Let's compare...teams.... Lester 38-19, 3.30 ERA and on a better team. Johnson, 29-12, ERA at 2'90 the last two seasons(including this season for both). Hernandez, 36-19, 2.35 ERA On a crappier team than both. I will give you Felix.
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Let's compare...teams.... Lester 38-19, 3.30 ERA and on a better team. Johnson, 29-12, ERA at 2'90 the last two seasons(including this season for both). Hernandez, 36-19, 2.35 ERA On a crappier team than both. I will give you Felix.
You've made some very good points, Johnson has never pitched in a Pennant race, or in the AL for that matter.
That's why I said name 2 better and more consistent not named Halladay....
Lee, Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, King Felix.
I would take these over Johnson at this point, I would also put J. Verlander in the same category, or at least VERY close.
salsadancer7 said:
Lester pitches in a much tougher league and division.
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No it doesn't even out at all....
One pitches where EVERY game matters as they are in a race for the playoffs, while Florida may make the playoffs, but it's not like they are facing the same quality competition daily.
While I like Josh and he's a very good pitcher, IF he pitched in the AL you would know how good he really is.
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The Phillies are just as good or better than anyone in the East and the Braves are not too far behind. Lester does NOT face the supposedly best line up in the East... His own team. So I will say, it does even out.
If you want to define 'Pennant Race' as being ten games out of it in August, please feel free. As Ramy would say...semantics.
I will now state that Johnson has never pitched in the heat of a SEPTEMBER pennant race...or of course anywhere near serious October baseball.
Again...Lincecum, Beckett, Lee, Halladay, etc., have all come through when it mattered most. Johnson doesn't even know what that feels like yet.
Sandra
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SandraC said:If you want to define 'Pennant Race' as being ten games out of it in August, please feel free. As Ramy would say...semantics.
I will now state that Johnson has never pitched in the heat of a SEPTEMBER pennant race...or of course in the playoffs.
Sandra
But why would your greedy little Yankees want such a "unproven" commodity? Because when you are THAT good, you ARE a big game pitcher. True or False?
OK, if Argument 'A' doens't work for you, move it to Argument 'B'. Got it.
Read my posts...I did not say Johnson COULDN'T pitch in a pennant race or the playoffs, just that he HASN'T. And I also used the word YET. I'm sure the Yankees would take their chances with him if given the opportunity.
Actually, I think King Felix is higher on the Yankees radar screen. He's another guy who hasn't pitched in the playoffs who the Yankees would obviously take their chances with. AND...King Felix has done it in the American League.
But when you make a statement that Johnson has pitched in a pennant race because his team was 5-10 games out in August...that's just bizarre. And that's what I challenged.
Sandra
SandraC said:
Wait...the queen of spin...the queen of "stop picking on the only girl that post here"...is suggesting that I go from one argument to another?!
Priceless.....roflmao!
So you are suggesting that if you are within 5 games of a playoff spot in mid August...your out? Ok...if you say so.
Oh my goodness, please stop putting words into my mouth. Please find the post where I said that. You know you I didn't, so you know you can't find it.
Let's try this one more time...I said Johnson has not pitched in the heat of a September pennant race, or in the playoffs. That's what I said, and that's all I said. Anything else is what you add to MY statement.
Sandra
SandraC said:
LMAO!! You said it in your last statement....!!! Amazing...simply amazing.
I will agree...he has never pitched in the playoffs.
OK for the sake of those unfortunate enough to be watching this, I will move on....
And say that I have a feeling Johnson would be a good pitcher in a serious September pennant race. He'd be welcome on my team any time.
I'm not sure if King Felix has pitched in a September pennant race or not, but I definitely have no doubts about him either.
Andy Pettitte will always have a soft spot in my heart, because he came up big when it mattered most. And I have recently seen Cliff Lee do unbelievable things in big spots as well. Roy Halladay has a short sample peried at the moment, but with the Phillies pitching staff he should also get more opportunities to pitch in serious September/October baseball.
Serious September/October baseball is different from the rest of the season. The best pitchers excel at both.
Sandra
And say that I have a feeling Johnson would be a good pitcher in a serious September pennant race. He'd be welcome on my team any time.
I'm not sure if King Felix has pitched in a September pennant race or not, but I definitely have no doubts about him either.
Andy Pettitte will always have a soft spot in my heart, because he came up big when it mattered most. And I have recently seen Cliff Lee do unbelievable things in big spots as well. Roy Halladay has a short sample peried at the moment, but with the Phillies pitching staff he should also get more opportunities to pitch in serious September/October baseball.
Serious September/October baseball is different from the rest of the season. The best pitchers excel at both.
Sandra
Red Sox/ Yankees, 9th inning:
The Yankees hit .400 in the last inning.
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Papelbon (S, 6) 1.0 2 1 1 0 1 0AntAltMike said:
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