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RT-Cat

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Now that this fiasco is completed, I have decided to advise all why my signature warns everyone not to shop at shop4fta. It all started about 5 months ago when I purchased an S9 radio from them. It did not take too long to get it from California to Michigan because they used priority mail for shipping. Installed the radio and all I would get with power on was nothing. Unit would only display “on.” After I E-mailed them with the problem, it took 5 days for an answer. “We ship quality units and it should work.” Another Email and another four days wait. This time an answer with instructions on loading software they sent. I could not install because I could not even get radio to run. I tried with the RS-232 cable and same problem. Another E-mail to them and another 5 days delay. Again, from them, another file to try. Still have the same problem. Just can not get through their thick skulls this radio is DOA. Another E-mail to them this radio is dead and needs to be replaced. Seven days delay and I E-mailed them as to what was the delay? Three days later I received an E-mail to return the unit for replacement. Two and a half weeks later, I get an E-mail they sent out a new radio. Five days later the “new” radio arrives. It sat at my house about a week before I had time to check it out. I installed the same file and channels I have on my other (E-bay brand) S9 radio. I could get nothing with this unit! After much checking with what was wrong, I found that it has voltage out to the LNB’s but no current. There is just not enough “juice” to power the LNB’s! When I powered the LNB’s with my 920, the S9 worked fine. I E-mailed shop4fta the problem with this radio. Seven days later, they said to return it. Fifteen days later an E-mail from them stating the radio worked fine. They also stated that it was not the radio they sent me, different serial numbers! Oh, for crying out loud, what next from these people? I advised them I do not have a stash of old, dead radios I send back to companies! This WAS what they sent me and it does not work. Nine days later, and THIS BEATS ALL!, they stated if I sent them $25.00 they would fix the radio. A radio THEY said a few days before worked OK!!! I wanted to tell them to Kiss M.A., but just said to return the dead unit they sold me. They wanted postage and I gave it to them. A dead radio I paid for is better than nothing. Five days later the unit arrived. I checked it out and it works if you power the LNB’s from somewhere else.
So with this company full if complete idiots and imbeciles, I thought I should continue to advise ALL that the best thing they could do is: NEVER shop at Shop4FTA!!!

 

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Sounds like so many of the people giving my profession a bad name-- idiots and imbeciles!

Been an IT consultant for over 15 years, but there are so many "COMPUTER GENIUSES" out there now. All they ever do is FORMAT computers and re-install windows. Since Vista-Win7, it is so EASY now (drivers, lol). really miss the days when you had to load mscdex drivers to get the CD-ROM to work. weren't so many geniuses back then........

thanks for the warning!!! do most shopping with SATAV and Brian has always gone above and beyond!
 

Tron

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MSCDEX.... Wow, its been a long time since I've heard that reference!

Every so often I open a command prompt in Windows (NOT the same thing as true MS-DOS, although it works in a similar fashion) just because I know commands in DOS that can do more in a shorter time than similar operations under Windows.
 

RT-Cat

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MSCDEX.... Wow, its been a long time since I've heard that reference!......
Another Wow. I remember those days. You really had to be "up" on things to get "stuff" to work. I have to admit though, I do like to plug something in and have it "work' without all that old work(getting lazy).

RT.
 

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Sounds like so many of the people giving my profession a bad name-- idiots and imbeciles!

Been an IT consultant for over 15 years, but there are so many "COMPUTER GENIUSES" out there now. All they ever do is FORMAT computers and re-install windows. Since Vista-Win7, it is so EASY now (drivers, lol). really miss the days when you had to load mscdex drivers to get the CD-ROM to work. weren't so many geniuses back then........

thanks for the warning!!! do most shopping with SATAV and Brian has always gone above and beyond!

Even back then there were people like that, I saw this guy one time, not sure why he did this but I guess he thought the boot procedure didn't take enough time or look important enough so he put "dir" in the startup file about 20 times... That was back with win 3.11. Asked him why he did that he said, oh, it does that when it starts up it is checking the hard drive for faults. WOW! Computer geniuses have always been around. Just back then people didn't know they were full of it haha.
 

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When you work with a low volume tight margin operation you can't expect the same level of service as a big box retailer. In today's China controlled tech world it's the American reseller who is taking it in the backside on bad products. So one bad receiver has to be recovered by the sale of 4 or 5 more units. Most of these ebay operations would be lucky to yield minimum wage equivalents. From my experience many sellers are just one man operations in an apartment or a housewives filling orders during the day while the kids are at school.
 

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Thanks for the warning. Yes I have been wondering why they made you so mad from seeing your signature.

Yes and I agree there have always been the so called computer geniuses even back years ago, however now there are just more of them.;)
 

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MSCDEX.... Wow, its been a long time since I've heard that reference!

Did you have ever have the fun of working with punch cards machines as I still have a box left of the cards they used and use them to keep notes on as they fit just right in one's shirt pocket.
 

Tron

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Did you have ever have the fun of working with punch cards machines as I still have a box left of the cards they used and use them to keep notes on as they fit just right in one's shirt pocket.

Not quite, but I had an old teletype machine that used punch tape! :)
 

RT-Cat

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That's why I avoid fleabay and buy from one of our sponsors...seriously I've never had an issue with dealing with them....
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Sounds like a very good idea to me.
Actually the one from the (censored)tards at Shop4fta was from their web site. The one I have that works great was a fleabay unit. It even had a so-called clone ID. But that changed with a file upgrade to an ID that was "listed" as valid. Go figure.
 

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Not quite, but I had an old teletype machine that used punch tape! :)

Never did like working on those units as most of the units I helped service were in a military top security areas and was always a really big deal when they were down and it seemed like someone was always looking over your shoulder and always had to have someone with you.
 

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RT-Cat, I'm a little confused. Several times you mention a "S9 radio." Do you mean an Openbox S9 receiver? The "radio" part keeps throwing me off.
 

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RT-Cat, I'm a little confused. Several times you mention a "S9 radio." Do you mean an Openbox S9 receiver? The "radio" part keeps throwing me off.

Yeap same here unless its a shortwave radio lol

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The trouble I had with Shop4FTA involved an S10 as you might of read on one of my posts.. Which eventually thanks to BBB those guys were able to fix my Openbox S10 in 2 weeks time. And btw I just checked my S10 and its not a clone. In fact I loaded some european fw that supposely kills clones and mine is working fine for a week.
So looks like shop4fta sells both clone and originals at the same price.

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And btw I just checked my S10 and its not a clone. In fact I loaded some european fw that supposely kills clones and mine is working fine for a week.

The anti-clone firmware does not kill hardware. It was supposed to target STBs that are not operating with specific "authorized" boot loader files and/or memory block allocations and disable them. This was done to protect their market and investment R&D in firmware development enabling card sharing and forms of theft of service using only their "Authorized" STBs. The myriad of manufacturers and coders using the same hardware designs quickly wised up and defeated the effort by creating an identical bootloaders and memory allocation.

A manufacturer may request ALI to provide a custom burn of a ROM confirmation code to limit the loading of unauthorized or incompatible firmware, but to my knowledge the Openbox hardware was never protected with this customization. So the short of it is that their is no way of actually knowing if you own an "Authentic" Openbox. Even if you bought from an Openbox dealer, where are they buying their stock from?

If it works, then it must be real...... :rolleyes: LOL!!!
 

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The anti-clone firmware does not kill hardware. It was supposed to target STBs that are not operating with specific "authorized" boot loader files and/or memory block allocations and disable them. This was done to protect their market and investment R&D in firmware development enabling card sharing and forms of theft of service using only their "Authorized" STBs. The myriad of manufacturers and coders using the same hardware designs quickly wised up and defeated the effort by creating an identical bootloaders and memory allocation.

A manufacturer may request ALI to provide a custom burn of a ROM confirmation code to limit the loading of unauthorized or incompatible firmware, but to my knowledge the Openbox hardware was never protected with this customization. So the short of it is that their is no way of actually knowing if you own an "Authentic" Openbox. Even if you bought from an Openbox dealer, where are they buying their stock from?

If it works, then it must be real...... :rolleyes: LOL!!!

I didnt load a clone safe fw FYI its C2HS2 11-12-13CMT. If Ive would of loaded such clone one it would of been mentioned.



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RT-Cat

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RT-Cat, I'm a little confused. Several times you mention a "S9 radio." Do you mean an Openbox S9 receiver? The "radio" part keeps throwing me off.

Yeap same here unless its a shortwave radio lol

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:rolleyes:Really now. OK, Openbox S9 receiver that is used to pick up FTA signals from satellites in space.
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And the post listed LNB's. How many people use LNB's with their shortwave radio?
 
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