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Dish Faces April 30 Deadline In TiVo Case

Kheldar

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MultiChannel News article:
 
If you can't get a good business model, get a good lawyer.
 
The report is a bit misleading because it fails to mention that Dish has submitted a proposal to modify its software to no longer be infringing on TIVO's patent and based on the wording of the last injunction, Judge Folsom is suppose to review this modification proposal. So Judge Folsom could extend this deadline to review this proposal or in fact review and approve this modification without Dish settling with TIVO.
 
Higher court in the offing?

According to the quoted article, it seems unlikely. DishNet has appealed to the full court (instead of the 3-judge panel that recently ruled), but the article states:
Dish's hopes now rest on its motion for an en banc rehearing of the appeals court decision, Moffett wrote -- a motion he calculated has less than a 3% chance of being granted based on historical averages.

My understanding is that, next above this court is the Supreme Court, which has already declined to hear this case earlier. I do give Charlie credit for creative ways to drag this case on, though, so don't count them out yet.
 

When an article leaves out important information that I provide above then you really have to question if what they are saying is true. In additon, to what I posted above, the Appeals Court has stayed the injunction as well so both Judge Folsom and the Appeals Court would have to lift their stays for Dish to have to diable its DVRs without a settlement with TIVO.
 
Didn't someone predict here that this would play out to the bitter end and if push came to shove, Dish would just buy Tivo?
 

Here's a new article that addresses your point.

DISH Network: DVR Shutdown Danger Looms Ahead:
 
Thank you, Kheldar. Is that a fat lady I hear warming up?
 
The ViP models use the same infringing software processes and would have to be disabled too.

Thomas,

Whether you believe that or not is immaterial. The current litigation does NOT include any of the Dish VIP DVR's. Even if TIVO believes this, new litigation would have to be started by TIVO with regard to Dish's VIP DVR's.

In the end Dish will do one of two things; 1) License TIVO's software, 2) Purchase TIVO outright.

Many companies are quietly in support of Echostar in this fight, why you ask. Simple if in the end TIVO forces Echostar into compliance more companies will be targeted by TIVO. Personally, I don't think you can patent an idea and not an actual product.

Echostar's original DVR Dishplayer Model 7100 and Replay were the first DVR's. TIVO came later and patented the idea of recording to a Hard Drive. TIVO is being very heavy handed, if their product is so superior, I have to ask why are they bleeding subscribers. TIVO's days as a separate entity are nearly done. If they can't find a suitor or another host of companies to partner with they are going to slowly die.

John
 
Whether you believe that or not is immaterial. The current litigation does NOT include any of the Dish VIP DVR's.
Yes it does. The injunction requires disablement of DVRs that are only colorably different from the named models. Ergen said in SEC filings that if they lose the appeal they would have to disable all their DVRs.
 
Thomas, the ViP's are not included, as much as you would want to believe so its not the case.

The ViP's would require an entrely different trial.