keep drinking the koolaid guys,even though im a directv subscriber(and was many years ago,before HD when I paid 2 bills,one to USSB for the movie channels and it had no peer and their sd pq kicked butt) this is my last post in the directv forums.btw jailbird I didnt and dont call anyone names,not even yankee fans.but in your defense I did experience the stuttering briefly on locals a few months back,but cleared up.sorry if I offended anyone.this site has been the main contributor to my decisions,others as well.it helps no one to make one sided judgements.the dish forums seem to be more about real life experiences than blind brand loyalty.