Fox Blocks Millions of DISH Customers (1 Viewer)

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Are the DMAs the same for both Direct TV and DISH TV? Is there a link that shows which Sinclair stations are the issue for Direct TV? My neighbor has AT&T U-verse. I might give them a heads up if it effects their DMA.
 

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As soon as I subscribed to Dish, I had the VIP 722. That receiver had a built in OTA module (unlike the module for the VIP 722k, which I still have my module for that). I went to Lowes and bought the same OTA antenna that I still use today. I ran my wiring for Comcast for phone and internet, Dish for television, and OTA to a wall plate with three coaxial cable plugs. That way I got OTA. I mounted the antenna to the side of my roof, next to the chimney.

Back then, I did it to get my locals in HD as I was too cheap to pay for HD programming from Dish. But, after losing my local CBS for a day, then losing my local ABC for a couple weeks, I realized how perfect it was to have the antenna. My wife never complained, because I set the timers to record off the OTA tuner. Problem solved. Never underestimate the power of OTA. It also comes in handy when rain or snow causes service interruptions.
 

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As soon as I subscribed to Dish, I had the VIP 722. That receiver had a built in OTA module (unlike the module for the VIP 722k, which I still have my module for that). I went to Lowes and bought the same OTA antenna that I still use today. I ran my wiring for Comcast for phone and internet, Dish for television, and OTA to a wall plate with three coaxial cable plugs. That way I got OTA. I mounted the antenna to the side of my roof, next to the chimney.

Back then, I did it to get my locals in HD as I was too cheap to pay for HD programming from Dish. But, after losing my local CBS for a day, then losing my local ABC for a couple weeks, I realized how perfect it was to have the antenna. My wife never complained, because I set the timers to record off the OTA tuner. Problem solved. Never underestimate the power of OTA. It also comes in handy when rain or snow causes service interruptions.
Same here. I'd never have satellite service of any kind without OTA to supplement it. I even bought a used AM21 on eBay when I had DirecTV.
 

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As soon as I subscribed to Dish, I had the VIP 722. That receiver had a built in OTA module (unlike the module for the VIP 722k, which I still have my module for that). I went to Lowes and bought the same OTA antenna that I still use today. I ran my wiring for Comcast for phone and internet, Dish for television, and OTA to a wall plate with three coaxial cable plugs. That way I got OTA. I mounted the antenna to the side of my roof, next to the chimney.

Back then, I did it to get my locals in HD as I was too cheap to pay for HD programming from Dish. But, after losing my local CBS for a day, then losing my local ABC for a couple weeks, I realized how perfect it was to have the antenna. My wife never complained, because I set the timers to record off the OTA tuner. Problem solved. Never underestimate the power of OTA. It also comes in handy when rain or snow causes service interruptions.

Damn straight :) I get all my Detroit majors via OTA, especially after Comcast dropped clear QAM of them.
I use Comcast for internet, OTA for locals and Dish for the national cable/satellite networks.
 

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Maybe I got my e-mail in before they got swamped (sent it Thursday night)? Or used the magic combination of words? I did use a lot of their Dish Promise language in hopes of gaining favor ("Fox did this" and some other Fox-blaming, whether I believe it or not haha)
Well..I am glad someone got something they needed! Good for you!
 

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There are reports that Thursday Night Football will be blacked out on NFL Network tonight if a deal with FOX can't be reached. How can they do that? NFLN isn't a FOX channel. SBJ Media: Different Showdown For "Thursday Night Football"
Doesn't make any sense to me. I would think that a game is the property of the NFL and that they (the NFL) can do what they want with it, including showing it on their own network/channel. I personally would tell Fox to go f**k themselves.
 

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Doesn't make any sense to me. I would think that a game is the property of the NFL and that they (the NFL) can do what they want with it, including showing it on their own network/channel. I personally would tell Fox to go f**k themselves.
If the Fox/nfl contract gives the broadcast rights to a particular event(s) to fox, then nfl network can only broadcast that event(s) with permission of fox.

That is how the music industry kept most of the beetles music.

Some bands, later down the road, cannot play their own (older) songs because they 'signed over the rights'.

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Regarding NFL Network: I have never seen a "selective" blackout. That is absolutely ridiculous and should run afoul of some regulation, rule, or law.

Why would any distributor pay for a channel after they have had the main attraction of that channel (less than 20 live games a year) taken away because a totally separate entity told it to.

Clearly, geographic blackouts are the norm and apply to everyone, but I have never saw carrier specific, content, blackouts in my life. If FOX can get away (and succeed) in telling the NFL what to do then we are past the point that this bullcr$p needs resigned in.
 

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Regarding NFL Network: I have never seen a "selective" blackout. That is absolutely ridiculous and should run afoul of some regulation, rule, or law.

Why would any distributor pay for a channel after they have had the main attraction of that channel (less than 20 live games a year) taken away because a totally separate entity told it to.

Clearly, geographic blackouts are the norm and apply to everyone, but I have never saw carrier specific, content, blackouts in my life. If FOX can get away (and succeed) in telling the NFL what to do then we are past the point that this bullcr$p needs resigned in.
Am I reading your statement correctly? Did FOX convince the NFL to blackout Thursday Night Football in the affected markets? That's just wrong, if so. Honestly, the Thursday Night deal should be the same as the Monday Night deal. NFL Network has exclusive coverage of the game, except for the two playing teams' markets. In those markets, allow a local affielate to cover the games.

Don't forget, it's also on prime. When my wife and kids have all tuners in use between PTAT and my kids' shows, I use Prime to watch Thursday Night Football.
 

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Thursday Night Football:
I believe for the first 6 games plus one Thanksgiving game the NFL Network is the "Prime" carrier with Fox purchasing additional broadcast rights. The rest of the games Fox is the "Prime" carrier.

Only one media outlet (SBJ) is reporting the NFL network blackout, all the others I've seen quote SBJ. Has anyone seen an official announcement from Dish or the NFL Network?
 
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Am I reading your statement correctly? Did FOX convince the NFL to blackout Thursday Night Football in the affected markets? That's just wrong, if so. Honestly, the Thursday Night deal should be the same as the Monday Night deal. NFL Network has exclusive coverage of the game, except for the two playing teams' markets. In those markets, allow a local affielate to cover the games.

Don't forget, it's also on prime. When my wife and kids have all tuners in use between PTAT and my kids' shows, I use Prime to watch Thursday Night Football.
I am not sure if FOX had to "convince" the NFL Network since they are the primary rights holder to the game, but the idea that NFL Network would have to blackout a specific distributor at the request of the primary rights holder is absurd.

It doesn't affect ME in terms of watching the game, but it affects all of us in the fact it sets a precedent and new level of dirtiness. My local FOX affiliate is not affected and I also have OTA and Prime Video to boot.

This is one of the nasty effects of capitalism when left unchecked - Greed and unethical behavior. Many people don't want to regulate business but without strong laws and rules, there is nothing left to hold them to account other than consumers who are usually either unable or unwilling to do so. None of these media giants should have been allowed to grow this large and the fact that they could own BOTH the DISTRIBUTION and CONTENT is absurd. Now, consumers suffer.
 

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I am not sure if FOX had to "convince" the NFL Network since they are the primary rights holder to the game, but the idea that NFL Network would have to blackout a specific distributor at the request of the primary rights holder is absurd.

It doesn't affect ME in terms of watching the game, but it affects all of us in the fact it sets a precedent and new level of dirtiness. My local FOX affiliate is not affected and I also have OTA and Prime Video to boot.

This is one of the nasty effects of capitalism when left unchecked - Greed and unethical behavior. Many people don't want to regulate business but without strong laws and rules, there is nothing left to hold them to account other than consumers who are usually either unable or unwilling to do so. None of these media giants should have been allowed to grow this large and the fact that they could own BOTH the DISTRIBUTION and CONTENT is absurd. Now, consumers suffer.
Thanks for the clarification. I totally agree.
 

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