Do you really need an HD Tv?

[Peter Parker]

Everything I read about the coupons is a bit different. Does anyone have a link to a site with the correct info?

 

[Peter Parker]

According to this website NTIA: Digital TV Transition and Public Safety EVERY household in America is eligible for the coupons not just those not receiving satellite or cable. however there will be (or may be) a period where OTA only households are the only ones to receive them.

 

[Jim5506]

DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE

Use the Table of Contents to find what you want.

This is the Official US Government site for the program - if they aren't the difinitive authority on this bureaucratic fiasco, there isn't one.

 

[Peter Parker]

DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE

Use the Table of Contents to find what you want.

This is the Official US Government site for the program - if they aren't the difinitive authority on this bureaucratic fiasco, there isn't one.

The site you link to indicates that it is NOT restricted to OTA households only.

The site I listed above actually explains it better but your link shows this

Upon careful consideration of all arguments raised in the comments for and against limiting household eligibility criteria, NTIA has decided not to initially limit household eligibility in the Coupon Program to households reliant exclusively on over-the-air broadcasts for television service. Accordingly, the Final Rule permits coupons to be distributed initially to all U.S. households. As proposed in the NPRM and consistent with the definition used by the U.S. Census Bureau, a “household” consists of all persons who currently occupy a house, apartment, mobile home, group of rooms, or single room that is occupied as a separate U.S. postal address. [ 25 ] NTIA received a comment from SunBelt Multimedia Company that requested the household definition to be expanded to allow multiple families residing at a single address to each count as a household, based on the community or income criteria. [ 26 ] NTIA recognizes that multiple families may exist in households as defined by this Final Rule, however, it would be administratively difficult to determine the number and location of these households and to establish a definition based on community or income criteria.



They initially wanted to restrict it but that was not the final rule.

 

[T-Max]

Do you NEED an HDTV when everything goes digital? No. Digital and HD are two different things - I get several digital SD channels on my antenna today....

I'm more than a bit surprised at some of the stuff posted on this thread.

1) I take a bit of an issue with the statement that "Digital and HD are two different things." Better to have said "HD and SD are two different things." Both are digital. HD is digital so HD and digital can't be two different things, depending on what you mean by "different."

2) The original question was whether you need an HDTV when everything goes digital. The correct answer is very simply "no" (as correctly stated and quoted above).

3) So, what do you need if you don't have an HDTV? Well, you'll need a digital tuner because your analog tuner won't work anymore since there will no longer be analog signals to tune.

4) If we are talking strictly OTA here, then you'll need a digital set top box (digital tuner) like the Samsung TS360, Samsung H260F, or the Voom box. Since you don't have an HDTV, your TV won't have a digital tuner, so that's why you'll need a digital tuner.

5) Your digital set top box (STB) tuner will be capable of giving you top quality TV on your old analog set no matter what. You won't be able to watch actual HDTV (cuz you need an HDTV to do that!) but you'll get the best TV you ever saw on your old TV for sure. All you need do is get the output from the STB to the TV. How to do that? Read on.

6) I'm using the oldest style analog TV you can deal with, and that's one with only a coaxial cable antenna (or cable) input at the back. There are no RCA cable connections at the back of the set. I'm also using a Voom box as my OTA tuner (STB). The Voom happens to have an RF coaxial cable output, so that makes it pretty easy. I just run some coaxial cable from that output on the Voom to the back of the TV, make sure I have selected channel 3 (or 4) on the little switch @ the back of the Voom right by the RF out connector, tune my TV to channel 3 (or 4), and viola', I'm watching super TV.

7) Now, some STB digital tuners don't have an RF coaxial cable out connector. But they ALL have the yellow/red/white RCA connections. So in that case, if you have an old TV like mine, you run your yellow/red/white cables from the STB to the yellow/red/white inputs of your old VCR, set the VCR to AUX, connect the VCR coaxial cable output to your TV (just like you do when you're using your VCR as a VCR) and your VCR acts as an RF modulator and viola', you're watching super TV

8) If your older TV has the yellow/red/white RCA connectors at the back, you don't need your VCR. Just connect your yellow/red/white cables from the STB to the yellow/red/white inputs of your TV, and viola', you're watching super TV.

9) Now, that leaves just the issue of "picture format," or, will I be watching a letterbox picture, a picture with black or gray bars on the sides, a picture with black or gray bars top and bottom, or what? The answer is: it depends. Most (if not all) STB's provide for setting the picture format. So you will be able to watch whatever "style" picture you want by simply selecting the setting of your preference. I have that ability with my Voom box via the "picture format" setting. Having been using this box for 10 months now, I've found that the best way to handle this issue is to select the setting that best suits the program's broadcast format and my own preference. It's complicated, but at this point it time it appears that broadcasters are broadcasting stuff without much consistency between different broadcasters. So some stations broadcast their SD stuff so that you get everything in a full screen 4:3 format with no distortion, etc. Some stations broadcast such that some stuff is full-screen and some things aren't. Stations that broadcast some HD programs will give you the anamorphic widescreen HD format (letterbox, but not the little letterbox) for their HD, and then black bars on the sides for other non-HD stuff, like commercials (or some commercials). This is something you'll just have to live with until you spring for an HDTV.

The point is, you will not be locked into watching any particular picture format. You can select whatever format you prefer by fiddling with your STB's picture format feature. Up until recently, I'd been leaving my picture format setting pretty much set one way and living with whatever the broadcasters were giving me -- even if it was annoying black bars or images that were distorted (people stretched too tall, etc). But now I'm changing that setting as required for each show I'm watching -- if I have to. So now I'm no longer watching any black bar shows or shows with too-tall folks. The downside is that I'm constantly changing that setting as I go from show to show. But there's nothing I can do about that as long as I'm too cheap to get a new HD 16:9 format TV and continue to live with this old 4:3 format TV. BTW, "format" is more properly termed "aspect ratio."

So, "no," you do NOT need an HDTV to watch digital TV.

You WILL need a digital tuner (STB) and a way to get that tuner's output to your particular TV, which should NOT be a problem at all and WILL NOT be a problem at all for anyone with a working VCR to use as an RF modulator (if you need it).

Any questions?

 

[peterson40]

What's a VCR?

 

[T-Max]

What's a VCR?

I assume that's sarcasm. If not, try Google.

Let's go back to the post that started this thread. It was said there -

7. The voucher program will primarily be aimed at getting digital to analogue converters that will automatically downconvert hd and digital signals to analogue so that they can be viewed on normal analogue tvs that folks already have... (but could be used for other stuff too like a new digital tv with built in tuners)

8. The downconverter tuners mentioned in number 7 don't actually exist yet but will start being sold in 2008 by companies like Sony....

Statement # 8 is just flat-out wrong. The "downconverter tuners" DO exist right now. Every digital tuner STB currently available -- and there are a LOT of them including the ones I mentioned in my prior post -- "downconvert" digital to analog. They ALL have the yellow/white/red RCA "composite cable" connections which represent "downconverted" output and thus can be connected directly to an analog TV which has those connections.

If your TV is an older one and doesn't have those RCA connections (and your STB doesn't have a coaxial RF-out connection), then you need to run those cables to another device which has a coaxial RF output connection so that you can provide a connection between your TV and your digital tuner (via that other device). That's where the VCR comes in because it will have the RCA inputs AND the coaxial RF output which you then connect to your TV.

Note that the "composite cable" connections should not be confused with the "component cable" connections, which are also RCA connectors, but are green/blue/red.

Composite video was created for standard-definition television in the basic NTSC broadcast format.

Component video is a color-difference video format which carries the splitting-out of information one step further. Component video's three cables (green/blue/red) are Y (Luminance again, along with the sync pulses), Pb (Blue minus Luminance), and Pr (Red minus Luminance). Color rendering is a step better than composite video, but what's more significant is that Y/Pb/Pr component video will also support higher resolutions and progressive scan, so if your video is running at 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p, (or, for that matter, any other oddball resolution which your source and display devices both support), you can make use of the full capabilities of your equipment.

S-video vs. Component Video -- Which is Better? -- Blue Jeans Cable

Of course, current digital STB's also provide for unconverted digital output in both SD and HD and can thus also be used with HDTV's and SD digital TV's (if there are such things, and I think there are).

Any other questions?

(Trust me, I'm NO expert. I'm just speaking from experience and a limited body of knowledge)

 

[digiblur]

What's a VCR?

The box next to the Betamax and Laser disc player.

 

[SOFAKINGCOOL]

It's all pretty "Moot" if you ask me. There will be only 12 million vouchers printed. And those 12 million vouchers will be issued out to the 12 million "Illegal Imigrants" as they become "Legal Imigrants" and pick up there new "Social Security Cards" and "National ID Cards" and "Welfair Checks" and "Food Stamps"..... In other words, if you're not getting "Food Stamps" at that time, you won't get one of these vouchers. And, if you are getting "Food Stamps, you will have to get in line behind the "New Citizens", and hope there are some left....
Which ain't likely!

Al

ROFLMAO

SI SE PUEDE,SI SE PUEDE

 

[T-Max]

The box next to the Betamax and Laser disc player.

WRONG!!

It's the one next to the 8-track player.