Turbo, this is pretty much the jest of things, but I'll add to it. This past Saturday my Dish Network ESPN was blacked out, because the local ABC channel was showing a game. I don't know if it was the same game or not? But, the local game was in SD, for why I do not know? ESPN did have an alternate (ESPN A) channel with a game, also in SD on the satellite. I was left without an HD option because of the blackout, which is unfair in my opinion?Don't think you can get it anywhere on big dish, since they decided (at ESPN) that c-banders were insignificant, they stopped selling to VC2 owners/4DTV customers a year or two ago. I think they used the excuse of the descrambler circuitry not being able to handle the stupid blackout rules for some sports..... It's hilarious that you can get it thru Dishnetwork-how secure is THEIR signal? I haven't missed it myself.