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Does upgrade to Hopper from 622 require rewiring?

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mlinuxg

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If I upgrade my 622 to a Hopper system do I need to have all the wiring replaced or upgraded? Or can they just install the Hopper using my current wiring and dish?
 
Probably you can use the existing wiring, BUT it is not 100% the Hopper does require 3ghz cable that the 622 didn't.
 
I upgraded my original setup which was 2-622's and 2-211's to a 2-Hopper 3-Joey system. They used all the existing wiring.
 
mlinuxg said:
If I upgrade my 622 to a Hopper system do I need to have all the wiring replaced or upgraded? Or can they just install the Hopper using my current wiring and dish?
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No way of knowing until the installer gets there and looks at your situation. The Hopper system is a little more particular on the wiring than the VIP series of receivers.
 
mlinuxg said:
If I upgrade my 622 to a Hopper system do I need to have all the wiring replaced or upgraded? Or can they just install the Hopper using my current wiring and dish?
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Most likely, your cables are fine.
Dish might call for a dish change if you're on the opposite arc from your HD locals. Just depends on what orbitals (sats) they have your account currently tagged with and which ones they determine you need to be on if you upgrade.
 
It depends on your current wiring and what equipment you are getting. Most times changes can be done between dish and house with some minor changes inside. If you have OTA, it may need additional wiring or changes.
 
Is the orange burial cable RG6 3ghz? That's the only cable the Dish installer laid out that I didn't provide. Everything else in my home is RG6 3ghz.
 
Do not forget the addition of the node. The tv2 lines will need to be rewired since they will now go to the client of the node. Other then that the wiring is similar and may be used. Also make sure it is rg6 cabling. Rg59 will cause major moca errors.
 
If you live in a cold climate, make sure they put the node indoors. At one point there were problems if the node was outside in cold weather.
 
That was with the first generation duo nodes. They fixed that by redesigning the node and you can tell the new ones because it has a black dot on it.
 

Moca will work fine on RG59. Mine does on 30 year old wire. YMMV.

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I'm glad it is working for you, however it is still an unsupported connection that has proven to cause moca issues.
 
Please provide the link where Dish says we can no longer use RG-59 to the Joey.
If his tv2 line has been working fine with his 622, then it'll probably be just fine with the Joey.
It's the nature of the job that we run into bad cable from time to time. That doesn't mean you replace the cable on every job just out of fear it may be bad. That's a bridge you don't cross unless you gotta cross it.
 
Considering I'm doing this on my phone I'm not about to go link surfing, however you can go to mydish.com and check out their wiring diagrams. And as far as what works and what is supported. Those are two seperate things. Dish only supports the rg6 cabling, so their technicians will replace any non rg6 cabling as a precaution. Unless they are lazy. And if audited will fail a quality inspection.
 
ChadT41 said:
I'm glad it is working for you, however it is still an unsupported connection that has proven to cause moca issues.
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It isn't the RG59 that is the problem. DISH MoCA runs under 1GHz and that's well within the range of any RG59 cable that isn't absolutely rotten or otherwise severely damaged.

Cable MoCA runs at MUCH higher frequencies but it too usually tolerates RG59.

My guess is that DISH doesn't want any reason for installers to have RG59 in their truck.
 

This is the most recent wiring diagram for the Hopper system that Dish put out shortly before the Super Joey was released. You can't see it on here but on the same page, Dish states this diagram was last modified on 04/04/14, which is less than 3 weeks ago.

As you can clearly see, it specifically shows that Dish allows both RG6 and RG59 to the Joey.

So, no, it won't fail QAS, and no, it's not the sign of an lazy tech.


 
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dwarren2 said:
If you live in a cold climate, make sure they put the node indoors. At one point there were problems if the node was outside in cold weather.
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i believe that was in combination with a particular LNB and the older version of the duo node.

Our duo node has been outside for 2 years in minus 20 weather regularly.
 
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