well this morning just before 9 the dish guy showed up to install everything. Nine hours later he finished. Unbelievable is all that I can say. That's 3 lnb & 2 reflectors later. I will say, that they sent the 211 instead of the 811 that I had originally ordered. I was very pleased about that. Also the 211 has a dvr built into it that I was unaware of. Does any body have any idea how big the hd is? Also I was told in order to get my ota stations I had to turn off the receive and get them that way. Not through the guide, like d* . Is that true. The picture on my plasma is unreal. It is so much better then it was with d*. Of course with d* I had a sd dvr. I was told that there are no more 811's. All new customers are getting 211's. Anybody have any idea how long it will be before El Paso gets local hd's. Thanks in advance for you help. Chuck