Joey Works Without Coax Cable?

[isaacmorseMI]

I thought that was what the HIC was for? Doesn't it supply ethernet to all the receivers?

It supplys connectivity to all of the recievers over the MoCA coax network.

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[mike123abc]

I thought that was what the HIC was for? Doesn't it supply ethernet to all the receivers?

I think he was meaning you could just connect the joey via coax either by having the coax run over the floor or at the node for it to download then move the joey into place and use ethernet/wifi from there on out rather than having to somehow run coax through the walls to the joey. Essentially for hard to get to rooms with coax.

 

[GaryPen]

So ... you can "get away with" just running RG6 to the Hopper ... have the Hopper connected to your router (WiFi or wired) ... and then throw a wireless adapter on your Joey(s).

For the $20 the USB WiFi adapter costs ... compared to the time and effort to run cable all over the place ... hmmm.


Neat "feature"

Neat feature indeed!

 

[sparc]

Neat feature indeed!

as long as you have a backup plan in case it gets broken in the software.. heh

 

[GaryPen]

The backup plan is the original installation. But, now I can move my Joey around, if needed.

 

[sparc]

The backup plan is the original installation. But, now I can move my Joey around, if needed.

oh totally...but i notice people saying it's a "feature" when it's more like an "unsupported grey area side benefit"

i could see some noob on this forum thinking that it could work this way forever when Dish is only guaranteeing it over coax.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

No a HIC is not required, but Scott has said it is possible that Dish may disable the feature that allows the Joey to work over ethernet.

No what I said was...

I don't think that DISH will work to disable this (on purpose) but it may break with them doing other things.

I think even if it keeps on working it will be an UNSUPPORTED feature.

Just want to make myself clear.

 

[isaacmorseMI]

No what I said was...

Just want to make myself clear.

Sorry. Still recovering from the time zone change.

 

[rocket69]

Sure hope dish wont kill this wifi or wired. Keep it as an extra way but not to rely on it. For most homes usage of this method would be costly and not for every user and a bitch for your every day tech.

Dish should treat this as a "That will never work and it needs to be hooked up the way the tech installed it. " Much like DTV dose with old KA/KU systems using hard wire for MVR. If tech shows up and its like this they will need wire a swm switch and make it right as they have no idea time or gear to fix networking issues.

 

[digiblur]

I doubt they will kill it as they have more important things to do.

 

[John Kotches]

I doubt they will kill it as they have more important things to do.

Not intentionally, but if another change breaks the unsupported feature they are unlikely to make fixing it a priority.



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[Scott Greczkowski]

Not intentionally, but if another change breaks the unsupported feature they are unlikely to make fixing it a priority.

Bingo, this is what I have been trying to say.

 

[theoak]

I think he was meaning you could just connect the joey via coax either by having the coax run over the floor or at the node for it to download then move the joey into place and use ethernet/wifi from there on out rather than having to somehow run coax through the walls to the joey. Essentially for hard to get to rooms with coax.

Ya ... exactly.



Dish <-> RG6 <-> Node <-> RG6 <-> Hopper <-> WiFi Adapter <-> Home WiFi Router <-> WiFi Adapter <-> Joey
...............................................................................................................................<-> WiFi Adapter <-> Joey (Repeat for each Joey)



Hence ... current functionality ... you could "get away" with just the RG6 to the Hopper ... with everything else being wireless.


As stated though ... if Dish ... intentionally or otherwise ... breaks this functionality ... get ready to run RG59 ...

As some have observed ... through the network (versus coax) ... there seems some extra lag for some functionality ... but otherwise ... all functionality seems to not be hampered ... from a Joey perspective.

 

[OV_HDFan]

anyone with a fast enough internet connection try this across the internet through a VPN?

 

[mike123abc]

anyone with a fast enough internet connection try this across the internet through a VPN?

The main problem is that there will be latency, especially if going cross country. If you have 10-20mbit/sec up your video will probably work but the remote would probably seem to act sluggish.

 

[sparc]

you could never rule out the possibility of dish disabling it.... especially for botched installs like this one: Is my Joey defective or am I doing something wrong?

If enough techs do stuff like that, they may ruin it long before anyone here does.

 

[navychop]

PLEASE- if it comes to it, spend a few extra pennies for R-6 rather than RG-59. Just for the future's sake.

 

[Miner]

This unsupported functionality makes the package work for me as I only have coax to fam room and mbr and not where I want the second HDTV. Now if Dish throws in the first Joey for the multi room viewing charge, I might be able to sell the financial manager on the system. Perhaps I'll wait until the s/w is more stable and confirm that the frequent updates don't accidentally break the link.
Miner

 

[jimdandyvi]

Most people trying to run a Joey ( or any streaming video ) across a WiFi network will have problems. You need a consistent 20Mbs connection to deliver HD Video. Even the latest and greatest routers using N radios can't deliver this speed consistently enough for high quality HD video. Go to the Real Help For Your Small Network - SmallNetBuilder and look at the tests they have run. They recommend Ethernet, Ethernet over powerline and only that as a last resort you use a wireless connection for streaming video.

If you still are not convinced that this applies to your LAN go to Totusoft and download the free LAN speed tester. Test the speed on your LAN using your wireless router to make a connection and see what speeds you get moving a file across your LAN. Just because your router is telling you that you have 80 Mbs of bandwidth and the box the router came in said the router was capable of 150, 300 or even 450 Mbs that isn't what you are actually going to get.

 

[dare2be]

Ya ... exactly.



Dish <-> RG6 <-> Node <-> RG6 <-> Hopper <-> WiFi Adapter <-> Home WiFi Router <-> WiFi Adapter <-> Joey
...............................................................................................................................<-> WiFi Adapter <-> Joey (Repeat for each Joey)



Hence ... current functionality ... you could "get away" with just the RG6 to the Hopper ... with everything else being wireless.


As stated though ... if Dish ... intentionally or otherwise ... breaks this functionality ... get ready to run RG59 ...

As some have observed ... through the network (versus coax) ... there seems some extra lag for some functionality ... but otherwise ... all functionality seems to not be hampered ... from a Joey perspective.

Is the comma key broken on your keyboard?