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harshness

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3.0 may make a difference.
Given that some of your translators just managed to convert to DTV not too long ago, Next Gen could be a ways off (or perhaps a flash cut with the mother ship) depending on how the translator does its thing.

Something we haven't really discussed much is whether many of the translators will have to repack or whether the fact that most of them are out in East Jesus will spare them the trouble.
 

Ypsiguy

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C'mon FCC, just let the stations broadcast their subchannels in MPEG4 AVC H.264, just like the DBS folks.

It would be way less expensive and the boxes that can decode it are a dime a dozen on ebay. A 720p MPEG2 ATSC 1.0 main channel with a ton of MPEG4 subchannels would be MORE than enough for the viewing public.
 

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Repack? Certainly. More cell service for East Jesus.


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harshness

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What if I live in West Jesus?
Check out the differences between Buda and Pest in Hungary (combined, they comprise the country's capitol) and you may get some insight. Additional insights may be gained from comparing London's East End to the West End or East LA to the rest of LA.

Technically, only East Jesus is defined as evidenced by its Wikipedia entry. If you search for West Jesus, it "doesn't exist".
 

harshness

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Er, is it not already permitted?
Do additions and revisions to the ATSC standards (such as the addition of AVC in 2008) get adopted by reference (without action) from the FCC?

If required, did the FCC take such action?

The question then becomes what percentage of the installed base of DTV capable TVs, converters and DVRs support it. My wild guess is that nobody bothered implementing AVC in DTV tuners so whether or not it is permitted is inconsequential.
 

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Some number of them support it. WBFF in Baltimore is running Stadium in AVC and all of my TVs support it, though all of mine are Samsung. I don't have a good sense of how many out in the wild support it.

- Trip
 

Ypsiguy

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Some number of them support it. WBFF in Baltimore is running Stadium in AVC and all of my TVs support it, though all of mine are Samsung. I don't have a good sense of how many out in the wild support it.

- Trip
Just about all of the newer DTV converters support it. Heck, my ViewTV AT-163 even DVR's in it. The DVR files are MPEG4 AVC. The converter box was about $35.

I suspect most smart tvs will decode it. WBFF made a good move. If more stations follow WBFF's lead, then they will resist ATSC 3.0 even more.
 
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harshness

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Just about all of the newer DTV converters support it.
The question is whether the percentage of TVs and STBs support AVC is high enough to bail on those that don't.

The most recent crop of DTV STBs double as media players so their support for AVC is a no-brainer.

I just surveyed several recordings (made with an HDHomerun Duo using Plex) from my local stations and all of them are MPEG2 (including Stadium on my ABC station, KATU).

If all of your OTA recordings are showing up as AVC, I suspect you need a better media identification software.
 

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Here's one, WBXZ out of Buffalo, broadcasts 12 480i channels. Depending on brand of TV set and screen size it can look awful bad.
When tropo is ideal we can view it in the Toronto area or not!
 
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If more stations follow WBFF's lead, then they will resist ATSC 3.0 even more.
WBFF is owned by Sinclair - one of the main supporters of ATSC 3.0.
Sinclair Is Upgrading 90 TV Stations for ATSC 3.0 Next Gen OTA TV - Cord Cutters News
Sinclair announces nationwide ATSC 3.0 deployment after FCC OK
Sinclair announces 40 U.S. cities getting ATSC 3.0 by 2020
Broadcasters including Sinclair, Nexstar, Fox Television Stations and NBCUniversal along with industry consortiums including SpectrumCo and Pearl TV announced 40 U.S. markets that will be getting ATSC 3.0 by the end of 2020. Those markets include Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas; Houston, Texas; San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, California; Phoenix, Arizona; Seattle-Tacoma, Washington; Detroit, Michigan; Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne, Florida; Portland, Oregon; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina; Baltimore, Maryland; Nashville, Tennessee; Salt Lake City, Utah; and San Antonio, Texas.
 

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The problem with ATSC 3.0 right now is not very many people will see it, since the equipment needed to watch ATSC 3.0 broadcasts is not yet available, and very few stations are experimenting with the new standard. That will change, however...
 

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The problem with ATSC 3.0 right now is not very many people will see it, since the equipment needed to watch ATSC 3.0 broadcasts is not yet available, and very few stations are experimenting with the new standard. That will change, however...
Yes, stations want the ATSC 3.0 since it is the next "big" thing but until consumers see the advantage of it they won't buy. The Feds had to step in during the digital transition to get consumers to switch. Here is a chart of what some stations are planning.
charter-atsc3-2.png
 

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I rescanned near Hagerstown MD and “25” now comes in. Poorly.


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Contacted my local ABC affiliate (WFTS Tampa Bay) to ask when they would be changing the frequency as it is the one station I can't receive reliably, hoping the new frequency will come in better since I'm real close on the signal meters...
"Thank you for reaching out to the WFTS Support Team!

I just spoke to our engineer and the rescan date is currently set for January 16th, 2020 at 10:00 am. We will be placing some information on the website and live broadcasts to notify viewers once that time is a little bit closer. We appreciate you sending in a note and please let us know if you need any further assistance!"

So if anyone is wondering, that's the date for the change in Tampa Bay :)
 

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My understanding is that date applies to most Phase 7 stations in Florida. But great info, thanks for posting!

- Trip
 

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