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Station wagons typically offered much more usable space for passengers and cargo as well as better outward visibility. There's a reason that backup cameras are a requirement in modern vehicles. Something that weighs well over two tons should have a lot more room and a much better ride.
Buy a BETTER SUV then ...
 
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Looks like they finally came out with an Oled ....

I'll take the Sony A95K QD OLED
I think you are making the proper choice. Here’s an in-depth comparison between the Samsung S95B and Sony A95K:

If you are gaming, though, the Samsung has lower latency and four full HDMI 2.1 ports.
 
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Going thru my settings, noticed that brightness was totally off, the person who did the calibration was who did it.

Turned it back to 30 ( highest setting), but then had a super washed out picture, since the TV was calibrated with it set at 0.

Decided to just go back to the original settings, once I reset everything, played the last episode of Obi-Wan and now I can see what is going on.

I feel like I wasted all that money getting it calibrated, but I am just going to use the original settings now.
When I bought my Sony, I did a lot of searching for Calibration settings and ended up going with Rtings but tweaked a little to my preferences. Along the way I read an article that said basically, Professional Calibration is not the end-all, your eyes are. Heck, for a while, I even used stock Vibrant for 4K YouTube videos. The images are simply stunning! Vibrant is too much for SDR, though.
The real issue in user preferences is do you want a Natural looking experience or do you want a picture that borders on breathtaking!
 
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When I bought my Sony, I did a lot of searching for Calibration settings and ended up going with Rtings but tweaked a little to my preferences. Along the way I read an article that said basically, Professional Calibration is not the end-all, your eyes are. Heck, for a while, I even used stock Vibrant for 4K YouTube videos. The images are simply stunning! Vibrant is too much for SDR, though.
The real issue in user preferences is do you want a Natural looking experience or do you want a picture that borders on breathtaking!
Been reading about Professional Calibrations and how the techs seem to want the picture darker because they believe it is the most accurate image.

I want bright and detailed, I believe great black levels makes a better picture but it should not be at the expense of the rest of the image, it was so murky before I redid the settings.
 
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When I bought my Sony, I did a lot of searching for Calibration settings and ended up going with Rtings but tweaked a little to my preferences. Along the way I read an article that said basically, Professional Calibration is not the end-all, your eyes are. Heck, for a while, I even used stock Vibrant for 4K YouTube videos. The images are simply stunning! Vibrant is too much for SDR, though.
The real issue in user preferences is do you want a Natural looking experience or do you want a picture that borders on breathtaking!
I vote for Natural ...
 
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feel like I wasted all that money getting it calibrated, but I am just going to use the original settings now.
If the calibration isn't done on all inputs, it isn't done. A modern calibration requires passes at both SDR and HDR settings.
 
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Been reading about Professional Calibrations and how the techs seem to want the picture darker because they believe it is the most accurate image.
The idea behind calibration is that it is supposed to be instrumented and not subject to the whim of the technician.

Of course a calibration is also supposed to take the room lighting into consideration (also instrumented) and changing that parameter necessarily throws off the calibration.
 
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Been reading about Professional Calibrations and how the techs seem to want the picture darker because they believe it is the most accurate image.

I want bright and detailed, I believe great black levels makes a better picture but it should not be at the expense of the rest of the image, it was so murky before I redid the settings.
After posting this, went back to check out TVs, Magnolia’s ( Best Buy) had the new Sony Z9K mini-LED in 75” right next to the Sony A90J OLED, I sat down, asked for the remotes and messed with them, I even told them to turn all the lights on in there to get it as close as possible to my living room.

Just no contest, the Z9K is just so much better, colors, highlights with DV content, black levels and of course brightness

I went to the salesperson, said I wanted to order the 85”, said he could not, not in their system yet to be able to sell, just a placeholder in the computer, I said ok, gave him the remotes back and he goes whatever in a rude tone.

And some wonder why people prefer to shop online.

Went home, got on the Rain Forest’s site, preorder is up for July 18 release….ordered, OLED will go in the game room and the 85” TCL 7 Series in there now will go to my daughter’s.
 
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After posting this, went back to check out TVs, Magnolia’s ( Best Buy) had the new Sony Z9K mini-LED in 75” right next to the Sony A90J OLED, I sat down, asked for the remotes and messed with them, I even told them to turn all the lights on in there to get it as close as possible to my living room.

Just no contest, the Z9K is just so much better, colors, highlights with DV content, black levels and of course brightness

I went to the salesperson, said I wanted to order the 85”, said he could not, not in their system yet to be able to sell, just a placeholder in the computer, I said ok, gave him the remotes back and he goes whatever in a rude tone.

And some wonder why people prefer to shop online.

Went home, got on the Rain Forest’s site, preorder is up for July 18 release….ordered, OLED will go in the game room and the 85” TCL 7 Series in there now will go to my daughter’s.
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After posting this, went back to check out TVs, Magnolia’s ( Best Buy) had the new Sony Z9K mini-LED in 75” right next to the Sony A90J OLED, I sat down, asked for the remotes and messed with them, I even told them to turn all the lights on in there to get it as close as possible to my living room.

Just no contest, the Z9K is just so much better, colors, highlights with DV content, black levels and of course brightness

I went to the salesperson, said I wanted to order the 85”, said he could not, not in their system yet to be able to sell, just a placeholder in the computer, I said ok, gave him the remotes back and he goes whatever in a rude tone.

And some wonder why people prefer to shop online.

Went home, got on the Rain Forest’s site, preorder is up for July 18 release….ordered, OLED will go in the game room and the 85” TCL 7 Series in there now will go to my daughter’s.
Thats why you go to the local High End place, not Best Buy ...
I could Never get the type of info that I wanted from a Best Buy.
 
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They are a bit more expensive than BB.
Here's another very good High End place to shop ...

A bit more expensive than Best Buy, but you get what you pay for ...
Who's gonna answer your questions, that 16 year old kid at Best Buy or a guy thats had 20+ years in the business ?

Btw, they also have a Best Buy line as well for those that want that area of price point.
 
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Thats why you go to the local High End place, not Best Buy ...
I could Never get the type of info that I wanted from a Best Buy.
Magnolia’s is where the High End TVs are, for example the 4K Sony X95K is out in the regular Best Buy area while the Master Series like the A90J and the 8K Z9K are in the Magnolia’s section.

Ended up getting it from Value Electronics in New York, they were able to get it to me 2 weeks quicker then Amazon.

When I lived in Michigan, there were a bunch of High-End Home Theater Stores, all within 30 min of my house ( lived real close to I-275).

Now here in Central Florida, none, just a bunch of install places, there a few in Tampa area ( a hour and half from me) and a bunch in Miami ( 2 hours), now I just read advice from AVS and order online.
 
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A bit more expensive than Best Buy, but you get what you pay for ...
Who's gonna answer your questions, that 16 year old kid at Best Buy or a guy thats had 20+ years in the business ?
I asked no questions, I just wanted to see what the TV looked like.
 
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Magnolia’s is where the High End TVs are, for example the 4K Sony X95K is out in the regular Best Buy area while the Master Series like the A90J and the 8K Z9K are in the Magnolia’s section.

Ended up getting it from Value Electronics in New York, they were able to get it to me 2 weeks quicker then Amazon.

When I lived in Michigan, there were a bunch of High-End Home Theater Stores, all within 30 min of my house ( lived real close to I-275).

Now here in Central Florida, none, just a bunch of install places, there a few in Tampa area ( a hour and half from me) and a bunch in Miami ( 2 hours), now I just read advice from AVS and order online.
I stopped by the local Best Buy last week and they had the A95k on display at the Magnolia location but took 2 weeks to get ... the other BB, non Magnolia will never get it here.

Talked to my local High End place and could have had it the same day, had I had time ...
I got one from Jamieson's yesterday.

So Bruce, did you get the Z9 ?
 
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I do not view my hearing, and audio discrimination, as all that good. I went to our late great high end shop and they showed me how I could distinguish the difference in speakers. I bought them.

Online ordering- not so useful.
 
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Here is an excerpt from an article that was published in April 2022. I still feel that a high end LCD TV will outlast the more expensive OLED sets. And in a brightly lit room the differences are minimized.

Note: Basically, The lifespan of an OLED TV depends on how it is used and how it is treated by its owner. The best way to prolong the life of an OLED TV is to avoid exposing it to extreme temperatures, high humidity, or direct sunlight as these factors can damage the display panel irreversibly.

How Long Do OLED TVs Last?

OLED is designed to last decades, although the organic material used to create light in the display degrades over time, just like the filament in a lightbulb.

There are many reasons why people prefer OLED TVs over other types of TVs. But, how long does an OLED TV last on average usage?

You’ve probably heard that OLED TVs have a lifespan of around 30,000 hours, but what does that mean?

Sony says that the chances are likely to only be around 10% in the first 10 years of use, according to CNET.

That’s pretty reassuring. Here’s another way to think about it, if you watched TV for eight hours a day, every day, for 10 years straight, it would still last more than three years after your marathon TV-watching session.

Now coming to another question, What causes OLED panels to last longer and what affects their longevity.

Mainly the way how OLED functions, the lasting period depends on that, so to make it more clear for you, let me explain why OLED TVs last long and how you can increase their life span as well.

Displays made of OLEDs are capable of long-term functionality. This is because OLED pixels generate light themselves, reducing the number of components required within an OLED display such as backlights and color filters.

The only parts that need to be replaced on a proper time interval of a few years are quite small, replaceable parts such as OLED emitters, TFT drivers, and glass covers covering the OLED screens.

So to conclude the longevity of OLED displays, OLED display panels can last tens of thousands of hours before degradation becomes so bad that you need to replace the panel.

Can an OLED TV Display break easily compared to other TVs?

Now that we’ve gone over the lifespan of an OLED TV, let’s look at how tough it is compared to other TVs.

As you might wonder, can an OLED TV display shatter if knocked over?

This is a question that many people ask themselves when they are purchasing an OLED TV. OLED TVs are expensive, so it’s understandable that people would want to know if they can be damaged easily.

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I’m going, to be honest with you, this is a tough question to answer. OLED TV displays in general are much more sensitive than their other counterparts. If the display was knocked over, there is a chance that the screen could shatter.

Nevertheless, if impact is directly placed on the display, then the OLED screen’s fragility is significantly less than that of a LED TV. The two things which could happen are either that the OLED screen would break or it would develop a dead pixel.

What does that mean, are OLED TVs more fragile?

There is no doubt that OLED TV screens are prone to be more fragile than older TVs and other alternatives such as LED TVs. OLED screens are thin and can’t withstand even minor impacts.

This is where most people get frustrated and report dead pixels.

As I was researching the lifespan, fragility, and longevity of OLED TVs, I came across a few videos that showed tests being put on OLED panels to determine their durability and impact resistance.
 
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