Well I do alot of driving around for my job, I see c band dishes all over this state problem is I never call or the dishes look pretty sad. I happen to drive by this house on my road every day with a 10 foot c band dish which happens to look pretty good...may have still be in use. Well I felt comfortable calling someone in my neighborhood. So I called the guy chatted up with him found out we know some of the same people. Well the story is he stopped using the system about 3 years ago and he used it for nascar, but is getting old and is retired and does not have the money nor time to maintain the system. He has 4dtv receiver, but he wasnt sure of modles or anything, but he said everything was serviced and working last time he used it, basicly a complete system that I can have all of...I'm gonna wait until spring time when its warmer out. Funny though when I was telling the guy what I was up to he said that I almost talked him out of giving me the system, b/c he was half tempted to keep the system. So I'll report back when I find out more.