Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 2nd Quarter 2025 Edition

[Bruce]

Verizon Fios is up first, a loss of 66,000, 8,000 increase from 1st Quarter.

Charter is up Friday, Comcast a week from Tomorrow.

Verizon beats Wall Street expectations during Q2, despite shedding customers

Verizon beat Wall Street expectations during Q2, but continues to see pressure from rival telecoms, including fixed wireless broadband solutions.

thedesk.net

 

[Bruce]

Nothing to do with TV, but the 5G services just reported an over 900,000 gain, which would translate to more losses for Cable Providers.

I also recently left Charter for fiber, just two days ago.

AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile Add 932,000 5G Home Internet Customers in Just 3 Months as Comcast & Spectrum Feel The Cord-Cutting 2.0 Pain | Cord Cutters News

In a seismic shift for the U.S. telecommunications AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile collectively added 932,000 5G Home Internet subscribers in the second quarter of 2025, capitalizing on the growing trend of “Cord-Cutting 2.0.” This surge underscores the increasing consumer preference for wireless...

cordcuttersnews.com

 

[Bruce]

Charter/Spectrum lost 80,000 TV Subscribers, much better number than last quarter.

But also lost 117,000 broadband customers.

Spectrum Lost 117,000 Internet Customers & 80,000 TV Customers in Just 3 Months | Cord Cutters News

Charter Communications, operating under the Spectrum brand, reported a loss of 117,000 Internet customers and 80,000 TV customers in the second quarter of 2025, reflecting ongoing challenges in the broadband and video sectors. As of June 30, 2025, Charter served 29.9 million Internet customers...

cordcuttersnews.com

 

[savarese04]

the company saw robust growth in its mobile segment, adding 500,000 mobile lines, bringing the total to 10.9 million. This comes as Spectrum has been offering a free wireless line to new customers for a year

Can't wait to see how many mobile subs they retain once these free lines start expiring

 

[Bruce]

Comcast lost another 325,000 TV subscribers.

Along with 226,000 Broadband customers.

What that shows is, since the 5G Services ( all 3 combined) gained a little under a million, Comcast/Charter is not just losing subscribers, but all of the new subscribers ( first time home owners for one example) are picking the new alternatives instead.

On the TV side, no real change, people are still leaving, more and more realize all the new content is elsewhere, not on traditional Paid Live TV.

Total TV Subscribers Lost so far in the 2nd Quarter with just three companies reporting -467,000

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/31/comcast-cmcsa-earnings-q2-2025.html

 

[AZ.]

Comcast lost another 325,000 TV subscribers.

Along with 226,000 Broadband customers.

What that shows is, since the 5G Services ( all 3 combined) gained a little under a million, Comcast/Charter is not just losing subscribers, but all of the new subscribers ( first time home owners for one example) are picking the new alternatives instead.

On the TV side, no real change, people are still leaving, more and more realize all the new content is elsewhere, not on traditional Paid Live TV.

Total TV Subscribers Lost so far in the 2nd Quarter with just three companies reporting -467,000

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/31/comcast-cmcsa-earnings-q2-2025.html

Can you tell if they are leaving because of price? 5G is very reasonable compared to the prices I see people paying for cable internet

 

[b4pjoe]

Comcast lost another 325,000 TV subscribers.

Along with 226,000 Broadband customers.

What that shows is, since the 5G Services ( all 3 combined) gained a little under a million, Comcast/Charter is not just losing subscribers, but all of the new subscribers ( first time home owners for one example) are picking the new alternatives instead.

On the TV side, no real change, people are still leaving, more and more realize all the new content is elsewhere, not on traditional Paid Live TV.

Total TV Subscribers Lost so far in the 2nd Quarter with just three companies reporting -467,000

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/31/comcast-cmcsa-earnings-q2-2025.html

And they just keeping shooting their self in the foot.

Comcast confirms Marquee Sports Network move to premium tier

 

[Bruce]

Can you tell if they are leaving because of price? 5G is very reasonable compared to the prices I see people paying for cable internet

Considering what I view, both from 5G and Fiber, yes, I would assume it is pricing, along with the better service (Fiber of course).

Along with both Comcast/Charter treating their customers like absolute ****, which causes even more to leave.

My story is an example of that, about 2 years ago, Charter/Spectrum started to offer better pricing nationwide, said all current customers were eligible, I called up, said I was not eligible.

Now, Fiber became available in my neighborhood, immediately switch, all of a sudden, now we will give you the better price, yes, it was about $10 less than what I am paying for Fiber, but since they refused 2 years ago, there is no way I would switch back to them, their actions ruined that.

 

[Bruce]

Considering what I view, both from 5G and Fiber, yes, I would assume it is pricing, along with the better service (Fiber of course).

Along with both Comcast/Charter treating their customers like absolute ****, which causes even more to leave.

My story is an example of that, about 2 years ago, Charter/Spectrum started to offer better pricing nationwide, said all current customers were eligible, I called up, said I was not eligible.

Now, Fiber became available in my neighborhood, immediately switch, all of a sudden, now we will give you the better price, yes, it was about $10 less than what I am paying for Fiber, but since they refused 2 years ago, there is no way I would switch back to them, their actions ruined that.

Speaking of this, Charter just called be again this morning, new offer of $50 a month for gigabit.

 

[Bruce]

EchoStar Corporation, the parent company of DISH Network and Sling TV, reported a staggering loss of 290,000 pay-TV subscribers in the second quarter of 2025, marking a significant escalation in the company's ongoing struggle to retain customers in a rapidly evolving media landscape.

Total lost this quarter so far-757,000

Sling TV and DISH Lose 290,000 TV Customers in Q2 2025 | Cord Cutters News

EchoStar Corporation, the parent company of DISH Network and Sling TV, reported a staggering loss of 290,000 pay-TV subscribers in the second quarter of 2025, marking a significant escalation in the company’s ongoing struggle to retain customers in a rapidly evolving media landscape. This...

cordcuttersnews.com

 

[zippyfrog]

EchoStar Corporation, the parent company of DISH Network and Sling TV, reported a staggering loss of 290,000 pay-TV subscribers in the second quarter of 2025, marking a significant escalation in the company's ongoing struggle to retain customers in a rapidly evolving media landscape.

Total lost this quarter-757,000

Sling TV and DISH Lose 290,000 TV Customers in Q2 2025 | Cord Cutters News

EchoStar Corporation, the parent company of DISH Network and Sling TV, reported a staggering loss of 290,000 pay-TV subscribers in the second quarter of 2025, marking a significant escalation in the company’s ongoing struggle to retain customers in a rapidly evolving media landscape. This...

cordcuttersnews.com

Wow! I was thinking they would lose in the range of 100,000 to 150,000 - I never thought it would be 290,000 in one quarter...

 

[MikeD-C05]

Wow! I was thinking they would lose in the range of 100,000 to 150,000 - I never thought it would be 290,000 in one quarter...

14 million sat subs in 2012 to around 6 million in 2025. That's over 8 million subs in 13 years. But yet DISH has done nothing to bring down costs on the satellite side. DISH Fees are still there and still high. Directv is using Streaming as the answer to their lack of new satellites and using genre packs + free apps like Disney, Hulu and Max for $35.00 total. Beats pricing on Sling TV and gives you 3 free apps for the same price as the genre pack. DISH is not competing at all on this.

I think there needs to be a redesign with Sling and DISH. Merge the two companies into one interface and offer streaming DISH with Sling tv prices and packs and try to get those same deals like free apps along with your programming. You use DISH interface and menus and channel lineups and add the SLING TV Freeview channels.

Then people if they sub to it could escape the fees for additional receivers and use the $5.00 dvr fee and for the cloud dvr fee. Even Directv offers like unlimited streams now with their service now and 3 away from home. DISH is still stuck at 3 with the Hopper and 2 with the Hopper with Sling. Have no idea if they work away from home.

DISH also has the advantage with Local channels for those who want them. Sling TV does not offer full locals in all dmas. Offer them in a pack by themselves and let them be offered whether they have any other service or not and the ability to DVR them for the same $5.00 dvr fee.

But doing nothing hasn't worked and we see them losing over 1 million subs between the 2 companies and we are only 7 months in to the year. So it is really accelerating in lost subs. At this rate I don't see them lasting to 2030. We need something because the very definition of insanity is doing nothing and expecting a different outcome.

 

[dishdude]

14 million sat subs in 2012 to around 6 million in 2025. That's over 8 million subs in 13 years. But yet DISH has done nothing to bring down costs on the satellite side. DISH Fees are still there and still high. Directv is using Streaming as the answer to their lack of new satellites and using genre packs + free apps like Disney, Hulu and Max for $35.00 total. Beats pricing on Sling TV and gives you 3 free apps for the same price as the genre pack. DISH is not competing at all on this.

I think there needs to be a redesign with Sling and DISH. Merge the two companies into one interface and offer streaming DISH with Sling tv prices and packs and try to get those same deals like free apps along with your programming. You use DISH interface and menus and channel lineups and add the SLING TV Freeview channels.

Then people if they sub to it could escape the fees for additional receivers and use the $5.00 dvr fee and for the cloud dvr fee. Even Directv offers like unlimited streams now with their service now and 3 away from home. DISH is still stuck at 3 with the Hopper and 2 with the Hopper with Sling. Have no idea if they work away from home.

DISH also has the advantage with Local channels for those who want them. Sling TV does not offer full locals in all dmas. Offer them in a pack by themselves and let them be offered whether they have any other service or not and the ability to DVR them for the same $5.00 dvr fee.

But doing nothing hasn't worked and we see them losing over 1 million subs between the 2 companies and we are only 7 months in to the year. So it is really accelerating in lost subs. At this rate I don't see them lasting to 2030. We need something because the very definition of insanity is doing nothing and expecting a different outcome.

The entire industry needed to slim down years ago and they might have held off the hemorrhaging a bit longer but no, we still have 4 ESPNs, 3 FXs, 4 MTVs and bogus fees. Even the locals got greedy with the retrans fees and now it's come back to bite them harder than it would have if they just kept things reasonable.

 

[AZ.]

we still have 4 ESPNs, 3 FXs, 4 MTVs and bogus fees. Even the locals got greedy with the retrans fees and now it's come back to bite them harder than it would have if they just kept things reasonable.

I will assume that all those ESPNs and others were forced on them from the providers to justify raising prices?
As for the retrans fees, this is what happens when you have 5 companies controlling thousands of stations in hundreds of cities.
Call it what you may? Monopolies?Oligopoly? I prefer antitrust, as its been decades since any mergers were stopped!

 

[zippyfrog]

14 million sat subs in 2012 to around 6 million in 2025. That's over 8 million subs in 13 years. But yet DISH has done nothing to bring down costs on the satellite side. DISH Fees are still there and still high. We need something because the very definition of insanity is doing nothing and expecting a different outcome.

I agree with you 100%. From the price side of things, Dish was on the right track when they had the Flex Pack under $40 - now it is almost $70. The Welcome Pack was $19.99 for the longest time, now it is $61.99. The Smart Pack was $29.99 for many years, now it is $65.99. And even Dish America, once again, just a lot of the HD channels was $39.99 now it is $82.99. Granted, those last 3 are grandfathered packages and you can't get them anymore, but it goes to show how much they increased. The fees...there are so many fees just to bring in more money...part of the reason I kept my owned VIP211k instead of going to the Hopper and the extra fees.

 

[navychop]

Complain to the content providers.