Do you really need an HD Tv?

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I've been reading about the digital conversion on the fcc's website and a few other places online. Based on what I've read, here are some assumptions I've got so far. Please help clarify if some of these assumptions are false and/or what direction I should be going ...

1. The analogue channels go dark in February 2009

2. The Federal Government will have a voucher program for you to receive (2) roughly $40.00 vouchers per household for tuners starting in January 2008.

3. It's not been defined yet whether you can use the vouchers together for purchases (i.e. for (1) 80.00 purchase or if it has to be (2) 40.00 purchases)

4. IBM will actually be delivering the vouchers since they won the federal contract.

5. The Government actually didn't allocate enough money to cover everyone in the entire country, so they are hoping that the folks on cable and with dishnetwork or directv, etc. won't go for the vouchers - which is probably a major mistake since people will want free stuff, and won't necessarily want to be on pay tv forever.

6. The voucher program will likely be on a first come first served basis starting in January 2008.... which could make buying tricky since the downconverters that will convert hd/sd to analogue won't actually start being sold til 2008 so folks buying in the first quarter 2008 may get hosed since they are buying new technology that will be more stable and bug free later in the year, but by buying early they are getting a better chance to actually get the vouchers... which are rumored to only be good for 3 months... so you couldn't get a voucher in January and wait til Black Friday to use it, etc.

7. The voucher program will primarily be aimed at getting digital to analogue converters that will automatically downconvert hd and digital signals to analogue so that they can be viewed on normal analogue tvs that folks already have... (but could be used for other stuff too like a new digital tv with built in tuners)

8. The downconverter tuners mentioned in number 7 don't actually exist yet but will start being sold in 2008 by companies like Sony - these converters will negate some reasons to get expensive hd tv sets, etc. since the converters will let normal analogue tvs see hd programming.. albiet with fewer pixels but the full screen will be viewable on a normal analogue tv, which is NOT the case if you get a normal digital tv that just can recieve sd, but not hd... so in theory you just need either

a. a downconverter+analogue tv to get sd and hd local digital channels
or
b. a hdtv to get both hd and sd local digital channels

9. most local channels will go to sd, and stay that way, but there's a chance down the road that they will eventually go hd.
 
It's all pretty "Moot" if you ask me. There will be only 12 million vouchers printed. And those 12 million vouchers will be issued out to the 12 million "Illegal Imigrants" as they become "Legal Imigrants" and pick up there new "Social Security Cards" and "National ID Cards" and "Welfair Checks" and "Food Stamps"..... In other words, if you're not getting "Food Stamps" at that time, you won't get one of these vouchers. And, if you are getting "Food Stamps, you will have to get in line behind the "New Citizens", and hope there are some left....
Which ain't likely!

Al
 
Number 8 is interesting... HD content is widescreen so it would be either letterboxed or cropped.. But, I can't imagine those converter boxes are going to anything except convert digital to analog.. That said, if the boxes actually do convert HD to analog will it be watchable..
 
These converters will not allow you to watch High Definition (HD) programming! They will only convert a digital signal so it can be viewed on current televisons. In order to view HD programming one must have a TV capable of displaying HD signals; they must also have an HD tuner, either built into the TV or into a converter box which is wired to an HD-capable TV. The sole reason for the analog-to-digital conversion is to free up airways, nothing more.
 
These converters will not allow you to watch High Definition (HD) programming! They will only convert a digital signal so it can be viewed on current televisons. In order to view HD programming one must have a TV capable of displaying HD signals; they must also have an HD tuner, either built into the TV or into a converter box which is wired to an HD-capable TV. The sole reason for the analog-to-digital conversion is to free up airways, nothing more.

Why won't they? Do you really think that peoples TV's will be dark during all the primetime shows. Will it be HD no but it would be 480i signal downconverted from 720p or 1080i.
 
Why won't they? Do you really think that peoples TV's will be dark during all the primetime shows. Will it be HD no but it would be 480i signal downconverted from 720p or 1080i.

Why won't they? Because there is a difference between Hi-Definition digital programming and just plain digital programming, that's why. Of course peoples' TVs will not be dark. But they also will not be able to watch Hi-Definition as your previous thread strongly inferred! They will get a digital signal in a 4:3 (not sure on this one) format. You need to go back and educate yourself on the difference between Hi-Definition and just plain digital formats.
 
You need to go back and educate yourself on the difference between Hi-Definition and just plain digital formats.

I know the difference between plan digital and HD. You are the one that needs to learn more information on the hardware.

I just set my HR20 and my local PBS digital channel (was broadcasting a HD feed) to output to a old 13" TV using the the yellow, red and white cables. Guess what, the picture still was broadcast to the set. It down converted the signal and sent it to the TV just like I said it would. The converter boxes will do the same thing. There will only be analog outs but it will down convert the signal if broadcast in HD to a usable format.
 
But they also will not be able to watch Hi-Definition as your previous thread strongly inferred!

By the way I never said that they would be watching HD quality. They will be watching a down converted digital signal whether it be a 1080i, 720p or 480 source.
 
I know a couple of folks that watch HD digital signals on a digital tuner on their SDTV's. Looks great..some of the best video I've seen on a SDTV. I picked up the two tuners on a closeout rack at Wal-Mart about 2 years ago for $20 a piece. Can't beat it.
 
I know a couple of folks that watch HD digital signals on a digital tuner on their SDTV's. Looks great..some of the best video I've seen on a SDTV. I picked up the two tuners on a closeout rack at Wal-Mart about 2 years ago for $20 a piece. Can't beat it.

How is the HD content shown.. Is it letterboxed or cropped.. I just can't imagine that the converter boxes are going to have much for features, if any, I may be wrong though...
 
How is the HD content shown.. Is it letterboxed or cropped.. I just can't imagine that the converter boxes are going to have much for features, if any, I may be wrong though...

The boxes we picked up had the zoom/aspect button on them. Kinda like a DVD player on a SDTV. You can watch in letterbox mode or in 4:3 with the sides chopped off.
 
I was looking at a $99 cheapy SD tv that with a digital tuner that could crop or letterbox HD signals. I bet most people using these type of sets crop the picture, I would anyway.
 
I was looking at a $99 cheapy SD tv that with a digital tuner that could crop or letterbox HD signals. I bet most people using these type of sets crop the picture, I would anyway.

Yep...

"Why is the top and bottom cut off? I'm missing part of the show!" Presses all the buttons until they find the zoom... "There. I fixed it!"
 
Do you really need an HD Tv?
No, I like the clarity of most Digital Broadcast Television if it has not been compressed too much or the video has not been made "soft" (slightly blurry). Most people don't know there is HDTV that has been recorded in "soft" mode.
 
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The government has put heavy restrictions on what these coupons can "buy".

Equipment shall support 4:3 center cut-out of 16:9 transmitted image, letterbox output of 16:9 letterbox transmitted image, and a full or partially zoomed output of unknown transmitted image.

Entire specification is at: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/frnotices/2007/DTVFinalRule_technical.htm.

Disqualifying features are: Any device or capability which provides for more than simply converting a digital over- the-air television signal (ATSC) for display on an analog television receiver (NTSC), including, but not limited to: Integrated video display; Video or Audio recording or playback capability such as VCR, DVD, HDDVD, Blue Ray, etc.

Prohibited outputs are Digital Video Interface (DVI); Component video (YPbPr); High-Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI); Computer video (VGA); USB IEEE-1394 (iLink or Firewire); Ethernet (IEEE-802.3); Wireless (IEEE0802.11).


Government mumbo-jumbo, eek.
 
Do you NEED an HDTV when everything goes digital? No. Digital and HD are two different things - I get several digital SD channels on my antenna today.

Will you need the digital-to-analog converting tuner if your TV doesn't have an ATSC tuner? Yes.

Should you still WANT an HDTV? Um, heck yes!! Anyone who thinks SD -down-converted or otherwise - is comparable to HD has probably never seen HD.

Even so-called "soft" HD is still better than anything with 480 lines of resolution...
 
Some people will probably use the vouchers just to sell the converters and they will probably be available for really cheap afterwards on ebay.
 
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It's all pretty "Moot" if you ask me. There will be only 12 million vouchers printed. And those 12 million vouchers will be issued out to the 12 million "Illegal Imigrants" as they become "Legal Imigrants" and pick up there new "Social Security Cards" and "National ID Cards" and "Welfair Checks" and "Food Stamps"..... In other words, if you're not getting "Food Stamps" at that time, you won't get one of these vouchers. And, if you are getting "Food Stamps, you will have to get in line behind the "New Citizens", and hope there are some left....
Which ain't likely!

Al

I can't believe no one climbed on this post. That is the exact reason we are where we are. I'll try not to hijack this with political rants as much as I'd love to.
Of the 12 million (theroetical I presume, but run with it) 10 million will be in spanish anyway. I agree it's all pretty moot. What's a $40 voucher... After all the $$ people here throw into "TV".. Not to refuse free monies, but when it's not needed, the dems will double it and try to make you think you wanted it in the first place.

I have NO knowledge at this point of the HD, digital, no-more-analog, whatever conversion as I just today rec'd my first HDTV today.. But I know the gov't giving away more "free" stuff isn't good. It's always a trap. If you can't afford free TV signals, or can't afford to get the equipment for free TV signals, then you need to make lifestyle changes. Jobs help in that area.

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