weather crawls and interrupts. Also pre-emptive programming. And given the fact that sports control EVERYTHING, you need to be able to deal with both blackouts and local coverage of major sports.

No, a national feed will simply not work, even with commercial insertion.

I have seen nothing that would indicate this would be a national feed. The link even mentions all affiliates, not a single national feed.

CBS has an arrangement with Sony's PlayStation Vue, but it only applied to several affiliates that had signed on. The new deal applies to all affiliates, which can now stream programming on newish live TV platforms

 

[Ronnie-]

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/ne...-new-streaming-deal-affiliate-stations/165647

CBS said it reached a new agreement with the CBS Affiliate Board that will help put live streams of affiliate signals on emerging digital streaming platforms.

The agreement continues affiliate participation in CBS' steaming service, CBS All Access, and it creates a template that allows CBS and its affiliates to be available to subscribers of new virtual MVPDs (multichannel video programming distributors) such as Hulu, YouTube TV and other future entrants into the market.

 

[harshness]

I have seen nothing that would indicate this would be a national feed

Why would CBS set this up on behalf of their affiliates (excluding O&O)? They don't do this with other carriers. It seems like they're crossing a well-defined line as well as cutting their own throats on All Access.

Imagine what the rights complications with IP-casting syndicated programming might be like.

 

[Ronnie-]

Just following the trend of abc and nbc which came to a similar agreement with their affiliates.

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[jayn_j]

I am going to speculate here. I think it is a matter of rights. The network owns the programming and grants rights to the affiliates for retransmission under certain conditions from a fixed location. Internet broadcast probably requires a separate agreement. I seem to recall 15 years ago going through the same thing to get satellite retransmission.

Technology marches on. Legal matters, not so quickly.

 

[Juan]

I am going to speculate here. I think it is a matter of rights. The network owns the programming and grants rights to the affiliates for retransmission under certain conditions from a fixed location. Internet broadcast probably requires a separate agreement. I seem to recall 15 years ago going through the same thing to get satellite retransmission.

Technology marches on. Legal matters, not so quickly.

Networks used to PAY their affiliates..now they CHARGE them

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[harshness]

I am going to speculate here. I think it is a matter of rights. The network owns the programming and grants rights to the affiliates for retransmission under certain conditions from a fixed location. Internet broadcast probably requires a separate agreement.

Remember that network programming makes up less than half the daily programming schedule for a typical affiliate. For networks like CW, it is less than 1/8th.

The bigs have a morning show, evening news and serials and the rest is either locally produced or syndicated. Imagine blackouts during Jeopardy or Wheel because the affiliate didn't get rights for IP-casting.

 

[jayn_j]

Remember that network programming makes up less than half the daily programming schedule for a typical affiliate. For networks like CW, it is less than 1/8th.

The bigs have a morning show, evening news and serials and the rest is either locally produced or syndicated. Imagine blackouts during Jeopardy or Wheel because the affiliate didn't get rights for IP-casting.

Who is going to watch a local without the network content. Lack of national rights was what killed most of the superstations. This is why WGN spawned off WGN America, because they didn't have rebroadcast rights to the netwo4rk material.

It did happen in the early days of satellite where the local did not have rights to put certain sports or syndicated programs on the satellite feed. DISH and DTV were forced to work out blackout schedules for these. But that was 15-20 years ago. These days the broader rights are built into the syndication packages. But as I said earlier, technology marches on and the legal team struggles to keep up. I really have no idea what the current state is on streaming rights.

 

[SpaethCo]

Imagine blackouts during Jeopardy or Wheel because the affiliate didn't get rights for IP-casting.

No need to imagine, already a problem.



Or recording restrictions...

 

[dishfan82]

Spectrum isn't available in Michigan right now but I wish they were. We only have Comcast and wow. Wow is ok since they have no data cap but speeds are too inconsistent and it goes down to much.


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[primestar31]

Spectrum isn't available in Michigan right now but I wish they were. We only have Comcast and wow. Wow is ok since they have no data cap but speeds are too inconsistent and it goes down to much.


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If you are talking CHARTER - Spectrum, they are so available in Michigan. Charter has been in mid-Michigan for decades, and they'd been Charter-Spectrum for a few years now. I have them right now for internet (60/5) and tv. Though I'm planning on dumping the tv part soon for OTA.

 

[dishfan82]

If you are talking CHARTER - Spectrum, they are so available in Michigan. Charter has been in mid-Michigan for decades, and they'd been Charter-Spectrum for a few years now. I have them right now for internet (60/5) and tv. Though I'm planning on dumping the tv part soon for OTA.

Yes . They're not available in Clinton township though


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