EchoStar/Dish raises doubts about 'ability to continue as a going concern'

BK advs are annoying? How about:

Colonial Penn Insurance
Lume Deodorant (Get out of my face woman!)
Plexaderm (Preparation H for your face)
ALL of the various disease commercials that think they have to actually SHOW it
Overlong commercials like John Walsh's or Generac
All the PSA's put together by the Ad Council
And if I see one more bear wipe his butt I think I'll scream 😬
You forgot THE WORST...Jardience, "The little pill with a big story to tell"!!
 
On some streaming forums I see a lot of complaints about commercials. Which commercials, too many commercials, loud commercials, the same commercials over and over, paying extra for no commercials, yet still getting commercials… etc.

And I always find myself thinking: it’s great to have Dish!

I have a pretty good feel for which cases I need to tap in about 4:30 min worth of skips, and which cases only need around 3:00. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Burger King commercial, or Colonial Penn or the others mentioned above. Occasionally, I’ll see something intriguing and actually skip back and watch the whole commercial. Often a new Progressive or Liberty Biberty commercial will get me to actually watch it. That whole Flo and the gang set of commercials is almost of show unto itself.
 
The deodorant war heated up pretty quickly, sort of like the shaving war. This "whole body" small brand targeted to women came out, and so you have to know that the P&Gs are working on a response, and so now there's a Secret branded entry, and now I see one on that's evidently for dudes.
 
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Quarter Report is out, looks to be the third quarter in a row where they reported a net loss

  • EchoStar reported total revenue of $4.01 billion for the first quarter 2024, compared to $4.39 billion in the year ago quarter.
  • Net loss attributable to EchoStar in the first quarter 2024 was $107.38 million, compared to net income of $253.53 million in the year ago quarter. Diluted loss per share was $0.40, compared to earnings per share of $0.82 in the year ago quarter.
  • Consolidated OIBDA totaled $470.16 million in the first quarter, compared to $701.09 million the year ago quarter. (See OBIDA definition and non-GAAP reconciliation below.)
Net Pay-TV subscribers decreased approximately 348,000 in the first quarter.
Sling lost 135,000 subscribers, DISH TV lost 213,000 subscribers.
Retail Wireless net subscribers decreased by approximately 81,000
Broadband (Hughes) net subscribers decreased by approximately 26,000.

 
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Quarter Report is out, looks to be the third quarter in a row where they reported a net loss

  • EchoStar reported total revenue of $4.01 billion for the first quarter 2024, compared to $4.39 billion in the year ago quarter.
  • Net loss attributable to EchoStar in the first quarter 2024 was $107.38 million, compared to net income of $253.53 million in the year ago quarter. Diluted loss per share was $0.40, compared to earnings per share of $0.82 in the year ago quarter.
  • Consolidated OIBDA totaled $470.16 million in the first quarter, compared to $701.09 million the year ago quarter. (See OBIDA definition and non-GAAP reconciliation below.)
Net Pay-TV subscribers decreased approximately 348,000 in the first quarter.
Sling lost 135,000 subscribers, DISH TV lost 213,000 subscribers.
Retail Wireless net subscribers decreased by approximately 81,000
Broadband (Hughes) net subscribers decreased by approximately 26,000.


Ouch. How is Sling losing subs?
 
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Ouch. How is Sling losing subs?
Sling TV is losing because of many factors. There guide is cluttered and you have to use an antenna to get your ota stations for free. Not all local networks are offered in all areas. Also many people have decided they don't need live TV like satellite and cable provides. You Tube TV is the better of the two interfaces and works reliably. But they are higher in price than SlingTV and offer no way to just sub to a smaller pack. I think Sling TV should use the better DISH interface or something comparable. Color logos would be nice as well and a two week guide would be better. All that clutter of free channels mixed in with the regular channels drives me crazy. Hard to set up a favorites list that you can easily tune to. Sling looks cheap between the other services. People also sub at certain times of the year and cancel at others.
 
The latest commercial that gets me is the one with a black woman in her underwear telling the audience that more than her pits stink. Then at the end they say over the commercial "From your pitts to your ..." then they show the same woman spraying her crotch and you hear spraying sounds.

I hate that one and the one where they show people shaving their pubic areas in their underwear. When I was a kid you couldn't even show women in their underwear and if you did, they would be in a black leotard with the bra and panties on the outside. Now we see it all down to the pubic area being shaved. I think have taken this too far. :rolleyes:
 
Ouch. How is Sling losing subs?
Why is all of Live TV (except YTTV) losing subscribers.

I believe it is because of a pricing and less and less new content issues.

Which I do not really just blame Dish or any other provider for, I blame the content providers for jamming so many channels, many of which provide nothing but reruns, but increase the monthly bill because of so many extra per sub fees for each channel.

Or when they split up channels, like when Fox made FX into three (FXX, FX Movies), when that happened, the per sub fee for FX stayed the same, but then they were getting that fee for two more channels, from where the content was already on FX, also increased the rerun programming on those channels.

I do wish Providers had the foresight to understand what all these extra channels was going to customers and their monthly, but when it was happening, there was no other choice fot programming except OTA, so they chose to ignore, just like they did when cord cutting started.

So now we have today, the rerun programming is available free on services like Pluto, the most popular new content from Paid Live TV, plus the exclusive shows, on streaming services and cord cutting is getting worse because they now have competition in the streaming services.

Can Cable/Satellite save themselves, yes, but must start now, get rid of all those extra channels, lower the bill, like in the YTTV range, tell those who produce the programming that paid Live TV needs more new content, but not the low rated fake reality stuff.

Will it be painful, yes, but is a little pain now better then out of business in 2-3 years?

By the way, Charter/Spectrum kind of did this, dropped some of the extra Disney owned channels, but in the way you expect a cable company to handle that, price did not go down and actually went up in January.

Charter/Spectrum just had their biggest Quarterly lost ever reported.
 
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The latest commercial that gets me is the one with a black woman in her underwear telling the audience that more than her pits stink. Then at the end they say over the commercial "From your pitts to your ..." then they show the same woman spraying her crotch and you hear spraying sounds.

I hate that one and the one where they show people shaving their pubic areas in their underwear. When I was a kid you couldn't even show women in their underwear and if you did, they would be in a black leotard with the bra and panties on the outside. Now we see it all down to the pubic area being shaved. I think have taken this too far. :rolleyes:
American prudishness. Way different in Europe.
 
Other than live sports and news, there is really no need for linear TV anymore for much of America. We've become accustomed to an "on demand world" where anything we want to watch is available when and where we want it: from music to movies/tv. Linear television requires a user to set recordings (basically creating ones own "on demand") or watch it live. And other than live sports or news, NONE of the programs available on HGTV, Hallmark, MTV, Nickelodeon, etc. need to carried on a live, linear channel. I'm still waiting for the first one of those to drop their linear channel and only provide on demand content. I'd assume it'd be one that targets a younger demographic, so likely Nick or MTV.
 
Other than live sports and news, there is really no need for linear TV anymore for much of America.
Except for Football, live sports gets very low ratings and I am always amazed at the Right’s deals they get.

For example, the last World Series averaged only 4 Million Households ( out of 131 Million), that is only a tad more then 3%, yet their last TV contract was in the billions.

The NBA, their ratings each year has been dropping the last 4 years, yet their next TV Contracts will add up to 8 Billion a year.

With News, plenty of options, CBS/NBC/ABC News all offer 24 Hour Live News via streaming, CNN is on MAX.
We've become accustomed to an "on demand world" where anything we want to watch is available when and where we want it: from music to movies/tv.
And that is how younger people were raised and they prefer it that way.

My kids are 34 and 29 this year, never have had a Paid Live TV Service in their homes.
 

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can't create OTA recording when out of home using DA