Programming AI (or A1?)

[GreatFTA]

Oooookay.....
I am stomped guys. I have been trying to get A1 by soft reset. No luck so far. Stargaze suggest to unplug my 922 while on W5 and plug it back and leave alone for a little while.
Tried that three times. Nothing.
Can't do it on G1-3 since it won't map it in from there.
I must be missing something on doing this.
TVROPRO suggested a MR but I am holding off on that at this point.
I have done soft reset before but not from a different satellite like W5.
Like G1-3 it seems that there's a TP on W5 that maps the 922.
Is there something on the 922 settings I need to change before attempting this again?
As soon the 922 goes thru the warm up and clock reset, do I turn on the receiver right then for the remapping? (while still on W5).
I will do a MR but if I can do this thru soft reset that I want to do. If I do a MR should I start it on W5' or G1?
Thanks in advance.

 

[tvropro]

Don't worry about AI today. When Skyvision is ready they will give your the info how to map it. To sub on the Comcast EMM you will have to do a MR on W5 as per Mike Kohl Friday night.

 

[TMair]

ONce you do the MR wont that limit our ability to receive what ever channels might be ITCin the future? (not on W5)
Terry

 

[eurosport]

Don't worry about AI today. When Skyvision is ready they will give your the info how to map it. To sub on the Comcast EMM you will have to do a MR on W5 as per Mike Kohl Friday night.

Correct.
I believe the AI icon was only sent during the testing the other day.
Those of us that were on W5 during the test got it, and the others will have to wait.

 

[GreatFTA]

Good. Thanks for letting me know. I just wait to hear from Skyvision and go from there.
I am excited!!!

 

[tvropro]

Correct.
I believe the AI icon was only sent during the testing the other day.
Those of us that were on W5 during the test got it, and the others will have to wait.

That's what I think too. I got it, the thing is will it stay if I allow my 4D to get the guide on G1 now?

 

[brex2001]

I did a MR on an old 920 the same day as the testing but just missed loading AI icon as it just had ended. The count had already reached the 1920 number so it needed resetting. The sats that had been there were mostly east coast.

Loading the guide on G1 has made no difference in the AI icon in my 922 nor affected the guide info that gets loaded for AI.
I show no DMX music channels in the guide but they are there just the same.

 

[tvropro]

I made a mistake and left my 4D on G1 last night it got the guide and Hit and AI is still there and works. Motorola just isn't sending it out right now until there ready to roll out the 4D--W5 project. So all the trying right now won't get it. If you have it it should stay there unless you do a MR.

 

[migold]

I have a subscription to SyFy and TCM on W5, but seldom watch them. My 922 updates nightly on G1. I found AI in my list, and it has stayed. I did nothing at all to get AI there. On AI, I found my subs to SyFy and TCM, but on different channel numbers than on W5.

 

[stargaze]

ONce you do the MR wont that limit our ability to receive what ever channels might be ITCin the future? (not on W5)
Terry

Good question.
IMO, I do not see why Motorola will spend any $$$ to have anyone continue working on the channel maps so I guess the answer in the long run is yes it will affect it.
Also one needs to remember that with all the different changes as with programmers moving to different satellites or using a different frequency,
6 years+ down the line the generic satellites may be worthless anyway.

It is time to find a decent, satellite dish moving, receiver that you can program in yourself the correct satellite names and then get a good FTA DVB receiver and a commercial DCII receiver and slave it to your master receiver to find the FTA signals out there.

 

[TMair]

Good question.
IMO, I do not see why Motorola will spend any $$$ to have anyone continue working on the channel maps so I guess the answer in the long run is yes it will affect it.
Also one needs to remember that with all the different changes as with programmers moving to different satellites or using a different frequency,
6 years+ down the line the generic satellites may be worthless anyway.

It is time to find a decent, satellite dish moving, receiver that you can program in yourself the correct satellite names and then get a good FTA DVB receiver and a commercial DCII receiver and slave it to your master receiver to find the FTA signals out there.

I have been looking at a different device to move my dish is need be, so that is not a problem, I do have two DVB boxes which I use, and love by the way, I do need to get the commercisl receiver, there was one on EBay that I was looking at some time ago but let it go, wish I would have grabbed it now, but I would like to be able to still watch the ITC channels on the 4Dtv, and those that pop up once in a wile there too.
Terry

 

[lonewolf454]

We should be able to continue to use the 4dtv ird as a somewhat handicapped fta box, if we update generics as needed with new SR's and freqs for TP's. Same goes for generics. Of course this will require a bdm interface and proper software. Hopefully 4play will be updated, with ability to look for usb ports, not just lpt like 4play and bd32 was in past.

 

[stargaze]

We should be able to continue to use the 4dtv ird as a somewhat handicapped fta box, if we update generics as needed with new SR's and freqs for TP's. Same goes for generics. Of course this will require a bdm interface and proper software. Hopefully 4play will be updated, with ability to look for usb ports, not just lpt like 4play and bd32 was in past.

Your failing to see the whole picture. The generics may not be in the receiver if you do a master reset to receive the W5 programming. Then with several programmers going to Mega-pipe the 4dtv is useless for those. A commercial receiver would be best for all the FTA DCII signals and don't forget everything is not in DCII you have DVB so you need another receiver. The bud is going back to the true hobbyist once again.

 

[ikki]

I would love to be able to use a commercial receiver and pay HITS directly, or who ever to get some of the other combo mode programming. The real problem as I see it is that no one wants to sell me one channel on a commercial receiver. This is not a technical limitation, it is a political limitation.

 

[truckracer]

I doubt consumer 4DTV would be much good for anything when the streams are discontinued. There may not be many standard dc II feeds left with the move to megapipe and dvb s2. It was like back when we all held on to our old vc2 modules to catch some zero key analog stuff-but it disappeared fast.

I just hope they allow us to get w5.
I really don't think I would miss the generics very much. I have Sirius radio not to mention the various dvb music services. I only used generics for certain things.

 

[tvropro]

I would miss the generics. They can be great at times. I would for go subbing on W5 if I can keep my generics. I get most of my programming on Direct now anyway. What I still sub to is mirrored on Direct and I'm stuck with that damn contract now.

 

[tvropro]

I would love to be able to use a commercial receiver and pay HITS directly, or who ever to get some of the other combo mode programming. The real problem as I see it is that no one wants to sell me one channel on a commercial receiver. This is not a technical limitation, it is a political limitation.

Unless you can convince them your at least an MDU and pay them some tall bucks for the sub. I doubt you can go the commercial route. It is all politics, but they don't care. They have us where they wanted us to be for years and they won't give that up again.

 

[TMair]

I doubt consumer 4DTV would be much good for anything when the streams are discontinued. There may not be many standard dc II feeds left with the move to megapipe and dvb s2. It was like back when we all held on to our old vc2 modules to catch some zero key analog stuff-but it disappeared fast.

I just hope they allow us to get w5.
I really don't think I would miss the generics very much. I have Sirius radio not to mention the various dvb music services. I only used generics for certain things.

And thats the problem, it's kind of a catch 22, if we do an MR to receive the W5 stuff from Concast we loose the ability to use the 4Dtv as an FTA receiver, and who knows how long those feeds will be around, who knows what will be ITC once January 1 comes along, every thing could go ITC once the broadcasters think no one (or very few) can receive them, or they all may go Megapipe, or DVB once there is no one left to buy them, if you do do an MR then you are tied into the package prices for the shrinking programming, if SRL can offer the packages they have now like the pick 10 package, and if they can get more programming available then the MR and switch to W5 would be a great deal, I am going to wait and see, I already own the receiver, so no new investment, if it goes away then so be it, if it gets better then great for us, I doubt that if we don't do the switch to W5 by January you will not be able to do it, you should be able to do the switch any time after that date, so I think I will just wait and see what SRL offers, and maybe see what happens to general DCII after January 1.
Terry

 

[lonewolf454]

Your failing to see the whole picture. The generics may not be in the receiver if you do a master reset to receive the W5 programming. Then with several programmers going to Mega-pipe the 4dtv is useless for those. A commercial receiver would be best for all the FTA DCII signals and don't forget everything is not in DCII you have DVB so you need another receiver. The bud is going back to the true hobbyist once again.

I probably am failing to see whole picture, but...

What I am trying to state is if we do a backup of the maps, we should be able to load them back in at a later date if needed. Of course this will require hardware and working software.

I am aware that a large portion of programming is in dvb now, which is what I use my Azbox for, lots of fta all the time, though there is a leaning curve to it.

 

[tvropro]

I think If we can communicate to the receiver like stargaze said through the RS 232 connector that could be great. I think we need to look into that option.