How long will it take Dish to pull Sky Angel's bandwith

[TalonDancer]

Eastern Arc is intended for the HD service. Also, DISH can just carry the HD version of each local and just have the receiver down-res it to SD if need be to eliminate duplicate channels. They just have to make sure that any receiver intended for Eastern Arc has the ability to receive the MPEG4 8PSK signal.

Hmmm... then I wonder why Dish is up-linking wads of MPEG4 SD Locals onto the spot beams on 61.5??? See this thread for examples.

Talon Dancer

 

[vegassatellite]

Hmmm... then I wonder why Dish is up-linking wads of MPEG4 SD Locals onto the spot beams on 61.5??? See this thread for examples.

Talon Dancer

They have capacity on the spot beams for locals. Perhaps they don't have HD locals deals inked yet for many of the channels they are uplinking. The transition may take place later as those HD channel contracts are negotiated.

 

[TalonDancer]

They have capacity on the spot beams for locals. Perhaps they don't have HD locals deals inked yet for many of the channels they are uplinking. The transition may take place later as those HD channel contracts are negotiated.

Check the up-link lists for locals at 61.5 and you will find both SD & HD MPEG4 Locals for the same DMAs. IIRC, in some cases, both the SD and HD Locals are already available on 110/119. IOW the up-link evidence so far points to Dish providing BOTH SD & HD Locals using MPEG4 for the EA. Of course, most of the SD Locals up-linked to 61.5 are not yet available. So Dish could change/rearrange them at any time

Talon Dancer

 

[TNGTony]

Not too long ago the following SD channels were uplinked to 61.5
ESPN ch 9424 ESPN 140 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
ESPNews ESNWS 142 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
ESPN Classic ESPCL 143 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
ESPN 2 ch 9425 ESPN2 144 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
ESPN U ESPNU 148 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
Cable News Network CNN 200 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
The Weather Channel TWC 214 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)

 

[tnsprin]

Check the up-link lists for locals at 61.5 and you will find both SD & HD MPEG4 Locals for the same DMAs. IIRC, in some cases, both the SD and HD Locals are already available on 110/119. IOW the up-link evidence so far points to Dish providing BOTH SD & HD Locals using MPEG4 for the EA. Of course, most of the SD Locals up-linked to 61.5 are not yet available. So Dish could change/rearrange them at any time

Talon Dancer

I am not sure how accurate that is. They originally labeled five channels as SD versions of NYC channels. Four of them then went online as the HD spotbeam channels (replacing conus hd) and the remaining one is now marked as HD but not available. So perhaps they will not offer the SD version where the HD version is available.

 

[TalonDancer]

I am not sure how accurate that is. They originally labeled five channels as SD versions of NYC channels. Four of them then went online as the HD spotbeam channels (replacing conus hd) and the remaining one is now marked as HD but not available. So perhaps they will not offer the SD version where the HD version is available.

I assume you are referring to..

CHNG  6300  WABC  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE HD MAP 7
  TO  6300  WABC{NEW YORK, NY} MPEG4 HD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE HD MAP 7

CHNG  6301  WCBS  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE HD MAP 2
  TO  6301  WCBS{NEW YORK, NY} MPEG4 HD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE HD MAP 2

CHNG  6302  WNBC  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE HD MAP 4
  TO  6302  WNBC{NEW YORK, NY} MPEG4 HD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE HD MAP 4

CHNG  6303  WNYW  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE HD MAP 5
  TO  6303  WNYW{NEW YORK, NY} MPEG4 HD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE HD MAP 5

which were changed from SD to HD before they were made available on the 24th.

The question is what is going to happen to...

 ADD  7171  WKNO{MEMPHIS, TN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 5 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 10

 ADD  7173  WPXX{MEMPHIS, TN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 5 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 50

 ADD  7269  WCWG{LEXINGTON, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 20

 ADD  7270  WMYV{GREENSBORO, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 48

 ADD  7271  WUNC{CHAPEL HILL, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 26

 ADD  7272  WLXI{GREENSBORO, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 61

 ADD  7297  WUND{EDENTON, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 2

 ADD  7344  WPXT{PORTLAND, ME}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 51

 ADD  7345  WPME{LEWISTON, ME}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 35

 ADD  7346  WCBB{AUGUSTA, ME}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 10

 ADD  7384  WTXX{WATERBURY, CT}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 20

 ADD  7385  WCTX{VIRGINIA BEACH, VA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 59

 ADD  7386  WEDH{HARTFORD, CT}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 24

 ADD  7387  WUVN{HARTFORD, CT}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 18

 ADD  7388  WHCT{HARTFORD, CT}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 38

 ADD  7515  WHTV{JACKSON, MI}  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 14 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 18

 ADD  7516  WKAR{EAST LANSING, MI}  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 14 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 23

 ADD  7629  WNYS{SYRACUSE, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 43

 ADD  7630  WSTQ{SYRACUSE, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 14

 ADD  7631  WCNY{SYRACUSE, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 24

 ADD  7737  WUNM{JACKSONVILLE, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 19

 ADD  7845  WUNU{LUMBERTON, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 31

 ADD  8054  WTTO{HOMEWOOD, AL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 21

 ADD  8055  WABM{BIRMINGHAM, AL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 68

 ADD  8056  WBIQ{BIRMINGHAM, AL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 10

 ADD  8060  WUOA{TUSCALOOSA, AL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 23

 ADD  8074  WDCW{WASHINGTON, DC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 5 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 50

 ADD  8075  WDCA{WASHINGTON, DC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 5 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 20

 ADD  8076  WETA{WASHINGTON, DC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 5 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 26

 ADD  8077  WNVC{FAIRFAX, VA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 5 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 56

 ADD  8080  WFDC{ARLINGTON, VA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 14

 ADD  8081  WHUT{WASHINGTON, DC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 32

 ADD  8082  WVPY{FRONT ROYAL, VA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 42

 ADD  8084  WNVT{GOLDVEIN, VA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 53

 ADD  8085  WJAL{HAGERSTOWN, MD}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 68

 ADD  8086  WHAG{HAGERSTOWN, MD}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 25

 ADD  8105  WWOR{SECAUCUS, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 9

 ADD  8106  WNET{NEWARK, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 13

 ADD  8107  WLNY{RIVERHEAD, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 55

 ADD  8108  WXTV{PATERSON, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 41

 ADD  8109  WNJU{LINDEN, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 47

 ADD  8110  WFTY{SMITHTOWN, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 67

 ADD  8112  WLIW{GARDEN CITY, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 21

 ADD  8113  WNJB{NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 58

 ADD  8114  WNYE{NEW YORK, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 25

 ADD  8115  WMBC{NEWTON, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 63

 ADD  8116  WRNN{KINGSTON, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 62

 ADD  8117  WFME{WEST MILFORD, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 66

 ADD  8118  WNYN{NEW YORK, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 39

 ADD  8154  WPHL{PHILADELPHIA, PA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 17

 ADD  8155  WPSG{PHILADELPHIA, PA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 57

 ADD  8156  WHYY{WILMINGTON, DE}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 12

 ADD  8157  WTVE{READING, PA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 51

 ADD  8158  WUVP{VINELAND, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 65

 ADD  8159  WWSI{ATLANTIC CITY, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 62

 ADD  8161  WNJS{CAMDEN, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 23

 ADD  8162  WYBE{PHILADELPHIA, PA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 13 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 35

 ADD  8164  WFMZ{ALLENTOWN, PA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 13 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 69

 ADD  8447  KITU{BEAUMONT, TX}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 13 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 34

 ADD  8573  WFTC{MINNEAPOLIS, MN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 11 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 23

 ADD  8574  WUCW{MINNEAPOLIS, MN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 11 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 9

 ADD  8576  KTCA{ST. PAUL, MN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 11 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 2

 ADD  8577  KSTC{MINNEAPOLIS, MN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 11 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 45

 ADD  8580  KTCI{ST. PAUL, MN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 11 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 17

 ADD  8583  KAWB{BRAINERD, MN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 11 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 22

 ADD  8654  WMYT{ROCK HILL, SC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 55

 ADD  8655  WJZY{BELMONT, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 46

 ADD  8656  WTVI{CHARLOTTE, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 42

 ADD  8657  WAXN{KANNAPOLIS, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 64

 ADD  8660  WHKY{HICKORY, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 14

 ADD  8661  WNSC{ROCK HILL, SC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 30

 ADD  8662  WUNC{CHAPEL HILL, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 4

 ADD  8694  WTTA{ST. PETERSBURG, FL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 12 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 38

 ADD  8695  WTOG{ST. PETERSBURG, FL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 12 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 44

 ADD  8696  WEDU{TAMPA, FL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 12 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 3

 ADD  8697  WMOR{LAKELAND, FL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 12 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 32

 ADD  8698  WVEA{VENICE, FL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 12 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 62

 ADD  8699  WRMD{TAMPA, FL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 12 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 49

 ADD  8700  WFTT{TAMPA, FL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 12 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 50

 ADD  8701  WUSF{TAMPA, FL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 12 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 16

 ADD  8702  WCLF{CLEARWATER, FL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 12 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 22

 ADD  8703  WXPX{BRADENTON, FL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 12 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 66

 ADD  8754  WLFL{RALEIGH, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 22

 ADD  8755  WRDC{DURHAM, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 28

 ADD  8756  WUNC{CHAPEL HILL, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 4

 ADD  8757  WUVC{FAYETTEVILLE, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 40

 ADD  8991  KNCT{BELTON, TX}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 13 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 46

 ADD  8992  KWBU{WACO, TX}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 13 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 34

 ADD  8993 KXXVD  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 13 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 26

 ADD  9129  WNYO{BUFFALO, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 13 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 49

 ADD  9130  WNGS{SPRINGVILLE, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 13 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 67

 ADD  9131  WNED{BUFFALO, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 13 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 17

 ADD  9133  WNYB{JAMESTOWN, NY}  MPEG4 SD Tp 13 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 26

 ADD  9199  WHIQ{HUNTSVILLE, AL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 25

 ADD  9201  WHDF{FLORENCE, AL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 15

 ADD  9249  WSWB{SCRANTON, PA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 38

 ADD  9251  WVIA{SCRANTON, PA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 44

 ADD  9273  WUFX{VICKSBURG, MS}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 35

 ADD  9275  WRBJ{MAGEE, MS}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 34

 ADD  9276  WMPN{JACKSON, MS}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 19 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 29

 ADD  9334  WIWB{SURING, WI}  MPEG4 SD Tp 13 Spot 14 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 14

 ADD  9335  WACY{APPLETON, WI}  MPEG4 SD Tp 13 Spot 14 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 32

 ADD  9336  WPNE{GREEN BAY, WI}  MPEG4 SD Tp 13 Spot 14 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 38

 ADD  9390  WUPV{ASHLAND, VA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 65

 ADD  9391  WCVE{RICHMOND, VA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 23

 ADD  9392  WCVW{RICHMOND, VA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 1 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 57

and others like these. I guess time will tell.

Talon Dancer