Dish Locals Shutdown and DirectTV

[JohnH]

I don't think ppl are understanding that Dish has disabled EIT program guide info in their OTA tuner. If this were enabled you'd get program guide without spending $6 or whatever it is for locals.

Why did they disable EIT if locals are not a significant profit center? Their own financials show their profit margin is 44%!!

AFAIC disabling EIT makes Dish more complicit in ripping us off.

Seems like you think they should just give you the OTA Tuner and provide the program info(which costs) for free.

 

[Hemi 6.1]

All he is saying is since Dish makes a decent profit, they as a company should absorb some of the cost of the locals they carry instead of passing it on to the costumers or pulling them off of the air.

I happen to dissagree with him as I do not think Dish's profits are anywhere near 44%.

I know what he means, But lets turn that around on D* as well. Their numbers look much Higher then E*. But I'm not telling D* customers they are getting ripped Off because D* makes money. That Just dumb. I may not feel D* would be worth the money for what I want. But thats why I use my E* service for 95% of my TV service. I have a very limited D* service. I'd like to see a New TiVo in action, Before I take a step, But with the limited Programming I find with D*, I'm not so sure its that great of a step for my needs.
But for someone to drop into a Thread who hasn't a clue on E* service, and say they are ripping him off, Is nothing but nonsence.

 

[TheKrell]

Seems like you think they should just give you the OTA Tuner and provide the program info(which costs) for free.

I think he meant PSIP data being free but unavailable on Dish OTA tuners.

 

[DodgerKing]

I know what he means, But lets turn that around on D* as well. Their numbers look much Higher then E*. But I'm not telling D* customers they are getting ripped Off because D* makes money. That Just dumb. I may not feel D* would be worth the money for what I want. But thats why I use my E* service for 95% of my TV service. I have a very limited D* service. I'd like to see a New TiVo in action, Before I take a step, But with the limited Programming I find with D*, I'm not so sure its that great of a step for my needs.
But for someone to drop into a Thread who hasn't a clue on E* service, and say they are ripping him off, Is nothing but nonsence.

What is the big deal about TiVO. I still OWN a TiVO and have used TiVO's much longer than my HR20 and I can easily say that the HR20 is many times better than TiVO in many aspects, from the features to the interface to the ease of use.

 

[JohnH]

I think he meant PSIP data being free but unavailable on Dish OTA tuners.

Possibly, but it sure would be a pain to sit around waiting on PSIP updates to schedule recordings.

 

[Hemi 6.1]

What is the big deal about TiVO. .

Guess we will see.

 

[Jhon69]

All he is saying is since Dish makes a decent profit, they as a company should absorb some of the cost of the locals they carry instead of passing it on to the costumers or pulling them off of the air.

I happen to dissagree with him as I do not think Dish's profits are anywhere near 44%.

I disagree also.

Plus does he have D*?,or is he representing local networks?.Alot of times when posters attack E* others normally assume they are a D* subscriber.


I myself have had both and both serve a purpose....a choice.

 

[Jim5506]

I like that Idea.

You can have must carry and be on free, or you can demand compensation.

But compensation allows the satellite/cable company to bring in adjacent DMA programming from the same source (network).

 

[grb]

I think you are all getting ripped off. I would never have dish after having them f me over as a subcontractor for 18 months. I haven't had D* since my TiVo R10 hard drive died. Local stations are nutty for asking for ANY money from anybody other than advertisers. If they get paid for me to have the option to watch their crappy programming, then I should be able to choose which city I get networks out of, because they are then NOT free, and become just another subscription package.

Another reason they are nutty is that I can watch just about any show for free, streaming, and sometimes in HD, right off the network's website. I have lifeline cable because it is "included" with my internet, so I have no need for D* or E*. I miss the TiVo, becuase I had lots of stuff to watch whenever I wanted, but I also have a nice DVD collection to fall back on, and a netflix account.

So, somebody care to explain why the "local" networks should have their cake and get to eat it, too? I think they should lose their protected status if they get money. I want the right to choose what I pay for.............

Good points.

Since OTA is free to anyone within signal reception, there should be no charge to Dish. Dish should get a nominal return for providing the equipment to allow their subs that are out of range or do not have an OTA antenna to receive this free programming. That return is currently $5 per subscriber.

Dish's service should actually provide higher advertising revenue to these locals because of higher viewership, hence increasing their profitability.

So why doesn't Charlie just continue to distribute these free OTA channels and fight them in court? That's his usual modus operanda...

 

[Quantum]

I happen to dissagree with him as I do not think Dish's profits are anywhere near 44%.

What if they are 44%?
DISH: Competitors for DISH Network Corporation - Yahoo! Finance

Now; why in the world would anyone think I made that up? You just look silly when you do not do your homework.

 

[Hemi 6.1]

What if they are 44%?
DISH: Competitors for DISH Network Corporation - Yahoo! Finance

Now; why in the world would anyone think I made that up? You just look silly when you do not do your homework.

Again , Whats D* profit % based on this info?

 

[Stargazer]

Good News on Your Local TV Stations: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

This states that the local network affiliates are looking for more money to make up for lower ratings and not being able to depend on the ad generating revenue like they did in the past. It states that there could be a freeze on negotiations while the digital transition is going on and that CBS could be the biggest battle on retransmission agreements as they do not have other diversities. It also states that the local network stations will be demanding more money and ...

"Comcast, Time Warner Cable , Cablevision , DirecTV and Dish Network are the losers, while CBS, Disney, GE, News Corporation, Sinclair, LIN and other local station owners, including Belo and Hearst-Argyle are the winners."

Look for your rates to go up as a result (even more than they already have).

 

[HDRoberts]

What if they are 44%?
DISH: Competitors for DISH Network Corporation - Yahoo! Finance

Now; why in the world would anyone think I made that up? You just look silly when you do not do your homework.

As is pointed out above, gross profit margin doesn;t account for a lot of Dish's (or others) costs, especially in DBS.

Gross profit margin is a financial ratio used to assess the profitability of a firm's core activities, excluding fixed costs.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_profit_margin"]Gross margin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

I.E. it covers programming and maybe set top boxes. Not things like, you know, uplink centers and satellites and the like.

 

[Hemi 6.1]

Yes ,So from the looks of this info E* employs more people then D* and makes less money.

 

[Quantum]

Again , Whats D* profit % based on this info?

What's that got to do with anything? This discussion is about Dish and locals disputes.

As is pointed out above, gross profit margin doesn;t account for a lot of Dish's (or others) costs, especially in DBS.

Gross profit margin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I.E. it covers programming and maybe set top boxes. Not things like, you know, uplink centers and satellites and the like.

No.

From your own link:
"[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_profit_margin"]Gross margin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]"

As proof, there is then the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_profit_margin"]Profit margin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame], which is after taxes. Notice it doesn't say anything about operating costs, because that's not how [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAAP"]Generally Accepted Accounting Principles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Question_book-new.svg" class="image"><img alt="Question book-new.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png[/ame] works.

I know that you don't want to believe that they are making 44% profit, but facts, are facts. Face it. I can't think of any other business that makes that kind of money, can you? The locals are barely making it, and are just trying to survive. In backing Dish in these disputes you are attempting to destroy competition, which will end up costing you far more in the long-run, you just don't know it.

Yes ,So from the looks of this info E* employs more people then D* and makes less money.

Yes, and my God, can't you hear the words what are coming out of your mouth?

 

[Hemi 6.1]

Yes, and my God, can't you hear the words what are coming out of your mouth?

Yes it means D* is keeping far more profit then E*. By using your method ,D* customers are getting ripped off.

 

[primestar31]

Good News on Your Local TV Stations: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

This states that the local network affiliates are looking for more money to make up for lower ratings and not being able to depend on the ad generating revenue like they did in the past.

I have a GREAT idea for these networks!

WHY don't they make tv shows that aren't CRAP, where the writers or actors aren't always on strike, and that people want to watch? Also, showing 6 episodes or so, then going on hiatus for 1 year, ALSO kills their viewership! That way the ratings will go UP, and they can charge more for ads. Also, get rid of those stinking BUGS that cover 1/3 of the screen. Seems like a couple of simple fixes to me!

They want to charge Dish more, because of simple GREED, no other reason.

 

[Hemi 6.1]

What's that got to do with anything? This discussion is about Dish and locals disputes.?

Its got everything to do with it, D* is making over 49% from a much Higher Gross income. According to your math.
Net profit is For D* $1.5 Billion
E* is $861 Million
Last time I checked a Billion was more then a Million.

 

[HDRoberts]

No.

From your own link:
"Indicates the relationship between net sales revenue and the cost of goods sold."

As proof, there is then the Net Profit Margin, which is after taxes. Notice it doesn't say anything about operating costs, because that's not how GAAP works.

I know that you don't want to believe that they are making 44% profit, but facts, are facts. Face it. I can't think of any other business that makes that kind of money, can you? The locals are barely making it, and are just trying to survive. In backing Dish in these disputes you are attempting to destroy competition, which will end up costing you far more in the long-run, you just don't know it.

Yes, and my God, can't you hear the words what are coming out of your mouth?

Um, the only goods Dish sells are programming and set top boxes. The don't sell uplink centers or satellites. Thus, they are not included in the gross profit margin.

Fixed cost are excluded. Fixed cost are defined as business expenses that are not dependent on the level of production or sales. Doesn't matter how much programming they sell, the cost of Dish satellites, uplinks, and many of their employees are the same.

For example, If I sold hot dogs for a $1 and they cost me $0.25 each. My Gross Profit Margin is (1-0.25)/1=75%. But I only sell 5 an hour and have to pay a guy $8/hour to sell them. Plus, I need a $10 cylinder of propane to fuel the cart every day. So in an 8 hour day, I sell 40 hot dogs for $40 revenue. But my costs were $0.25*40=$10 for the hot dogs, $8*8=$64 for the guy selling them, and $10 for fuel. So my total expenses were $84. $74 I pay if I sell 40 hot dogs of 4,000, that isn't in my gross profit margin. So even though my gross profit margin is 75%, I'm losing $44 dollars a day.

Read Dish's last quarterly earnings DISH Network Corporation :: DISH Network(R) Reports Third Quarter 2008 Financial Results

DISH Network Corporation (NASDAQ: DISH) today reported total revenue of $2.94 billion for the quarter ended Sept. 30, 2008, a 5.1 percent increase compared with $2.79 billion for the corresponding period in 2007.
Net income totaled $92 million for the quarter ended Sept. 30, 2008, compared with $200 million during the corresponding period in 2007. The $108 million decline in net earnings primarily related to impairments on marketable and non-marketable securities. Basic earnings per share were $0.20 for the quarter ended Sept. 30, 2008, compared with basic earnings per share of $0.45 during the corresponding period in 2007.

Revenue=$2.94B
Net Income (i.e. Profit)=$92M
$92M/$2.94B= ~ 3.1%. Nowhere near 44%

It seems like your the one that wants them to make 44% profit. That would justify your hated of Dish and Charlies tactics. But as as clearly proven, Dish does not make 44 cents on every dollar we give them. More like 3 or 4 pennies.

 

[Yes616]

I was trying to remember (NYC people help me out here), we lost WWOR some years back for this kind of reason. Time Warner Cable yanked WPIX for a bit too.

All of this is nothing new. But it can be a PITA.