More DRM Coming?

[tigerfan33]

Didn't something like this statement get passed around to Dish installers a year or so back?? As I recall installers were instructed to hook up with hdmi instead of component. Everyone was worried then about losing or downrez component connection. Whatever happened to that memo to the installers??

 

[kovach]

The day they roll this out to the premium channels is the day I'll switch to DirecTV, being that Dish's HDMI port is so flimsy. Mine doesn't work now and I hesistate to get another 622, which is all they offered me. I'm not going to keep replacing receivers.

 

[TalonDancer]

"Due to the DRM requirements that movie studios have mandated, a small number of customers with older HDTVs will not be able to watch movies with their current set up. This type of copy protection is called HDCP (High Bandwidth Copy Protection)."​

Should read....

"Due to the DRM requirements that movie studios have mandated, a LARGE number of customers with VIP 622's will not be able to watch movies with their current set up. This type of copy protection is called HDCP (High Bandwidth Copy Protection) which requires a functioning/reliable HDMI port that Dish still doesn't know how to build." ​

Talon Dancer

 

[gasman882001]

The day they roll this out to the premium channels is the day I'll switch to DirecTV, being that Dish's HDMI port is so flimsy. Mine doesn't work now and I hesistate to get another 622, which is all they offered me. I'm not going to keep replacing receivers.

I guess I got lucky, my 622 HDMI port has worked fine for years.

 

[Hemi 6.1]

What a Joke! Can't just leave stuff the way it is.
Just another reason not to order a PPV.

 

[hammerdown]

Didn't something like this statement get passed around to Dish installers a year or so back?? As I recall installers were instructed to hook up with hdmi instead of component. Everyone was worried then about losing or downrez component connection. Whatever happened to that memo to the installers??

Ya, I remember that too. And don't ever recall seeing a single post complaining that their component output was downrezzed. Maybe because NO ONE watches ppv. But sure seems like empty threats year after year.

 

[Hemi 6.1]

I guess I got lucky, my 622 HDMI port has worked fine for years.

Mine too, Going on 25 months now.

 

[digiblur]

I read the press release or whatever twice and it sounds like you need to swap your HDMI for a component cable, but component does not carry DRM.

Did they mis-word it or did I mis-read it?

It sounds like some older HDMI/DVI displays are not DRM compliant and they must use component to view the programming (probably at 480p).

Well, I don't do PPV or that other nonsense, but my Sony D50Q should be OK with the HD Fury accepting HDMI from my 211 and feeding component to the projector.

Surprised they haven't blacklisted that HDMI key yet for the Fury.

 

[ET392]

Try for a 722k.

The day they roll this out to the premium channels is the day I'll switch to DirecTV, being that Dish's HDMI port is so flimsy. Mine doesn't work now and I hesistate to get another 622, which is all they offered me. I'm not going to keep replacing receivers.

Aren't most 622's getting replaced with 722's or 722k's these days? I had my 722 replaced because of a hard drive failure and I got a 722k. I even got a free OTA module when I complained that I was loosing the OTA capability I was currently using on the 722.

 

[navychop]

A couple of years? I hear its coming faster then that.

First they will move to 8PSK for all SD, looks like early next year for that to start.

I'm pretty sure the 508 does not do 8PSK. And they aren't moving on eBay. So I guess I have a doorstop in the making. I doubt I'd pay an extra fee for a satellite receiver where it's currently located. I can get by with my two ViP 722 DVRs. Time to copy the programs I want off it, and wedge it into that Closet of Antique Electronics.

 

[Hemi 6.1]

Aren't most 622's getting replaced with 722's or 722k's these days?.

No, but Upgrading is possible, from Free up to $125 for a 722k.
Most Defective 622's are replaced with refurbished 622's.
New customers are giving 722's or 722k's.
I had to swap a 612 and a 301 to get a 722k upgrade for free.
I doubt they will take a 622 and swap it for a 722 and call it even. $50 isn't out of the question though.

 

[ET392]

No, but Upgrading is possible, from Free up to $125 for a 722k.
Most Defective 622's are replaced with refurbished 622's.
New customers are giving 722's or 722k's.
I had to swap a 612 and a 301 to get a 722k upgrade for free.
I doubt they will take a 622 and swap it for a 722 and call it even. $50 isn't out of the question though.

I suppose I got lucky. Maybe because it was replaced on a service call, not a replacment shipped by Dish.

 

[TheKrell]

Consensus around here is much more dire than I understand from Scott's OP. The way I read it, those using a digital connection that cannot handle DHCP will not be able to view certain HD programs. The solution (according to the Dish memo) is to switch to component.

If the component outputs are also going to be switched to 480p at best, then the Dish memo "solution" is no solution at all! How did we get from "HDCP required on a digital cable" to "no HD for older HDTVs" at all?

I don't think the other shoe has dropped. At least not yet!

 

[Hemi 6.1]

I suppose I got lucky. Maybe because it was replaced on a service call, not a replacment shipped by Dish.

Your local retailer might not have had anymore 622's. So you most likly did get lucky.:up

 

[rockymtnhigh]

I've never owned a DISH DVR that had a working HDMI connection, so it doesn't affect me

Yeah, it does, because component video is not HDCP compliant. SO no ppv for you!

 

[Laddyboy]

Guess no one wants the PPV's being ripped with the HD Hauppauge

HD PVR Product overview

The Hauppauge uses component input though so unless E* clamps the component resolution, they will still record as always since there is no HDCP on component.

 

[TheKrell]

OT remarks on 8PSK receivers

I'm pretty sure the 508 does not do 8PSK.

That is correct from my 501 experience. Also the 301 can't do 8PSK unless there are some variants I don't know about. How many 301's are out there?

My formerly or currently owned SD receivers tested with 8PSK transponders:

Works: 311, 625
No way: 4900, 301, 111, 501

 

[mike123abc]

The Hauppauge uses component input though so unless E* clamps the component resolution, they will still record as always since there is no HDCP on component.

The content owners will probably require Dish to auto switch to 480p if no HDCP is present on the HDMI. They will probably have to turn off the component outputs in the protected mode.

Of course there probably is a large set of people using the HD receivers on HD sets with Svideo or composit...

Most people probably will never know if anything changes unless they put a pop up saying that it was downresed. Most have trouble seeing the difference between 480p and 1080i unless they are looking for it.

 

[Smith P.]

That is correct from my 501 experience. Also the 301 can't do 8PSK unless there are some variants I don't know about. How many 301's are out there?

My formerly or currently owned SD receivers tested with 8PSK transponders:

Works: 311, 625
No way: 4900, 301, 111, 501

The rule is simple - if inside of a receiver you see BCM4500 close to sat tuner(s), then it is support 8PSK modulation scheme.

 

[STL]

Most have trouble seeing the difference between 480p and 1080i unless they are looking for it.

That is at least partly due to DISH transmitting such a poor quality 1080i signal much of the time.