gbjbany said:So maybe I'm the only brave person out here to admit it. But I want quantity but with quality programming. i want something i will pay for. I also have let Dish now as I just cancelled Voom because the quality was so low (in terms of programming - repeats don't do it for me, and Kung fu ???? What's all that about), NOT because it's not HD full rez.
I also am someone, that spent less than $2k on my 42 inch plasma HD equipment, so the full rez issue is less important to me.
As a counter point. 7 years ago, I spent, more than than 2k on a 36" Sony regular TV, so i think you have to factor in the people now having access without spending 3K+. HD lite is good enough for me. Now you can all have a shot at me![]()
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But I thought this forum was represented at CES as preferring Quantity over Quality to Dish execs!!!Sean Mota said:So far 1 out of 5 people will prefer Quantity (HD LITE) over Quality (Full Resolution).
I know this will ruffle the feathers of the "Quality" purists (a group that I usually consider myself to be a proud member of), but the current state of Quality on Dish is acceptable to me so I chose Quantity. To my eye, there's a night and day difference between SD and HD (Lite) programming on my BenQ projector via my 942. I know that if I were to do an A/B test between HD-Lite and Full Res HD I'd probably see a difference, but given the choice of this poll, it's worth it to me to have more variety.bhenge said:Just FYI that I voted for quality. I just wanted to state what we all really want with HD not what we have to accept. Once you draw a line in the sand and say, "Ok, I will accept this", you weaken your voice. If there are 30 HD channels available out there, I want the ability (choice) to have all 30 and all in full-rez. If it takes a year or two to get the bandwidth necessary, fine, but the pressure to get there should never stop.
klen said:This was an issue going back to the VOOM days. Sure, quality is great, and it is why we bought our sets. But at what point do you get bored with repetition that fewer channels would show? Why not combine some of the Voom channels, and just have less repetition?
Here are your choices:
6 channels with true HD and tons of repetitive programming or
15 channels of HDlite with a much better variety of programming.
If they opted for the 6 channel plan, then everyone would bitch about lack of variety. Truth is, people are more willing to bitch about something than they are to appreciate the good in some things.
With more channels, they are trying to appeal to the mass market that doesn't know what true HD is.
The videophiles are the minority in this world- just not here and on AVS.
It is similar to when you could get "Original master recordings" of albums and cds. Very few people appreciated how much better it was, so it was always just a novelty. You could eat a steak at Ruth Chris's Steak House and it would be a killer expensive meal, but most other people can eat a steak at Outback and still think that it was a fantastic meal at a decent price.
There are anologys all over the place. You want tons of true HD? Start up your own company, and send up your own birds. Oops. I forgot. Voom already tried that, and even with their super cheap monthly rates, they only got 50,000 people to understand what they were doing, and they folded in 15 months after burning a BILLION dollars.
Variety is the selling point- at least for now. Hopefully, they will tout "new and improved picture" down the road.
Thanks for your polite and intelligent response.Sarang said:Jeez did you even READ my post in the "HD Vs. HD-Lite" forum where I made the point you were full of s**t when you bitched about VOOM since they offered about the same amount of HD that Dish offers currently. You kidding me about the 15 channels?! When VOOM was around people were bitching about the repetitiveness on those 21 channels so explain to me WHERE the f**k you're coming from?! More channels doesn't neccesarily mean more variety or if it does not neccessarily worthwhile programming. WE comes to mind, Nick...toons as another one.
Here's my list of worthwhile s**t for HD that I won't stand under HD-Lite and might give you some stuff you could actually stomach: TCM-HD, IFC-HD, MBC-HD, SBS-HD, KBS-HD, BBC America-HD, FHD, all six EXTRA HD movie channels, Animania HD supplemented with HD Anime at night provided by TV Tokyo, think "Adult Swim" with SAP as well and the rest of the day separate, VOOM channels compressed more CONTENTwise or almost no more loops on the existing one's.
Of course we didn't! We paid it to watch Mischievous Meerkats 10 times a week in glorious 1920 x 1080i! Personally I paid all that money, plus the monthly programming fee and 811 lease fee so I could wathc the same Chicago, Fleetwood Mac and Genesis concerts over and over again--on a program I could have received for free OAR on PBS-HD. And those awesome claymation special effects that half the movies on Monsters HD look so much better in 1920 x 1080i. I can watch the same group of people bungee jumping off of the same bridge, the same guy climbing the same mountain, and the same crappy art gallery I've been watching for the past YEAR. Because QUALITY HD is simply a resolution thing!Mark_AR said:We didn't spend $2,000-$10,000 to watch fuzzy downgraded images lacking deatil and definition.
We pay for *HIGH DEFINITION*, we should not get Mediocre Defintion.
If that is the case I should wheel my hdtv out in the yard and plant flowers in it.
FIREBIRD81 said:Of course we didn't! We paid it to watch Mischievous Meerkats 10 times a week in glorious 1920 x 1080i! Personally I paid all that money, plus the monthly programming fee and 811 lease fee so I could wathc the same Chicago, Fleetwood Mac and Genesis concerts over and over again--on a program I could have received for free OAR on PBS-HD. And those awesome claymation special effects that half the movies on Monsters HD look so much better in 1920 x 1080i. I can watch the same group of people bungee jumping off of the same bridge, the same guy climbing the same mountain, and the same crappy art gallery I've been watching for the past YEAR. Because QUALITY HD is simply a resolution thing!
Really, from everything I've seen, we are talking about VOOM, as HDNET and all of the regular HD tier channels are still being broadcast in the same resolutions with no apparent plan to reduce them. I certainly understand and agree wholeheartedly that full resolution is superior to hd-lite, but the more pressing issue for VOOM right now isn't resolution-----it's content. I just watched the first new show I've seen on RushHD last night in nearly a year. VOOM is certainly stepping up plans to offer new content, but so far I haven't seen ANY plan from VOOM that updates content enough to maintain 10 channels, much less 15 or the 21 some people around here are screaming about. Let VOOM concentrate on making itself a compelling alternative to HD NET or DiscoveryHD Theater and then I will wholeheartdly jump on any bandwagon that demands full resolution. Until then--I don't really give a rat's ass WHAT resolution VOOM is in.