This summer / Fall I will be changing my dish farm by adding additional dishes, purchasing a new receiver (SatHawk PVR800 HD), adding multiple LNB's onto stationary dishes and a whole lot more. I will be posting my updates within this thread
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Update JUL 03 2010
Today I cleared the area for the new 8' (240cm) stationary dish, leveled 4' x 4' wooden frame, added rebar, rebar chairs and conduit for coax and poured the concrete. As you can see in the last photo I should have worn older shoes.
Concrete pad is 4' x 4' and 6" deep. Used 12 80lb bags of concrete mix.
Tomorrow while the cement cures I will begin assembling the dish and enjoying the Fourth of July holiday with my family.
Today I cleared the area for the new 8' (240cm) stationary dish, leveled 4' x 4' wooden frame, added rebar, rebar chairs and conduit for coax and poured the concrete. As you can see in the last photo I should have worn older shoes.
Concrete pad is 4' x 4' and 6" deep. Used 12 80lb bags of concrete mix.Tomorrow while the cement cures I will begin assembling the dish and enjoying the Fourth of July holiday with my family.
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Ok guys I have a question. It has now been 24 hours since I finished the concrete pad. How long should I wait before attempting to install the base of the dish using the supplied concrete anchors? I'm thinking at least 48 hours, but even then I don't know if it is too soon. The last thing I want to do is install the concrete anchors and have the concrete crack.
Also, the dish instructions don't mention what size drill bit to use to install the anchors. Does anyone else have this 240cm dish from WS International and if so, what size drill bit did you use?
Also, the dish instructions don't mention what size drill bit to use to install the anchors. Does anyone else have this 240cm dish from WS International and if so, what size drill bit did you use?
Thank you for the document. I'll wait three days and continue to spray the top with water at least two times a day.
I used J bolts to fasten the mount down, rather than drilling in anchors.
The only challenge I see is the depth of freezing and frost heaves. The floor of my big shed has heaved over 2 inches along the South East side. Rebar and wire mesh did not keep it from heaving and cracking. My C-band dish pulled up from frost heaves and wind with the post down over 36 inches!
The only challenge I see is the depth of freezing and frost heaves. The floor of my big shed has heaved over 2 inches along the South East side. Rebar and wire mesh did not keep it from heaving and cracking. My C-band dish pulled up from frost heaves and wind with the post down over 36 inches!
Are you saying that the entire post and dish pulled out of the concrete? WOW
Did you use rebar through the post to help prevent it from turning or pulling out?
sure did! the whole thing came up and out, the top of the concrete was about 8 inches below the ground and it is now about 2 inches above. then the wind got it leaning over about 25° and rotated the whole mess about 60°. When I get the backhoe in to put in the septic system, I will dig down so I can have at least 5 or 6 feet of pipe buried. I will probably prime the hole with BIG rocks and then fill the rest with concrete - from the ready-mix truck! The wind at 6 pm was 30.2 MPH just a stiff breeze.
HELP!!!
Tonight after work I was planning on getting the dish installed onto the mount. This unfortunately didn't happen due to problems that came up.
Steps completed tonight:
I then got the satellite dish base out of the garage and placed onto the concrete pad. Once centered I marked where the brackets would go and began drilling holes for the concrete anchors. This is when I ran into trouble. The six anchors that came with the dish didn't list what size drill bit to use, so I used a 3/8" drill bit that I often used for installing Redhead anchors. Once the anchor was placed into the concrete the top of the screw got flat from hammering, so the nut wouldn't turn. Then the entire screw began turning and it was too loose.
I then went to Lowes and purchased 6 Redhead 3" concrete anchors that used a 3/8" drill bit. When I arrived home I noticed that they wouldn't fit within the hole on the brackets. I decided to use them anyway and installed one into a hole, but had the same problem with the entire screw turning. After supper I ripped both anchors out causing even larger holes.
I can now 1) patch the holes and move brackets to begin over or 2) use existing holes using a different anchor. Right now I am disappointed and trying to calm down after a bad night.
Any other solutions? Could something else be used besides concrete anchors to hold down the base? The dish will be stationary for the most part, but I would from time to time like to move it to various satellites and perform experiments. I'm even thinking about using concrete blocks like Tron used.
Tonight after work I was planning on getting the dish installed onto the mount. This unfortunately didn't happen due to problems that came up.
Steps completed tonight:
- Removed 2x4 framing around concrete pad.
- Added soil around pad and packed firmly.
I then got the satellite dish base out of the garage and placed onto the concrete pad. Once centered I marked where the brackets would go and began drilling holes for the concrete anchors. This is when I ran into trouble. The six anchors that came with the dish didn't list what size drill bit to use, so I used a 3/8" drill bit that I often used for installing Redhead anchors. Once the anchor was placed into the concrete the top of the screw got flat from hammering, so the nut wouldn't turn. Then the entire screw began turning and it was too loose.
I then went to Lowes and purchased 6 Redhead 3" concrete anchors that used a 3/8" drill bit. When I arrived home I noticed that they wouldn't fit within the hole on the brackets. I decided to use them anyway and installed one into a hole, but had the same problem with the entire screw turning. After supper I ripped both anchors out causing even larger holes.
I can now 1) patch the holes and move brackets to begin over or 2) use existing holes using a different anchor. Right now I am disappointed and trying to calm down after a bad night.
Any other solutions? Could something else be used besides concrete anchors to hold down the base? The dish will be stationary for the most part, but I would from time to time like to move it to various satellites and perform experiments. I'm even thinking about using concrete blocks like Tron used.
Perhaps I should use Lag Shield Concrete Anchors along with lag bolts for securing the satellite dish mount brackets.
This way I can easily loosen or remove the lag bolts when turning the dish into another location.
This way I can easily loosen or remove the lag bolts when turning the dish into another location.
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I did not realize you were going to drill in anchors etc. To drill true holes you need cured concrete - probably best 3 weeks setup. That is ONE of the reasons code says "J-bolts" at least 6 inches long (including 1 1/2" of threads above the concrete) 4 1/2 inches into the concrete, usually tied to the rebar or wire mesh. At this point, let it cure awhile and use the expoxy method possibly using 6" carriage bolts, heads buried.
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We use'd homemade J bolts, just a bolt with a short piece of rebar welded to the head, and wired them to the rebar before poring the cement. I can think of only one for sure "will work" for you, toggle bolts. But I think a 1/4 bolt(toggle) takes a 9/16 hole.
I would check with a local concrete company or contractor and see what they recommend. We had concrete poured a couple of years ago for a grain structure and the next day they drilled and anchored the thing down. Another resource for me is that there are a couple of local "industrial maintenance" companies and every time we have a problem they have some kind of new tool, fasteners or dudda-mah-jigg to get the job done! 
After thinking about it even if the anchors worked perfectly last night they probably wouldn't of been the best solution, because I would like to be able to loosen them once in awhile to move the dish to various satellites if needed. I believe concrete anchors are made to only tighten and continuous loosening and tightening would tend to make them lose their grip.
Tonight I'm going to try using the female concrete anchors along with lag bolts. I believe this will allow me to loosen and re tighten them from time to time.
My next idea is to build and secure a pressure treated wooden base onto the concrete pad using concrete anchors which should hold good because once tightened they will never be loosened. Then place the satellite base onto the wooden platform and secure using the brackets and lag bolts into the pressure treated platform.
Tonight I'm going to try using the female concrete anchors along with lag bolts. I believe this will allow me to loosen and re tighten them from time to time.
My next idea is to build and secure a pressure treated wooden base onto the concrete pad using concrete anchors which should hold good because once tightened they will never be loosened. Then place the satellite base onto the wooden platform and secure using the brackets and lag bolts into the pressure treated platform.
This is turning into a nightmare and I now wish I never purchased this stupid sit 'n spin satellite dish. I should of purchased a real dish like you could buy in the 80's that mounted onto a pole.
Has anyone ever secured their 6' or 8' sit 'n spin dish using the supplied concrete anchors? If so, I don't know how it is possible because once it is secured you could never remove the nut in order to adjust the dish to another satellite.
Tonight I purchased 6 new concrete anchors. This time I went with sleeve anchors rather than wedge anchors. I had better success, but the entire bolt still turned and the nut always got ruined once the anchor was hammered in.
I am now going to look into plan "D" which is to build a pressure treated base.
Has anyone ever secured their 6' or 8' sit 'n spin dish using the supplied concrete anchors? If so, I don't know how it is possible because once it is secured you could never remove the nut in order to adjust the dish to another satellite.
Tonight I purchased 6 new concrete anchors. This time I went with sleeve anchors rather than wedge anchors. I had better success, but the entire bolt still turned and the nut always got ruined once the anchor was hammered in.
I am now going to look into plan "D" which is to build a pressure treated base.
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