The future of cable may be no TV at all

No, it is not.I did a VPN into my workplace and configured my 0.0.0.0 traffic to go through the VPN tunnel and none of my ads changed. Just to put a nail in the coffin of your argument, I confirmed that the Internet IP address that I was identified as having was my workplace firewall IP address and not my home firewall IP address. I would also point out that where Google maps defaulted to on my VPN connection was 50 miles away because the IP address is geolocated there (work is 9 airline miles from me but still 50 miles from its geolocation). IP addresses are pretty much useless outside of geolocation purposes and they aren't always very good at that.

If IP addresses were the key, everyone in the house (or my office campus) would see the same ads because we all share a common IP address but that's not the case. IPv6 doesn't change any of that (yet).

If I log in to Netflix or Amazon Prime, I'm presented with my watch list because Netflix and Amazon Prime associate those lists with my login, not my IP address. If I browse the Internet from different computers/devices I get different ads because each computer/device has a different set of cookies.

You should test your theories before you proclaim them as irrefutable evidence.

If you don't think cookies have any influence on your web experience, try firing up a browser that you don't use, clear all of its cookies and set out on an entirely new view of the web.
Do you know what a roku or fire stick is?... sounds like you only know how to stream from a desk top

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Do you know what a roku or fire stick is?
I have and use both (though I use the Roku a lot more). Using either doesn't seem to impact my web browsing experience.
sounds like you only know how to stream from a desk top
No, but since viewer-targeted ads aren't a thing with Roku (other than e-mails with suggestions from the streaming services themselves), I wonder how you figure that I can learn that I'm being tracked by Comcast.

Remind me again how any of what you said supports your contention that one's broadband provider can gather and sell marketing information about you.
 
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I have and use both (though I use the Roku a lot more). Using either doesn't seem to impact my web browsing experience.No, but since viewer-targeted ads aren't a thing with Roku (other than e-mails with suggestions from the streaming services themselves), I wonder how you figure that I can learn that I'm being tracked by Comcast.

Remind me again how any of what you said supports your contention that one's broadband provider can gather and sell marketing information about you.
Maybe you should take some time and experiment with a firetv and a VPN...you might be amazed at what you can do..Not all VPNs are the same...you want one that can fool netflix.. meaning you don't get a Netflix error saying stream cant play because you are using a VPN

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Maybe you should take some time and experiment with a firetv and a VPN...you might be amazed at what you can do..
What does this have to do with my broadband provider making money selling marketing information about me?

I claim that they can't track my viewing habits now and adding VPN (or any other form of obfuscation) to the picture isn't going to reduce that.

VPN has two applications:
  • data privacy where encryption isn't already in play
  • to lie about where you're located.
Data privacy is already handled by HTTPS so the rest is just a lie about your geolocation and that's something that isn't really marketable whether or not it is accurate. From the marketing perspective, VPN only foils those who are paying to advertise their products to people living in the area of your Internet IP address. With VPN you'll see general (as opposed to targeted) advertising aimed at the geolocation of your VPN service. In the end, what you're streaming still isn't known whether you use VPN or not.

Any tracking of your personal traffic is handled through cookies.
 
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What does this have to do with my broadband provider making money selling marketing information about me?

I claim that they can't track my viewing habits now and adding VPN (or any other form of obfuscation) to the picture isn't going to reduce that.

VPN has two applications:
  • data privacy where encryption isn't already in play
  • to lie about where you're located.
Data privacy is already handled by HTTPS so the rest is just a lie about your geolocation and that's something that isn't really marketable whether or not it is accurate. From the marketing perspective, VPN only foils those who are paying to advertise their products to people living in the area of your Internet IP address. With VPN you'll see general (as opposed to targeted) advertising aimed at the geolocation of your VPN service. In the end, what you're streaming still isn't known whether you use VPN or not.

Any tracking of your personal traffic is handled through cookies.
Here ya go

ISPs can now collect and sell your data: What to know about Internet privacy rules

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I get a kind of funny result clicking the link posted above. At least, I think it's funny.

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The article notes that the ISPs will not use this capability. It suggests that the ISPs would have to set up a "man-in-the-middle" situation as I suggested earlier.

Later in the article it introduces Google and Facebook under the larger class of "companies" and they aren't ISPs -- a trick you've tried more than once.

The article doesn't really support the argument you're trying to make.
 
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I get a kind of funny result clicking the link posted above. At least, I think it's funny.
This is a result of an advertising device used here at Satellite Guys called Viglink. It can be very intrusive.

The link that appears when you hover is where you want to go, but the actual link is to:
Code:
https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_155231490383531&key=75e6a59ec8cc421e360c4b7d2e7e5937&libId=jt4ffu3n010004jw000DA170zl380bp5rg&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.satelliteguys.us%2Fxen%2Fthreads%2Fthe-future-of-cable-may-be-no-tv-at-all.381129%2F%23post-4344551&v=1&opt=true&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Ftech%2Fnews%2F2017%2F04%2F04%2Fisps-can-now-collect-and-sell-your-data-what-know-internet-privacy%2F100015356%2F&title=The%20future%20of%20cable%20may%20be%20no%20TV%20at%20all%20%7C%20SatelliteGuys.US&txt=ISPs%20can%20now%20collect%20and%20sell%20your%20data%3A%20What%20to%20know%20about%20Internet%20privacy%20rules

In quite a few instances, the links don't work.
 
The article notes that the ISPs will not use this capability. It suggests that the ISPs would have to set up a "man-in-the-middle" situation as I suggested earlier.

Later in the article it introduces Google and Facebook under the larger class of "companies" and they aren't ISPs -- a trick you've tried more than once.

The article doesn't really support the argument you're trying to make.
They control the router you connect to...I " hope" you understand they can see your browsing history from there..if they know your ip address

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They control the router you connect to...I " hope" you understand they can see your browsing history from there..if they know your ip address
Your ISP probably doen't control the router in your home. Any metrics they need usually come from the modem.

Most everything between your computer/device and the destination on the Internet is kept private by HTTPS. You can't monitor to contents of the packets from your router unless you're using specialized proxy software on the router. Sure, the router knows where you're going to in terms of IP addresses but it doesn't have any idea what you're doing there and that's the key to blowing up your argument.
 
Your ISP probably doen't control the router in your home. Any metrics they need usually come from the modem.

Most everything between your computer/device and the destination on the Internet is kept private by HTTPS. You can't monitor to contents of the packets from your router unless you're using specialized proxy software on the router. Sure, the router knows where you're going to in terms of IP addresses but it doesn't have any idea what you're doing there and that's the key to blowing up your argument.
Not about your home...the "gateway " router that all their customers routers connect to

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They control the router you connect to...I " hope" you understand they can see your browsing history from there..if they know your ip address

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They only know the DNS queries you make, not the content you watch within a streaming app or encrypted website...aside from http URLs. They might get the odd https URL, but modern browsers should setup the SSL/TLS negotiation before making material URL requests.

I know AT&T scapes as much as they can from my use of my home Internet connection, but it is mostly DNS queries from what I know as there are so many ways to encode URLs that it becomes impossible to be able to interpret all of them and not cost efficient to spend the CPU time to figure out what trillions of URLs a day actually translate to, at least not yet.
 
They only know the DNS queries you make, not the content you watch within a streaming app or encrypted website...aside from http URLs. They might get the odd https URL, but modern browsers should setup the SSL/TLS negotiation before making material URL requests.

I know AT&T scapes as much as they can from my use of my home Internet connection, but it is mostly DNS queries from what I know as there are so many ways to encode URLs that it becomes impossible to be able to interpret all of them and not cost efficient to spend the CPU time to figure out what trillions of URLs a day actually translate to, at least not yet.
I use a VPN to avoid that
 
These are spiders/robots for website crawling. They don't monitor anyone's web traffic.

These are the people you would hire to find out if your private information or intellectual property (copyrighted text or music for example) appears somewhere on the Internet.
You still don't understand...with 5g nobody cares what website you view...the focus is on using the web versus surfing the web..you will have dozens of devices that will stream data content acriss the web...it could be a refrigerator that orders food or requests maintenance...the ISP will be able to identify how many streams you have and where they are going...once they know what products you like and use ( with data mining) they will sell that info to advertisers who will send targeted ads to your smart tv that only you can see

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You still don't understand...with 5g nobody cares what website you view...the focus is on using the web versus surfing the web..you will have dozens of devices that will stream data content acriss the web...it could be a refrigerator that orders food or requests maintenance...the ISP will be able to identify how many streams you have and where they are going...once they know what products you like and use ( with data mining) they will sell that info to advertisers who will send targeted ads to your smart tv that only you can see

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That is what "they" want to do, for sure. I will resist every effort of "theirs" to do so. I am more likely to go completely off the grid than have constant ads shoveled into my eyeballs.
 
You still don't understand..
It is you that clearly isn't getting it.

Nobody is going to be surprised if your refrigerator phones home to its manufacturer and they figure out who you are from your warranty registration. Using this information, they can know that the refrigerator is plugged in and maybe if you've changed your address since you filled out the warranty card. That's like your broadband provider learning who your broadband provider is. Knowing where you shop has maybe the same value to advertisers as knowing what your shoe size is. 5g, LTE, DSL, fiber or satellite broadband has absolutely nothing to do with it.

If you use an app on your refrigerator (or your phone or your computer or your tablet) to order food or beverages, that information will be seen only by the app provider as they encrypt the important information including the URLs themselves.

Since you've apparently chosen to ignore where this all started, this is about how your ISP is going to gather valuable information about what TV programming you're watching in a third-party streaming model. Your TV doesn't know because it isn't providing you the menu of programming (except maybe for OTA) so it can't rat you out behind your back. Your streaming device can know that you're visiting Hulu or Netflix but it doesn't know what you're watching as it is only rendering a menu sent to it by the streaming provider using software deployed by the streaming provider.

Show how these devices, however they're connected, can gather marketable information about what you watch on TV and you'll have accomplished something.
 
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